So why do you Pashtuns/Afghans hate Punjabis?

[DSM0305]

I am not ignoring the fact but the thing i do know is that Bacha khan rather wanted to stay with India.Not with Pakistan or Afghanistan.

And Pashtun within less than an year were ready to capture 37% of land in Kashmir.

Yes after the durrandline agreement in 1897 Pashtun did wanted to join back Afghanistan and had fought with the british forces but Help from Afghanistan didnt came.

I already explained these point, but you're just repeating them over again. Most intellectuals already know the history and knows why Pakistani Pashtuns act/interpret this way today.

Funny thing is I just had studies regarding peoples psychology. People understand and see things the way they want it to be. Even if I gave you a history book regarding this, you will still view it and interpret it to your liking. That why I don't want to discuss this issue with you, because I already know your answers.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I already explained these point, but you're just repeating them over again. Most intellectuals already know the history and knows why Pakistani Pashtuns act/interpret this way today.

Funny thing is I just had studies regarding peoples psychology. People understand and see things the way they want it to be. Even if I gave you a history book regarding this, you will still view it and interpret it to your liking. That why I don't want to discuss this issue with you, because I already know your answers.

Well i will accept it as my mistake if you could support your claim with a proper source.

Because i believe as long as we don't accept our mistakes and remain in denial mode,we will never succeed.

Probably the reason i always accept my mistake.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Wah,troray oola,paise na pa razi

A simple Question.

Why would Pakistani army need pashtun recruit as cannon fodder?Can't they just recruit 21% more punjabis instead of recruiting pashtuns?

Well you should know in Pakistan the competition to get into army is as much higher as much it is to get into a Medical or engineering college.so the addition of 21% more punjabis into the army won't be a big deal for them.

khplale pukhta ta jawab warkay wrora

[1.4.18. Black & Gold]

wah,troray oola,paise na pa razi

a simple question.

Why would pakistani army need pashtun recruit as cannon fodder?can't they just recruit 21% more punjabis instead of recruiting pashtuns?

Well you should know in pakistan the competition to get into army is as much higher as much it is to get into a medical or engineering college.so the addition of 21% more punjabis into the army won't be a big deal for them.

هو، رښتیا خبره دې وکړه
داسی خلق په امریکا او يورپ کښې ناست دي او په حقيقت باندې نه پوهېږي

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You can say whatever you want RTR jan, as long it helps your traumatized past. I wish you well with your past and your family

Now you're copying my rhetoric because yours is inferior. Keep on playing with shidee mukh halekan Lala lol

[DSM0305]

Well i will accept it as my mistake if you could support your claim with a proper source.

Because i believe as long as we don't accept our mistakes and remain in denial mode,we will never succeed.

Probably the reason i always accept my mistake.

What source do you need and regarding what? Sources are easy achievable but it is your interpretation of the sources that is the problem. To give you an example, you can read your post again and see how you repeated the same thing, even though I had just answered it.

Well, khuday pa aman. I will end this discussion now, I have to go to work early morning.

[DSM0305]

Now you're copying my rhetoric because yours is inferior. Keep on playing with shidee mukh halekan Lala lol

Whatever you say khuday dee mareezee de kha ki, good bye

[Pakwatan]

I see you guys are being very diplomatic in your answers. Bringing in politics and history is great and all, but I am talking about the innate hatred.

I have been to Peshawar and even the city Pashtuns are called Punjabis by the rural Pashtuns.

lol

[1.4.18. Black & Gold]

I see you guys are being very diplomatic in your answers. Bringing in politics and history is great and all, but I am talking about the innate hatred.

I have been to Peshawar and even the city Pashtuns are called Punjabis by the rural Pashtuns.

lol

دا يوه ډېره غټه ستنزه ده
پاک وطن وروره، تاسو فکر کوئ چی ټول افغانان له پنجابيانو سره نفرت کوي خو دا خبره رښتيا نه ده

په دغه ټولانه کښې ډېر سپک خلق شته دي چی هر وقت ښکنزلې کوي خو مونږ ته صحيح پتا نه ده چی دوی په
اصل کښې افغانان دي که نه

Pakwatan brother i have already answered you in pashto but since you are punjabi i will translate it for you in english now but i didn't want to speak english on this forum since its pashtun forum.

i said in original post quoted above:

this is a very big problem. Pakwatan brother, you think that all afghans hate punjabis but this is not true.
on this forum there are many cheap people who use all the time bad language but we don't know if they are actually afghans or not.

now regarding rural pashtuns calling city pashtuns as punjabis:

traditionally pashtuns of pakistan used to recognize only two kinds of people who were pashtuns and punjabis so when pashtuns went to the cities and started adopting new culture or losing their rural culture, the village people started calling them as punjabi to say that they were no longer pashtun. it was not meant as an insult to punjabis, rather it means that the city people are no longer pashtun and so they became punjabis in the eyes of the rural people who were true pashtuns and they didn't know names of other groups apart from pashtuns and punjabis. if you meet a pashtun from pakistan, he will ask you: pakhun ye ka punjabi? meaning are you pashun or punjabi?

