Arabic should become the single official national language in all muslim countries

[Firdousi]

Language can't unity people. Actually it separates us. Language plays a key role in nationalism. This is a lesson that Afghans should have learned decades ago but it seems we didn't.

What brings people together is common values, common interests, common projects, common wills and desires,.. unity based on race, language, nation or religion are a recipe for war and conflict. Please, wake up.

[KingdomofHeaven]

You guys need seriously to educate yourselves. The Middle East became Arab many centuries before the Islamic arrival: Lakhmids, Ghassanids, Nabateans, Palmyra,.. they were all Arabs. Rome had an emperor from Syria called Filipo the Arab.. and so on.

Your stupidity is hilarious lol

Some parts of Europe is also becoming Arab currently...you should go through one of these neighborhoods, its like entering a hellhole in the Middle of paradise.... its cuz they spreaded out like pests....most of the Middle East and North Africa is dominated by hideous Arabid features...they admixed with the locals...and the inflow of Arab never stopped cuz they outbreed others...

[Firdousi]

Islam is a religion singing on its Last breaths...its a fact...within the next 500 years there will be No More.

Our societal values does not depend on Islam/being Muslim. Pashtunwali proves this..in fact we can switch to Zoroastrianism, if people want sprituality in their daily lives...

An Arab lingua franca is useless because All science is English... And Arabic has no legitimate creditentials to call it self a scientific language...whatever little science there was in the mythical "golden" age came from outside sources anyway (mostly translations of Greeks, etc.)...

English is the language of science now since the Last 500 years...we are dependant on English language to catch up...

You are stupid.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Some parts of Europe is also becoming Arab currently...you should go through one of these neighborhoods, its like entering a hellhole in the Middle of paradise.... its cuz they spreaded out like pests....most of the Middle East and North Africa is dominated by hideous Arabid features...they admixed with the locals...and the inflow of Arab never stopped cuz they outbreed others...

Who uses words like "Arabid" except inbred Stormfront members.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Language can't unity people. Actually it separates us. Language plays a key role in nationalism. This is a lesson that Afghans should have learned decades ago but it seems we didn't.

What brings people together is common values, common interests, common projects, common wills and desires,.. unity based on race, language, nation or religion are a recipe for war and conflict. Please, wake up.

What i'm conveying is developing a confederacy, you're not going to "smash" and melt people together, But you can use a common international language.

This is something that is implied in the concept of Lingua Franca.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

KingdomofHeaven and One1 are the same person, look at their writing style. Same spastic line jumps and sentence discontinuities.

[logical]

Things that Dont Work, eventuelly dissapear....

Tell me what has Islam given to the world in 1400 years?

The biggest achievement was some translation of Greek scienctific sources and keping them alive only for the Europeans to take IT back After they woke Up from their own Semetic dogma that manifested europe......in 1400 freakin years this is all to Show for IT....

There was some scientific Works done, but they were not even real Arabs...but Arabized peoples...from cultures that were already More Advanced than the Arabs...they did not need Arabs to achieve whatever they did in so called golden Age..

Islam barely civilized Arabs...these people were burying their daughters alive Before Islam....not very high standards we are dealing with here...lol

If this is what Islam improved on, I am not impressed....it only goes to show how rest of the already far superior civilized world was brought Down to the level of Arab standards of civilized..

Why is all the Places Arabs placed their foots into so backwards till this day, 1400 years later?


Btw. I am not advocating liberalism or Westernization as i dont see them as good solutions....but I notice how religious superstitions have ****ed Up our peoples minds...

Muslims should learn their ways because right now they are ahead in every field. Just like westners learned from arabs and laid foundations of modern western civilisation.

But back then arabs scientific achievements had little to do with translating illogical Greek texts which they used to trash with logical arguments. Arabs translated because that's why they did to all texts they came across. They found Indians mathematics much superior to anything they got from Greek texts.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Things that Dont Work, eventuelly dissapear....

Tell me what has Islam given to the world in 1400 years?

The biggest achievement was some translation of Greek scienctific sources and keping them alive only for the Europeans to take IT back After they woke Up from their own Semetic dogma that manifested europe......in 1400 freakin years this is all to Show for IT....

