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  • #31
    Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
    I'm not sure if one man can generate this amount of conspiracy thinking behind a multi million population. I think you are ascribing him powers that he does not possess, which is the result of your own world view. One of Tajiks being in control of everything, and Pashtuns being the eternal victim of their policies.
    Well, its not just one man. Almost all the Tajik power brokers have the same line of thinking. I mentioned his name because he was referred to as genius. It is fact that Pashtuns are the victims of the occupation and its because of Tajik fascist mindset.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/op...ison.html?_r=0


    False, he says we should not agree to a peace deal. He wants the Taliban to become a political party and join the elections like all others. This is of course against their ideology (democracy is incompatible with Islam) and Pashtun supremacy.
    Provide sources where he says that, allowing them to join the political process is part of the peace process so that's hypocrisy. His mindset is the same as Pakistanis mindset and want the war to continue for as long as possible because it would be his fascist party who benefits. As long as pashtunland is burning, his fascist party will have a higher chance of dominating and his strategy is to prevent peace and if peace comes then separate.

    I'm not sure of this. The ethnic problems can be traced back to Pashtun kings and dictators in the past century. The Pashtun supremacy policy was continued by the now deposed Taliban regime. By not allowing TajiksUzbeksHazaras any government position, distributing land to Pashtuns, etc.
    What are you talking about. The kings spoke your language, wasn't your farsi the lingua franca of Afghanistan during those kings rule. Weren't Tajiks given sanctuary when Soviet troops rolled into Tajikistan.
    The Taliban was a reaction to Salah predecessor Masoud policy of consolidating power for himself and excluding all others. If the Taliban were extreme, it was because the situation they were reacting to was extreme and that situation was created by Masoud.

    The Taliban movement is being used a proxy by Pakistan to safeguard their interests. Do you agree with this?
    There are ISI elements working in Afghansitan just like there are NDS elements working in Pakistan. But claiming that every insurgent fights on Pakistans orders is just pure BS. The insurgency is much bigger than Pakistan. There is no central command and every group has their own emir not to mention many criminals groups fly the Taliban flag.

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    • #32
      These "elections" lacked credibility on the simple basis that there is a US/NATO presence. According to most reports, the election took place in mostly Kabul and Northern Afghanistan. This should have been called the elections for the Mayor of Kabul.

      Karzai will handpick the "winner" because its his men who are in the Independent Election Commission which is already claiming widespread voter fraud.

      This will drag on for many months I think.
      Last edited by Shah-i-Kot; 04-10-2014, 11:16 PM.

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      • #33
        abdullah and ghani are basically the same person anyways, i don't even know why people bother picking sides. the only difference is that abdullahs face looks like he has been exposed to the vacuum of outer space for 30 seconds and ghani looks like a satanic gargoyle.
        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

        Sayyid Qutb

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        • #34
          Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
          abdullah and ghani are basically the same person anyways, i don't even know why people bother picking sides. the only difference is that abdullahs face looks like he has been exposed to the vacuum of outer space for 30 seconds and ghani looks like a satanic gargoyle.
          Lol Abdullah x2 always looked like a frog to me.
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Shah-i-Kot View Post
            These "elections" lacked credibility on the simple basis that there is a US/NATO presence. According to most reports, the election took place in mostly Kabul and Northern Afghanistan. This should have been called the elections for the Mayor of Kabul.

            Karzai will handpick the "winner" because its his men who are in the Independent Election Commission which is already claiming widespread voter fraud.

            This will drag on for many months I think.
            Do 60% of all eligible voters live in Kabul and north Afghanistan?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Shah-i-Kot View Post
              These "elections" lacked credibility on the simple basis that there is a US/NATO presence. According to most reports, the election took place in mostly Kabul and Northern Afghanistan. This should have been called the elections for the Mayor of Kabul.

              Karzai will handpick the "winner" because its his men who are in the Independent Election Commission which is already claiming widespread voter fraud.

              This will drag on for many months I think.
              Which report stated this???

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              • #37
                Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                abdullah and ghani are basically the same person anyways, i don't even know why people bother picking sides. the only difference is that abdullahs face looks like he has been exposed to the vacuum of outer space for 30 seconds and ghani looks like a satanic gargoyle.
                Typical superficial noncense of the Islamist, this is not a miss universe pageant were people are judged by there appearance....You really sound like a teenage girl, complaining about their looks and nothing more, really pathetic.

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                • #38
                  Some sources does show that Abdullah Abdullah is ahead now.