[کیش]

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[Admin Khan]

I see you guys are being very diplomatic in your answers. Bringing in politics and history is great and all, but I am talking about the innate hatred.

I have been to Peshawar and even the city Pashtuns are called Punjabis by the rural Pashtuns.

lol

[MENTION=13640]Pakwatan[/MENTION]
As [MENTION=8995]DSM0305[/MENTION] hinted at, if you already believe that "Afghans have innate hatred"; then no amount of responses will change your stance. However, for the 5th time, claiming "Pashtuns have innate hatred for Punjabis"; is no different than the "Punjabis hate Afghans/Pashtuns" rhetorics. What is the common denominator between the two arguments? Both are spewed by uneducated imbeciles.

Even if the entire population of Afghanistan in a survey mentions that they do not hate Punjabis, it still won't change your mind, since your brainwashed and conditioned. It will take you quite a while to realize that the ground realities are as following:

a)Pashtuns of both sides of the line are getting butchered, including Sindhis and Punjabis.
b)No body has time in both nations to be hating one another, they are busy making their livelihoods. The *hate* game usually comes from ex-pat Punjabis or ex-pat Pashtuns living abroad, that have nothing to do with ground realities.
c)When Afghans back home usually criticize Pakistan, it is the government and its foreign policies that usually involve sponsoring terrorism. It is a known fact that Pakistan exports terrorism in the region. Whether it be China, India, Afghanistan, or the USA, most of these terrorists are trained in Pakistan, under the umbrella of Pakistani institutions. There are plenty of documentaries outlining the madrassas where young Pashtun children are being trained to become suicide bombers; Do you have a problem with Pashtuns/Afghans criticizing the government of Pakistan for such findings? You, yourself, condemned the Pakistani Army for what it was doing in a thread of yours.

"In 2009, Pakistani President Asif Zardari admitted at a conference in Islamabad that Pakistan had, in the past created terrorist groups as a tool for its geostrategic agenda"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state_sponsored_terrorism

My advice to you is always be logical, and don't be paranoid. Always remember that a true Muslim would never have *hatred* towards another fellow, innocent Muslim, and avoid being 'proud', but don't be embarrassed of who you are. I know plenty Pakistanis in NY, who usually introduce themselves as Indians cause they are embarrassed of being Pakistani. Always be humble.

Best,

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Whatever you say khuday dee mareezee de kha ki, good bye

Khudai dar bande da halekan parasti marez legee. LOL

Pa makha di kha

[EvilPakistani]

1-No one can become PM of pakistan without getting enough seats from punjab i.e punjab decides next PM.
1- Army is 70-80% punjabi. Punjabi Peasants were supposed to be busy in the agriculture while martial cultures like pashtuns and balochs, who do not have so much fertile lands, were supposed to be given maximum jobs in army. But army is true power in pakistan and punjabis insist on maintaining the majority. Pashtuns in army are lackeys of punjabis.
3- Beurocracy was once dominated by indian mohajirs in 50s but hindkowan ayub khan gave the chance to punjabis to shine. Beurocracy totally is dominated by punjabis. Same is case with judiciary.
4- Most of the industries by governament were installed in punjab even though relatively dry and barren KPK and balochistan need industries. The successful and flourishing free tax industrial zone of gadoon was destroyed by punjab's nawaz by enforcing heavy taxes on it.
5- As urdu comes natural to you punjabis, so all the urdu media, literature is dominated and controlled by you punjabis.
6- Punjabis are mostly bareilvis, this school of thought has become mainstream version of islam in pakistan while deobandis who are mostly pashtuns, are marginalized as khwarij and terrorists.

If you dont take the responsibility for actions of your qaum, then stop speaking on behalf of your qaum.

1. That's because Punjab has the biggest population, there are states in america which Presidential candidates have to win to get elected because they have more electoral votes.
2.The army is 45% Punjabi and 35% Pashtun.
4.f the government.
5.Not true, most Urdu writers are muhajirs.
6.Deobadism was imported from Saudi Arabia.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

6.Deobadism was imported from Saudi Arabia.

nope, India

[Admin Khan]

1. That's because Punjab has the biggest population, there are states in america which Presidential candidates have to win to get elected because they have more electoral votes.
2.The army is 45% Punjabi and 35% Pashtun.
4.f the government.
5.Not true, most Urdu writers are muhajirs.
6.Deobadism was imported from Saudi Arabia.

Hey Evil,

Can you post a source that shows the ethnic make up of the Pakistani Army. I'm curious.

Best,