To Afghans

[Bost Bastan News]

Vinyard isn't a Pashtun. One can distinguish a tajik from Pashtuns, simply by his political views. This guy have by far proven that he is tajik. When I was talking to him, it was more or less an interrogation on his political views. I hoped he will show some sign of Pashtun in him, but throughout the conversation he was supporting the exact same thing Tajiks would have supported.

Just because he doesn´t support your ideology doesn´t mean he is no Pashtun. There are many millions of Pashtuns who doesn´t support your ideology. Millions of Pashtuns support Pakistan and hundred thousands if not millions of Pashtuns support Tajik leaders. Are they Pashtuns or not? How you would define Taliban? But let´s keep on that that Vinyard is a ''Kabalay parsiban'' (who himself wrote he doesn´t speak Pashto), how do you define him? A Pashtun or a ''Kabalay half-breed parsiban''? What makes a Pashtun to a Pashtun if not his culture and language as the two only factors of identity? How you call Pashtun kids who have lost their parents by are grown by non-Pashtun people, adopting their culture and language? I think Vinyard is this guy who owns ''United Afghans and Indians against Porkistan''. Of course Vinyard would be a racist if that would be the case.

[vinyard80]

Just because he doesn´t support your ideology doesn´t mean he is no Pashtun. There are many millions of Pashtuns who doesn´t support your ideology. Millions of Pashtuns support Pakistan and hundred thousands if not millions of Pashtuns support Tajik leaders. Are they Pashtuns or not? How you would define Taliban? But let´s keep on that that Vinyard is a ''Kabalay parsiban'' (who himself wrote he doesn´t speak Pashto), how do you define him? A Pashtun or a ''Kabalay half-breed parsiban''? What makes a Pashtun to a Pashtun if not his culture and language as the two only factors of identity? How you call Pashtun kids who have lost their parents by are grown by non-Pashtun people, adopting their culture and language? I think Vinyard is this guy who owns ''United Afghans and Indians against Porkistan''. Of course Vinyard would be a racist if that would be the case.

My dad was born in Deh Mazang to a sunni pashtun family. My dads family are originally from Kunar. We are mohmands. My mom is a shia aymaq from anar darra-zakin in farah.

[DSM0305]

We, pashtuns, as "big brothers" should take first step and bring together all our countrymen/women regardless their ethnic or religious background.

He wanted Pashtuns to get blamed for all the miseries in Afghanistan, and then afterward he wanted us to surrender.

Since pashtuns claim to be "real afghans", that makes us "big brothers". We as "real afghans" should take the first step.

Notice the tone and the sarcasm he is using. While he is trying to persuade us to get blamed.

We have an ongoing and unfinished war in afghanistan and this guy wanna start another one against pakistani and iranian states in order to take back an empire founded by ahmad shah durrani (which by the way collapsed in few decades after his death).

Notice how he is misinterpreted the entire post. One our brother simply said that he wanted unity amongst Pashtuns. Suddenly this guy misinterpreted it to war against 2 countries and exaggerate it (basically exaggerating the entire post).
Also he mentions Ahmad shah Baba without anyone mentioning him. You probably wonder why. It is simply, to degrade a Pashtun leader. Take notice to how he puts him in a negative light.

[Loy Afghanistan]

How would you define those who can not speak Pashtu or don´t know Pashtunwali like this guy Vinyard?

We are behind computers. It is impossible to tell who is who. But I know for sure, those who want unity, 100 % independence from all outsiders and prosperity for Pashtun people and Pashtun identity are Pashtuns, why would a Pashtun not want this? If he is brainwashed and praise another nationality then sad, one lost soul, nothing to do about that. But like you said, who knows, maybe you are a panjab black like the night, trolling around on Pashtunforums like Vinyard tajik player.

[Bost Bastan News]

He wanted Pashtuns to get blamed for all the miseries in Afghanistan, and then afterward he wanted us to surrender.



Notice the tone and the sarcasm he is using. While he is trying to persuade us to get blamed.




Notice how he is misinterpreted the entire post. One our brother simply said that he wanted unity amongst Pashtuns. Suddenly this guy misinterpreted it to war against 2 countries and exaggerate it (basically exaggerating the entire post).
Also he mentions Ahmad shah Baba without anyone mentioning him. You probably wonder why. It is simply, to degrade a Pashtun leader. Take notice to how he puts him in a negative light.

He just named a fact historically provable. It has nothing to do with downgrading. You need to learn how to face facts and leave your emtions. Sometimes facts are bitter but if we don´t accept them we keep that childish fools we are today and we won´t improve our own society or mentality.

