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Northern Iranians are not actually Persian and barely Iranian. Most are Persianised Azeri Turks, southern Caucasians like Armenians and Georgians (many of whom were brought to Iran as sex slaves) or mixed Iranian/Caucasian groups like Mazandarani or Gilani.Last edited by Daryeh; 04-19-2017, 06:30 PM.
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From Teheran northwards Iran is mainly Azeri and Kurd. Mazandarani and Gilani people consider themselves Persians despite being a different tribe. I have many friends from Sari and Nekaa. They f*cking hate people from Semnan lolOriginally posted by Daryeh View PostNorthern Iranians are not actually Persian and barely Iranian. Most are just Persianised Azeri Turks, southern Caucasians like Armenians and Georgians (many of whom were brought to Iran as sex slaves) or mixed Iranian/Caucasian groups like Mazandarani or Gilani.
Azeris are Turkifized Iranians. Most of them have light skin. Real Turks look like Hazaras, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Uygurs, and so on. Still Turks from Tabriz are not that bad. Persians from Tehran are embarrassing arrogant white wannabes."For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "
-Ferdowsi.
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Yes... it's true that real Turks are in Central Asia but they're still classified as Turkic people though, as are Turkish people. They speak a Turkic language, although they are genetically and culturally Caucasian, closely related to Armenians, with much genetic and cultural influence from Persia which historically ruled over the Caucasus.Originally posted by Firdousi View PostFrom Teheran northwards Iran is mainly Azeri and Kurd. Mazandarani and Gilani people consider themselves Persians despite being a different tribe. I have many friends from Sari and Nekaa. They f*cking hate people from Semnan lol
Azeris are Turkifized Iranians. Most of them have light skin. Real Turks look like Hazaras, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Uygurs, and so on. Still Turks from Tabriz are not that bad. Persians from Tehran are embarrassing arrogant white wannabes.
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To Your info, we Armenians aren't caucasians and are much ore related to Iranians than Caucasians. And if You look the closest Iranian populatian to Armenians are western Iranians, some Kurds and Lurs and some central Iranians (but much more rarely). Azeris from Iran are often very different fro Azerbaijanis.Originally posted by Daryeh View PostNorthern Iranians are not actually Persian and barely Iranian. Most are Persianised Azeri Turks, southern Caucasians like Armenians and Georgians (many of whom were brought to Iran as sex slaves) or mixed Iranian/Caucasian groups like Mazandarani or Gilani.
It is strange to say that northern Iranians are persianized Azeri turks, as most Azeris were turkified Talysh, Kurd and some others and it continues up to today that in rural areas somewhere people swth to Azeri.
While in Tehran the opposite happens. But That happens to all Iranians, as Tehran attracts people from any place, so you can find also persianized Baloch in Tehran.
Concerning Armenians, again we aren't caucasians neither part of caucasus.
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The central asians are also mixed, as turks are from their origin, because turks originated as a mix of tribes, and some iranic tribes were among them. but culturally purest turks are in Russia, hey are the Altayans and Tuvans.Originally posted by Daryeh View PostYes... it's true that real Turks are in Central Asia but they're still classified as Turkic people though, as are Turkish people. They speak a Turkic language, although they are genetically and culturally Caucasian, closely related to Armenians, with much genetic and cultural influence from Persia which historically ruled over the Caucasus.
And again, we aren't culturally caucasians, educate on Armenian culture dear friend. While azerbaijan has caucasian culture, becaue any are assimilated Lezgins and Lezgic tribes, we aren't.
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Why do the Gilaks you know hate Semnani people?Originally posted by Firdousi View PostFrom Teheran northwards Iran is mainly Azeri and Kurd. Mazandarani and Gilani people consider themselves Persians despite being a different tribe. I have many friends from Sari and Nekaa. They f*cking hate people from Semnan lol
Azeris are Turkifized Iranians. Most of them have light skin. Real Turks look like Hazaras, Uzbeks, Hazaras, Uygurs, and so on. Still Turks from Tabriz are not that bad. Persians from Tehran are embarrassing arrogant white wannabes.
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Why do you say Armenians are not Caucasians? Of course they are. Do you consider Armenians Iranian then? I do consider Azerbaijan and Armenia part of the Middle East, unlike Georgia, since they have so many cultural similarities but that doesn't mean they're not Caucasian peoples.Originally posted by Qami View PostTo Your info, we Armenians aren't caucasians and are much ore related to Iranians than Caucasians. And if You look the closest Iranian populatian to Armenians are western Iranians, some Kurds and Lurs and some central Iranians (but much more rarely). Azeris from Iran are often very different fro Azerbaijanis.
It is strange to say that northern Iranians are persianized Azeri turks, as most Azeris were turkified Talysh, Kurd and some others and it continues up to today that in rural areas somewhere people swth to Azeri.
While in Tehran the opposite happens. But That happens to all Iranians, as Tehran attracts people from any place, so you can find also persianized Baloch in Tehran.
Concerning Armenians, again we aren't caucasians neither part of caucasus.
North western Iranian nationals are close to people from the Caucasus because most ARE Caucasian or at least mixed with them. People in north western Iran are usually Azeri, Caucasian, Kurd or even Assyrian groups who became Persianized. I've come across many Iranians who I thought were Persian but then it appears they have Azeri, Kurdish or other Caucasian "roots".Last edited by Daryeh; 04-20-2017, 04:39 PM.
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Yes Central Asian Turkic people are mixed with the pre-existing Iranian people who lived in Central Asia. But they're more Turkic/Mongol in genes, history and culture than Azerbaijani or Turkish Turks.Originally posted by Qami View PostThe central asians are also mixed, as turks are from their origin, because turks originated as a mix of tribes, and some iranic tribes were among them. but culturally purest turks are in Russia, hey are the Altayans and Tuvans.
