Arabic should become the single official national language in all muslim countries

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

[MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION],

If people really believe in this cause, they can make it possible through a gradual incremental process. Obviously forcing people or countries never works.

First of all, we need a large community of people across the globe who really see the benefits of Arabic being the lingua franca of the Muslim world. Once we have a strong community, we can slowly try to influence governments to change their education policy by introducing Arabic at elementary level.

Lets take Afghanistan as an example: suppose we have a real government and not a puppet regime.

The government can make Arabic a compulsary subject for students in the future. But first, they need to have sufficient educators and material.

This is impossible right now because we don't have enough teachers who can teach Arabic. Our Mullahs who are suppose to be experts in Arabic can't even pronounce Al Basmallah properly.

So we have to start from the bottom. That is, first, we have to change the curriculum in madrassa's and introduce new Arabic courses at Darul Malimeen and other institutions.

The preparation process will take at least a decade. Once all the necessary steps are taken to prepare educators/instructors and the books, then we can slowly start introducing Arabic as a course at elementary level in schools by running pilots first to see how it works out. Based on the results of the pilot we can make adjustments and improve the program to get better results. Then we can start implementing it gradually across the nation.

Rigorous require caution, patience and vision.

[Badlun]

@Shamlawar
As I said earlier there is no doubt that Arabic is an important international language and the language of Quran and other religious texts and even non Muslims are learning it so why not Muslims.

But I do not see Arabic as an official language in countries where it is not spoken. How Turkey, Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asian republics etc will replace its own official languages with Arabic or make it a second official language. For me it is impossible in the coming few centuries.

Apart from Saudi, Egypt and may be Iraq or Syria all other Arab speaking countries do not have that much global importance. Most of Arabic speaking countries also have other languages mainly French and English. Even now I have seen that even Arabs themselves prefer English to Arabic as in UAE you do not need to speak Arabic. Every body is adamant on speaking English.

Arabic also lacks its competence to have literature of modern science and technology as Arabs are not interested in such fields. All research journals are published in English, French, Spanish etc. The only important literature you find exclusively in Arabic is Quran, religious texts and some poetry.

[Badlun]

First of all don't get your knickers in a twist, secondly; I love the way you enter your posts with such 'facts' and then proceed onto your ridiculous dreams/conclusions - the last time we heard your 'facts' you were telling us that the only way forward for Muslims is to convert to Catholism *LOL*
Now you are telling us that 58 countries need to be able to speak modern Arabic and turn it into some sort of mother tongue in order to learn about Islam? What a pathetic assumption, if you were following the post it's about Muslims learning Quranic Arabic to a level were they can study Islam and understand what they are reading/praying, I think more people are taking Islam seriously many more people are learning Arabic so sorry to disappoint you but take a look around. Later

khoga margarya khkareegi dasey che da swat ye zaka da swat khalak azmari ta manzareh wayee kho na pohegam che waley da swat da khalko ghondey zrha de parakha na dey , pa warho warho khabaro qaregey. larh sha da swat da sind pa gharha kena yaw ghupa pakey uwaha aw ma ta uwaya walambaaa! hasey gap lagom khapa nashey rora

I never never said that the way forward for Muslims is conversion to Catholicism. I was referring to a scholar of Kosovo in that thread as he said that Muslims should convert . My suggestion was that if Muslim continue to be Wahabis and Salafis then the fear is that what that scholar says may not become a reality.

Just to share with you that I have seen some Muslims especially Pakistanis who change the category of Islam in their passports to catholicism as they say they face a lot of problems being Muslims. Also I have seen few changing their Muslim names.

Any religion for me is never a way forward. All religions are way backward if not taken only for their moral and spiritual teachings. Catholicism has gone through its stages and now it is only a spiritual force nothing else. Islam is waiting for this stage yet.

The thread is not only that Arabic is to be learnt for Quran and prayers but to make it official language of Muslim countries.

[randolph85]

Good idea but practically impossible considering the size and diversity of the ummah today. Arabic would have to have a practical application in everyday life besides religion for it to be attractive like english is today.

[khushal]

I think Arabic should be the linga franca of the Muslim world; in the same way English is the linga franca of the West.

of the west? English is the linga franca of almost all the planetincluding the muslim world.

[badmash_khel]

In my opinion Arabic should be the language of learning about Islam.

English should be the language of sciences and technology

Pashto should remain the language of daily conversation, culture,

The Qur'an says we have been created into different nations so we may recognize each other. We don't have to give up our language which has a beauty of its own.

Only Quranic Arabic (fusha) should be compulsory for the purpose of learning about Islam use of Arabic should be restricted to study of Islam. If Arabic is used for daily conversation then soon it will become polluted with slang words and change so much from Quranic Arabic that people will not be able to understand Quran as it has happened with Arab speaking countries who don't understand each other.

[Toramana]

When Arabs start creating knowledge like Westerners are creating e.g. in English then it can become a lingua franca. Right now, the are eating with petro-dollars and filling commodes. Even the thought of adopting Arabic is disgusting. It will be huge cultural and mental drag on the rest of the Muslims.

As for Mazareh, this Desi is in identity crisis living in his Birminghm ghetto and by associating with camel jockeys is trying to gain some importance.