[DSM0305]

Just because he doesn´t support your ideology doesn´t mean he is no Pashtun. There are many millions of Pashtuns who doesn´t support your ideology. Millions of Pashtuns support Pakistan and hundred thousands if not millions of Pashtuns support Tajik leaders. Are they Pashtuns or not? How you would define Taliban? But let´s keep on that that Vinyard is a ''Kabalay parsiban'' (who himself wrote he doesn´t speak Pashto), how do you define him? A Pashtun or a ''Kabalay half-breed parsiban''? What makes a Pashtun to a Pashtun if not his culture and language as the two only factors of identity? How you call Pashtun kids who have lost their parents by are grown by non-Pashtun people, adopting their culture and language? I think Vinyard is this guy who owns ''United Afghans and Indians against Porkistan''. Of course Vinyard would be a racist if that would be the case.

It has nothing to do with ''supporting ideology''. A person can have as different views as he want, but there is a line where people stays within.

Lets me give you an example. You would never see an atheist American support Al-queda. Same thing goes for everything else. Basically you cannot be something that you work against.

How can he be considered a Pasthun if every post he made goes against the interest of Pashtuns, and ''coincidently'' in the support of Tajiks. Try to read his post and tell me that those post aren't in favor of Tajiks.

[vinyard80]

He wanted Pashtuns to get blamed for all the miseries in Afghanistan, and then afterward he wanted us to surrender.



Notice the tone and the sarcasm he is using. While he is trying to persuade us to get blamed.




Notice how he is misinterpreted the entire post. One our brother simply said that he wanted unity amongst Pashtuns. Suddenly this guy misinterpreted it to war against 2 countries and exaggerate it (basically exaggerating the entire post).
Also he mentions Ahmad shah Baba without anyone mentioning him. You probably wonder why. It is simply, to degrade a Pashtun leader. Take notice to how he puts him in a negative light.

You are such a smart and clever guy. Afghan Police should hire you. You are the best catching criminals. Keep it up lol

BTW never said pashtuns are guilty of everything. Every ethnic group in afghanistan has suffered in afghanistan... but pashtuns a bit more. I am talking about unity, brotherhood and patriotism. My statements don't use to suit with tajikism.

You are a liar. Shame on you. Shame, shame, shame.

[DSM0305]

He just named a fact historically provable. It has nothing to do with downgrading. You need to learn how to face facts and leave your emtions. Sometimes facts are bitter but if we don´t accept them we keep that childish fools we are today and we won´t improve our own society or mentality.

Why would he mention so called ''fact'' if the topic they were talking about had nothing to do with it.

[Bost Bastan News]

We are behind computers. It is impossible to tell who is who. But I know for sure, those who want unity, 100 % independence from all outsiders and prosperity for Pashtun people and Pashtun identity are Pashtuns, why would a Pashtun not want this? If he is brainwashed and praise another nationality then sad, one lost soul, nothing to do about that. But like you said, who knows, maybe you are a panjab black like the night, trolling around on Pashtunforums like Vinyard tajik player.

You are right. We don´t know who is who but the same could be said about you. Just look how many racist statements Gadoonwal, Khalji and other Users here do and the Admins ignore them just because they are ''Pashtuns'' (what kind of Pashtuns are these people by using vulgar words?). These people aren´t even from us. They not only insulting Farsiwans, Uzbeks and Hazaras and making dirty lies about them but also insult Afghan Pashtuns. If a Pakistani comes here and start to insult Pashtuns the same way he would be banned. Politically there are three options. Option one is the unification of Afghanstan which has priority. Option two is we all leave that ****ing country destroyed, partitioned, bombed to a hole or whatever. Option three is the unification of Pashtuns through Pashtun nationalism. The third option is the most destructive one because fools and vulgar people like Gadoonwal will leading it and push Pashtuns more into the role of criminals. We are accusing Pakistan to oppress our voices and rights and at the same time we want to oppress Farsiwans like Vinyard in Afghanistan because of their own opinions. This is hypocrisy. But to be honest, Pashtunism is a failed mechanism. Why? Because a farmer who lives in his village, never have been outside his village in his whole life doesn´t even know where Pakistan, Kabul, Peshawar, London lies. He never ever heart about Loy Pashtunistan. Farmers make the bulk of Pashtun nations. Another problem is we live in a multi-ethnical state, be it Pakistan or Afghanistan. In Pakistan we are a minority and highly pro-Pakistan, except some radical groups in FATA, in Afghanistan we are the largest minority but even if we represents 60% of the population still a sizable number of non-Pashtuns exist. The only people who really think about Loy Pashtunistan are Pashto-speaking Pashtuns educated in the West who don´t have any saying in Afghanistan or Pakistan and of course Pashtun leaders in Kabul but who are self-claimed Pashtuns but using Dari and Dari culture under non-Pashtun eyes. This is laughable, a joke, not worth to take these people serious when they talk about Greater Pashtunistan or Greater Afghanistan. These sort of ''Pashtuns'' are the most worst of all nationalists because they always used Pashtun masses, specially innocent poor and uneducated Pashtun farmers, to reach their own political goals and enrich themselves with the blood of Pashtuns. By catching Pashtuns and holding themselves on power they always used that self-claimed Pashtun cards and Pashtunistan issue. Now you decide yourself if you still want such a ''unity'' when Pashtuns will with 100% certainty suffer. How should such a unity looks like? How should it be managed? How to finance the 50 Million Pashtuns and the 15Mio - 25 Mio non-Pashtuns? Afghania is without Panjab and the money and industrial know-how coming from there nothing, just a stoney mountain, dry, cold and not really pleasent to live there. Same can be said about Afghanistan. Pashtun regions can be described as desert/dust. All the oil and gas sources can be found in the north. The copper mines are found in regions inhabitet by non-Pashtuns. Rivers providing us with life, our households and farming lands coming from their regions or Iran. Iran has closer ties to them than to us. We just lack everything at the moment and in the next 3-5 decades things won´t change much. That´s also the reason why we are doing everything to prevent Abdullah or any Tajik to become president. Afghanistan, we Pashtuns, are not ready for that, not yet!