And again, we aren't culturally caucasians, educate on Armenian culture dear friend. While azerbaijan has caucasian culture, becaue any are assimilated Lezgins and Lezgic tribes, we aren't.
Ok, so what do you consider Armenian culture to be based on?
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My friends are from Mazandaran not from Gilan. They have some stereotypes against Semnani people. They consider them uneducated, poor and obnoxious.Originally posted by Qami View PostWhy do the Gilaks you know hate Semnani people?
Mazandaran is like a paradise: green, wealthy, beautiful,.. while Semnan is a desert. Many Semnanis tend to go to Mazandaran specially during summer time and they use to make some problems.. so thats why."For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "
-Ferdowsi.
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Originally posted by Daryeh View PostWhy do you say Armenians are not Caucasians? Of course they are. Do you consider Armenians Iranian then? I do consider Azerbaijan and Armenia part of the Middle East, unlike Georgia, since they have so many cultural similarities but that doesn't mean they're not Caucasian peoples.
North western Iranian nationals are close to people from the Caucasus because most ARE Caucasian or at least mixed with them. People in north western Iran are usually Azeri, Caucasian, Kurd or even Assyrian groups who became Persianized. I've come across many Iranians who I thought were Persian but then it appears they have Azeri, Kurdish or other Caucasian "roots".
There's a special look to Caucasians,, they have a very unique skull structure as well(natives of Kafkaz)... And Armenians? They look very very different than their Kafkaz neighbours, with different language, different script and kind of different culture!
Source: I have Friends from Kafkaz tribes(Southern ones).
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You know a LOT about Iranians. .....are you from Iran?Originally posted by Daryeh View PostNorthern Iranians are not actually Persian and barely Iranian. Most are Persianised Azeri Turks, southern Caucasians like Armenians and Georgians (many of whom were brought to Iran as sex slaves) or mixed Iranian/Caucasian groups like Mazandarani or Gilani.
Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."
Originally posted by ذو الفقارdon’t try to be smart.
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Dear Daryeh, there areseveral reasons.Originally posted by Daryeh View PostWhy do you say Armenians are not Caucasians? Of course they are. Do you consider Armenians Iranian then? I do consider Azerbaijan and Armenia part of the Middle East, unlike Georgia, since they have so many cultural similarities but that doesn't mean they're not Caucasian peoples.
North western Iranian nationals are close to people from the Caucasus because most ARE Caucasian or at least mixed with them. People in north western Iran are usually Azeri, Caucasian, Kurd or even Assyrian groups who became Persianized. I've come across many Iranians who I thought were Persian but then it appears they have Azeri, Kurdish or other Caucasian "roots".
Genetically the populations re quite mixed, but the ain core of Arenians patrilineally is related to R1b haplogroup, while caucasians are G or J1 or J2.
But that isn't the main point.
Geographically the ountains in Arenia are part of he Armenian Highland that goes from modern armenia to modern turkey and is separated both geographically and geologically from the Caucasus.
Culturally we are close to Iranians specially as i said the west Iranians (look e.g. on the dances of Armenians, Kurds, Lurs, Bakhtiyars...). Our Phenotype is also uch more related to Iranic people, but not to Caucasian.
It is not hate to caucasians that makes me say that, but simply the differences we have.
I don't have any dislike for caucasian peoples or their culture. But to call us all caucasians is done usually by ignorant russian skinheads.
For sure there are soe assimilated caucasians among armenians, but their culture, raditions and phenotype did never prevail.
Caucasians are usually much more light than us, Our culture is based more on community, while the caucasian is based more on individual.
So there are really big differences on that behalf.
Armenia is now a limited region that borders with two caucasian countries, but if you consider it fro a historical point of view (most of historical Arenia is nowdays east and southeast Turkey), it should be even more evident that our relation to caucasians isquite limited.
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Wow, did never notice that, have to ask here my Mazandarani friends about it.Originally posted by Firdousi View PostMy friends are from Mazandaran not from Gilan. They have some stereotypes against Semnani people. They consider them uneducated, poor and obnoxious.
Mazandaran is like a paradise: green, wealthy, beautiful,.. while Semnan is a desert. Many Semnanis tend to go to Mazandaran specially during summer time and they use to make some problems.. so thats why.
The only group i found Iranians have dislike to or someties even fear, are he Baloch, what is typical for Tehranians and is a fabricated stereotype.
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Armenians are typical Indoeuropeans, both linguisticaly and culturally. And actually Iranic people are among our closest cousins. Howver from ancient times we have our own culture, that is also quite separate from the Iranic one or the Greek one. But we are by roots related.Originally posted by Daryeh View PostYes Central Asian Turkic people are mixed with the pre-existing Iranian people who lived in Central Asia. But they're more Turkic/Mongol in genes, history and culture than Azerbaijani or Turkish Turks.
Ok, so what do you consider Armenian culture to be based on?
I don't know if you know, but in more ancient times Armenians and inhabitants of southwest Afghanistan (nowdays Nimrooz) had quite close contacts (that was specially related to the opposition to the establishent of the Sasanian dynasty)
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Originally posted by salman47 View PostThere's a special look to Caucasians,, they have a very unique skull structure as well(natives of Kafkaz)... And Armenians? They look very very different than their Kafkaz neighbours, with different language, different script and kind of different culture!
Source: I have Friends from Kafkaz tribes(Southern ones).
Who are your friends? Lezgi or Georgians ?
The script we use by he way are related to the scripts in southern caucasus (georgian and Aghvanian scripts), but the languages aren't (except some words )
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