                  But this happened only because of few reason's

                  *Pashtuns areas are affected by insurgency,Hence the fear of getting killed in voting was more compared to non pashtun western region's of Afghanistan

                  *Millions of pashtuns of afghanistan were in Pakistan and most of them didnt returned to vote in Afghanistan

                  *So many pashtun candidate while less tajik.Hence the pashtun vote was divided while the non pashtun vote was divided between only 2-3.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                    Well i am a big fan of Amrullah saleh,he can be compared with late ISI chief Akhtar Abdur rehman.

                    He may be not Pro Pakistan,But believe me alot of problem between Pak-Afghan will be solved if he ever come into power.Since i know he's the person of actions.Similar is expected if Modi come into power in india,we may see Kashmir problem getting solved way too easily.

                    I believe Amrullah saleh in power will be better not only for Afghanistan and its future but pakistan aswell.
                    He has still highly regarde by many government officials. He even has strong ties to his old position through his loyal agents. He actually knows everything much earlier before they reach us and Defense Ministry.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                      Some sources does show that Abdullah Abdullah is ahead now.

                      But this happened only because of few reason's

                      *Pashtuns areas are affected by insurgency,Hence the fear of getting killed in voting was more compared to non pashtun western region's of Afghanistan

                      *Millions of pashtuns of afghanistan were in Pakistan and most of them didnt returned to vote in Afghanistan

                      *So many pashtun candidate while less tajik.Hence the pashtun vote was divided while the non pashtun vote was divided between only 2-3.
                      Let´s be fair. In Pashtun regions alot of rigging have taken place in favour of any of the candidates although millions of people voted but Pashtun votes are devided between Dr. Ghani, Dr. Rassoul and Dr. Abdullah. - Not only millions of Pashtuns live abroad but also millions of non-Pashtuns - unfortuantely, our candidates were not that much based among the society as we thought. It´s lesser about candidates but more about political parties. For example we have a weak position in the north while Jamiat Islami has a large Pashtun base in Kandahar.

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                      • #41
                        It seems that the situation has become normalized again and Mr. Ghani is no more threatend to be disqualified

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                        • #42
                          I dont trust Amrullah Saleh as far as I can spit

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                          • #43
                            Amrullah is a smart politician and he has been several times criticized by nationalist tajiks. Last time when General Taqat and Ismael Yoon called tajiks "haramis" thousand of tajiks took Kabul streets claiming that they are not afghans. But Saleh proudly said "I am an afghan".

                            BTW he speaks very well pashto. Afghanistans main problem is that there is no leader in north or south afghanistan able to bring together all afghans. I fear Rabbani and Mullah Naqeeb were last leaders able to do so. But now they are dead.

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                            • #44
                              ^^Those hatreds started during Rabani and Mosouds administration. they were too power hungary.

                              There is a video where when Masouds comes to Kabul and is addressing his commanders where he declares the rule of Pashtun is dead and the Rule of Tajik has been given birth. Dagarwal posted it on her on PF but I cant seem to find it. Those words are giving people like Salah and Abdullah and their likes the motivation to push that agenda and not let it die.

                              @Admin, the search tool on PF is hard to figure out.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by khushal View Post
                                ^^Those hatreds started during Rabani and Mosouds administration. they were too power hungary.

                                There is a video where when Masouds comes to Kabul and is addressing his commanders where he declares the rule of Pashtun is dead and the Rule of Tajik has been given birth. Dagarwal posted it on her on PF but I cant seem to find it. Those words are giving people like Salah and Abdullah and their likes the motivation to push that agenda and not let it die.

                                @Admin, the search tool on PF is hard to figure out.
                                Ethnic-nationalism started many decades ago. With Abdur Rahman Khan. Most of pashtuns ruled have attempted several times to pashtunize our country. Obviously non pashtuns will not tolerate this. Massoud and Rabbani show up just because pashtunism. There was no tajik nationalism in afghanistan before 1979. Actually non pashtuns did not count. Eveything was under pashtun control. Now when they fight back you should not cry. They are just doing the same sh*t that pashtuns have done for decades.

                                BTW please share that video. I do agree with Massoud: Afghanistan belongs to all afghans not only to pashtuns. If you don't agree please pack your bag and feel free to leave our country. I am glad that pashtunism is dead. I also wish all this tajik nationalism vanish too. And believe me, all of you, tajiks and pashtun nationalist donkeys are threat to our country.
                                Last edited by vinyard80; 04-11-2014, 10:03 PM.

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