[Bost Bastan News]

It has nothing to do with ''supporting ideology''. A person can have as different views as he want, but there is a line where people stays within.

Lets me give you an example. You would never see an atheist American support Al-queda. Same thing goes for everything else. Basically you cannot be something that you work against.

How can he be considered a Pasthun if every post he made goes against the interest of Pashtuns, and ''coincidently'' in the support of Tajiks. Try to read his post and tell me that those post aren't in favor of Tajiks.

Maybe you feel he is more pro-Farsiwan because he counter-attacks the remarks of these racist Pakistanis called Gadoonwal, Khushal, Khalji ... very easy to explain. You get burned inside your body when a Panjabi or Farsiwan would insult you as well. You are right when you say he is against unity of Pashtuns because he is supporting only the tribes within Afghanistan but not those of Pakistan but seriously, aren´t the Pakistani ''Pashtuns'' the ones who rejected us, who killed our brothers, who are pro-Paistan? What should we do when you under the flag of Pakistan kill our people, burn our schools, damage our hospitals ...? On the one hand you talk about Unity and on the other hand you insulting us. Not only us but also our other tribes we live with for centuries. That´s normal. After so long time we developed a WE-Feeling instead of We- and You-Feeling. For us a Hazara is equal toa Pashtun than a Pakistani.

[DSM0305]

Maybe you feel he is more pro-Farsiwan because he counter-attacks the remarks of these racist Pakistanis called Gadoonwal, Khushal, Khalji ... very easy to explain. You get burned inside your body when a Panjabi or Farsiwan would insult you as well. You are right when you say he is against unity of Pashtuns because he is supporting only the tribes within Afghanistan but not those of Pakistan but seriously, aren´t the Pakistani ''Pashtuns'' the ones who rejected us, who killed our brothers, who are pro-Paistan? What should we do when you under the flag of Pakistan kill our people, burn our schools, damage our hospitals ...? On the one hand you talk about Unity and on the other hand you insulting us. Not only us but also our other tribes we live with for centuries. That´s normal. After so long time we developed a WE-Feeling instead of We- and You-Feeling. For us a Hazara is equal toa Pashtun than a Pakistani.

I don't feel that he is ''pro-farsiwans'' when he attacks Pakistanis, I couldn't care less about that because they do the same.

The reason I think he is a Tajik and ''pro-farsiwans'' comes from the fact on how he interpreted historical event regarding Afghanistan, and his political views on the current situation of Afghanistan.

Second of all where did I ever insult any tribe of Afghanistan. Be so kind and show where, or stop putting words in my mouth.

One more thing stop changing the subject. We were talking about vinyards credibility and not about Pakistan and whatsoever.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

pashtun is the 2nd largest ethnic group in pakistan.
We are 25% of the total papulation.
We have millions of pashtun in karachis and they tookover businesses from mahajrs.
The karachi market now dominated by pashtuns.
In future we will move these pashtuns to gwadar-baluchistan and declare our own country with pashtun majority live side by side with baluchis in peace and in brotherhood.

out of 19-20million population in karachi,7million of them are Pashtuns.

Balochistan is already almost pashtun majority and so does the KPK and FATA.

Balochistan+KPK+FATA=More than 60-65% of Pakistan land will be under pashtuns.

Pashtuns are getting higher and higher say in Pakistani politics.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

And yes I request Everyone to Please stop insulting anyone

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.Instead of accusing them and using abusive language.