[Kushan Prince]

No it shouldn't IMO. The Quran was only written in Arabic because it was the prophets language. The original bible was written in Aramaic yet today its recited in English. (Don't tell me because its been corrupt I know it is) unless you are a mullah or a really devot Muslim, it would be better but not everyone will be interested. Also the Quran was written in classical Arabic so its hard to translate some of the verses in today's modern.

[Manzareh]

When Arabs start creating knowledge like Westerners are creating e.g. in English then it can become a lingua franca. Right now, the are eating with petro-dollars and filling commodes. Even the thought of adopting Arabic is disgusting. It will be huge cultural and mental drag on the rest of the Muslims.

As for Mazareh, this Desi is in identity crisis living in his Birminghm ghetto and by associating with camel jockeys is trying to gain some importance.

You would have us believe you are a successful millionaire up in some mansion on a hill drinking wine in a golden cup with some classical music in the background, ahhh the internet dreamers living out their fantasy in the virtual world as usual lol. You ridiculous old man, you are a failure in life compared to the likes of a winner like me - if you hadn't spent your entire life arguing and bitching about Arabs and Muslims maybe you wouldn't suddenly wake up a mid life crisis and realize you have no value in the world other than making ridiculous youtube videos and copy/pasting your nonsense. carry on grovelling at the feet of your masters da angrez bachiya lol - your innocent sufi image is down the drain mate, now you are nothing more than a washed up confused individual that has still not found his place in religion or society.

[khushal]

If Arabic is used for daily conversation then soon it will become polluted with slang words and change so much from Quranic Arabic that people will not be able to understand Quran as it has happened with Arab speaking countries who don't understand each other.

Arab speaking countries do understand each other. The purpose of having a lingua franca is to ease communication. The irony here is that English is basically the lingua franca of the EU even though the British are not a part of it.

Arabic was the lingua franca of the Middle East and North Africa, Today, English is on par with Arabic in that region. Persian and Urdu were the lingua franca of South and Central Asia. Today, you have Russian dominating Central Asia and English dominating South Asia.

There is no evidence that Arabic is progressing, on the contrary, its declining. English is progressing in all parts of the world. English speaking schools are being built teaching variety of curriculum like math and science while Arabic schools don't have a diverse curriculum so they are not attractive not to mention that one can get jobs having English speaking skills.

What the Arabs need to do is offer citizenship opportunity to highly skilled people like the West is. The Arabs can easily create an America that would attract the "brains" of the world and progress their own language not to mention advance their own society. When that happens, people would have an incentive to learn Arabic because it would offer them jobs and an opportunity for people to migrate.

South and Central Asia can do the same thing. The reason that the Brits created Pakistan was to prevent a south and central Asian unification.

@Shamlawar is a moron. Making Arabic a lingua franca on the purpose of pronouncing the kilima correctly is flawed since the Arabs themselves cant even pronounce it correctly since their language has changed over time from its original form which happens with all languages. You must offer incentives and the Arab govs of today are too busy enslaving their own people than advancing their own people.

[Khostai]

I like pizza

[MostafaM]

...it would have made alot of sense if the Quran was revealed in Pashto or Tzotzil to the Arabian people.

Language has no meaning.
The Quran itself says that it´s words and meaning is only understandable to those who´s hearts have been opened. Even the best Arabic speaker wouldn´t be able to comprehend the meaning of the words if God wouldn´t want it.

So, chillax, Arab Lovers and Salafi spies......I like pizza, too.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

When Arabs start creating knowledge like Westerners are creating e.g. in English then it can become a lingua franca. Right now, the are eating with petro-dollars and filling commodes. Even the thought of adopting Arabic is disgusting. It will be huge cultural and mental drag on the rest of the Muslims.

As for Mazareh, this Desi is in identity crisis living in his Birminghm ghetto and by associating with camel jockeys is trying to gain some importance.

Fact: Most of the Historically documented books of Knowledge in the Muslim World has been in Arabic.

[Badlun]

Fact: Most of the Historically documented books of Knowledge in the Muslim World has been in Arabic.

Were most of these not translations from Greek and other languages?

And again many centuries passed that those books were written or translated. What Arabs are doing for the last say 1000 years?

Can you enlist few original contributions of Arabs in science, technology, poetry(post Islam), novels, drama, sculpture, paintings, music, dance, philosophy, sociology(except Ibne Khaldun whose background was also Andalusian), mathematics and other branches of knowledge?

I am talking of pure Arabs, not Persians, Central Asians, Africans, Barbars etc.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Were most of these not translations from Greek and other languages?

And again many centuries passed that those books were written or translated. What Arabs are doing for the last say 1000 years?

Can you enlist few original contributions of Arabs in science, technology, poetry(post Islam), novels, drama, sculpture, paintings, music, dance, philosophy, sociology(except Ibne Khaldun whose background was also Andalusian), mathematics and other branches of knowledge?

I am talking of pure Arabs, not Persians, Central Asians, Africans, Barbars etc.

Sure many were translations of texts from other languages; but they were in Arabic primarily none the less. Toramana's argument was that there's a lack of this. And I agree there is a lack of this in the current day; but we should not ignore or undermine the legacy that is there and that we can use it as our roots to reascend beyond the English-centered world.

If we have a new vision a new consciousness about our heritage and our future. We can Outshadow the English-speaking world and not be at their mercy.

Ibn Khaldun wrote in Arabic, this isn't about Arabs or Arabian people but the Arabic LANGUAGE.