I apologize and even accept my mistake since i know i could be wrong aswell.

[Loy Afghanistan]

You are right. We don´t know who is who but the same could be said about you. Just look how many racist statements Gadoonwal, Khalji and other Users here do and the Admins ignore them just because they are ''Pashtuns'' (what kind of Pashtuns are these people by using vulgar words?). These people aren´t even from us. They not only insulting Farsiwans, Uzbeks and Hazaras and making dirty lies about them but also insult Afghan Pashtuns. If a Pakistani comes here and start to insult Pashtuns the same way he would be banned. Politically there are three options. Option one is the unification of Afghanstan which has priority. Option two is we all leave that ****ing country destroyed, partitioned, bombed to a hole or whatever. Option three is the unification of Pashtuns through Pashtun nationalism. The third option is the most destructive one because fools and vulgar people like Gadoonwal will leading it and push Pashtuns more into the role of criminals. We are accusing Pakistan to oppress our voices and rights and at the same time we want to oppress Farsiwans like Vinyard in Afghanistan because of their own opinions. This is hypocrisy. But to be honest, Pashtunism is a failed mechanism. Why? Because a farmer who lives in his village, never have been outside his village in his whole life doesn´t even know where Pakistan, Kabul, Peshawar, London lies. He never ever heart about Loy Pashtunistan. Farmers make the bulk of Pashtun nations. Another problem is we live in a multi-ethnical state, be it Pakistan or Afghanistan. In Pakistan we are a minority and highly pro-Pakistan, except some radical groups in FATA, in Afghanistan we are the largest minority but even if we represents 60% of the population still a sizable number of non-Pashtuns exist. The only people who really think about Loy Pashtunistan are Pashto-speaking Pashtuns educated in the West who don´t have any saying in Afghanistan or Pakistan and of course Pashtun leaders in Kabul but who are self-claimed Pashtuns but using Dari and Dari culture under non-Pashtun eyes. This is laughable, a joke, not worth to take these people serious when they talk about Greater Pashtunistan or Greater Afghanistan. These sort of ''Pashtuns'' are the most worst of all nationalists because they always used Pashtun masses, specially innocent poor and uneducated Pashtun farmers, to reach their own political goals and enrich themselves with the blood of Pashtuns. By catching Pashtuns and holding themselves on power they always used that self-claimed Pashtun cards and Pashtunistan issue. Now you decide yourself if you still want such a ''unity'' when Pashtuns will with 100% certainty suffer. How should such a unity looks like? How should it be managed? How to finance the 50 Million Pashtuns and the 15Mio - 25 Mio non-Pashtuns? Afghania is without Panjab and the money and industrial know-how coming from there nothing, just a stoney mountain, dry, cold and not really pleasent to live there. Same can be said about Afghanistan. Pashtun regions can be described as desert/dust. All the oil and gas sources can be found in the north. The copper mines are found in regions inhabitet by non-Pashtuns. Rivers providing us with life, our households and farming lands coming from their regions or Iran. Iran has closer ties to them than to us. We just lack everything at the moment and in the next 3-5 decades things won´t change much. That´s also the reason why we are doing everything to prevent Abdullah or any Tajik to become president. Afghanistan, we Pashtuns, are not ready for that, not yet!

Your lack of Afghan geography shows the true face of your Intel on Afghanistan. I bet you get all of those Intel from western side. Have you been ands seen how Afghanistan is? Only because the infrastructure is destroyed otherwise you can grow seeds in all Afghanistan like before.

If you knew something about Afghanistan economy pre war, it was we who were exporters of fruits, meat, horses, camels, nuts etc to our neighbouring countries. Of course if there is no stability and foreign influence there will be. To get rid of foreign influence we need unity. China is one country who do business without meddling in others "affairs".

[Badlun]

Have you ever been to Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Have you visited Middle East? How was your experience there. I have been there and have found people of the same language and culture with different national identities.

Let us find converging points between Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns not diverging ones. Both the types of Pashtuns are one ethnically, culturally,socially, linguistically, historically, anthropologically but not politically. Let us recognize this fact and the matter is resolved.

A Pashtun is Pashtun by race, culture, language and society not by country. A Pashtun born in USA is a US citizen not an Afghan or Pakistani but he is Pashtun. A Pashtun born in Pakistan is Pashtun but not Afghan(politically or nationally).

Pashtuns in both Afghanistan and Pakistan should further streghten their linguistic, cultural, commercial ties and have political say in both the countries.

The reality is that Afghan Pashtuns do not seriously try to own Pakistani Pashtuns politically and Pakistani Pashtuns do not want to be citizens of a war torn Afghanistan.