There was some scientific Works done, but they were not even real Arabs...but Arabized peoples...from cultures that were already More Advanced than the Arabs...they did not need Arabs to achieve whatever they did in so called golden Age..

Islam barely civilized Arabs...these people were burying their daughters alive Before Islam....not very high standards we are dealing with here...lol

If this is what Islam improved on, I am not impressed....it only goes to show how rest of the already far superior civilized world was brought Down to the level of Arab standards of civilized..

Why is all the Places Arabs placed their foots into so backwards till this day, 1400 years later?


Btw. I am not advocating liberalism or Westernization as i dont see them as good solutions....but I notice how religious superstitions have ****ed Up our peoples minds...

First off, Islam didn't "Translate Greek works" , Muslims did. Islam is a methodology, you either apply it or you don't. And this is a false claim, Muslims did in fact make novel contributions to science. Optics, Physics, Algebraic Systems.

Your approach to talking about the topic is so fractured, it shows you're merely rattling platitudes and sophistry. Plus historically inaccurate. It's as if you're merely pandering the stereotypical pompous Eurocentrist/White Supremacist talking points.

Ibn Haytham was Arab (Father of Optics), Khwarzemi (not Arab), Al-Farabi (Arab) , Ibn Sina (not Arab). just demonstrates that you don't know you're talking about.

No one cares to impress you, You're just a guy who creates multiple screen names thinking no one will notice your bizarre typing pattern and using OUTDATED words like "Arabid" . By the way, why did you even bother digging up this topic anyways? It's been a dead thread for Months.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

..Arabids are an inferior race....



This is what you have spread out to the civilized World....

Your desert race is the Mongol equaivalent.....savagery is hard to Fight off when your civilized....

It's amazing how these inferior races always somehow manage to defeat and uproot these "races" of self proclaimed "civilized" world. It's almost as if all these demarcation lines are pure bull**** to begin with *shrugs*

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Arabid race is inferior....




Time to self reflect cameljockey...

You know for someone that's taken upon themselves to be the spokes person for the "civilized" world. Your views on race seem really outdated and contradict modern science.

"Time to reflect" House Slave.

[Manzareh]

Things that Dont Work, eventuelly dissapear....

Tell me what has Islam given to the world in 1400 years?

The biggest achievement was some translation of Greek scienctific sources and keping them alive only for the Europeans to take IT back After they woke Up from their own Semetic dogma that manifested europe......in 1400 freakin years this is all to Show for IT....

There was some scientific Works done, but they were not even real Arabs...but Arabized peoples...from cultures that were already More Advanced than the Arabs...they did not need Arabs to achieve whatever they did in so called golden Age..

You seem to be confusing yourself. Stick to the evidence, we are not interested in your own personal opinions of historical data because it holds zero weight. You are not a credible historian or anything, just a nobody blabbering mumbo jumbo which is backed up by nothing more than your own prejudices.

You can talk "those people didnt need Islam to carry out the achievements in the golden era" etc etc all you want, but history is based on facts not "what if's" .. the facts are they only became advanced after being 'arabized' as you call it, whether it would have or have not happened is just a desperate attempt to discredit achievements - modern terminology: A hater.

Islam barely civilized Arabs...these people were burying their daughters alive Before Islam....not very high standards we are dealing with here...lol

If this is what Islam improved on, I am not impressed....it only goes to show how rest of the already far superior civilized world was brought Down to the level of Arab standards of civilized..

Firstly, Islam improved on turning pagan idol worshippers into Muslims, this is the main improvement. No matter how civilised and superior you think you are, to us you are more backwards and stupid than anyone else for not recognising Allah, you laugh at us and we laugh at you.

Secondly you said Islam has not contributed to any advancement with Arabs, then next sentence you admit before Islam the Arabs were even burying their daughters alive. Then you say this improvement is not good enough for your standards. hilarious logic.

Why is all the Places Arabs placed their foots into so backwards till this day, 1400 years later?

Backwards compared to who? Football World Cup is in Qatar, Grand Prix in Bahrain, some of the biggest sky scrapers and modern technology is in the middle east, before the west intervened into Iraq after 9-11 the top tourist attractions and holiday resorts where there. Some of the safest and least crime rated city's are in the middle east, arabs are amongst the most advanced scientist, Doctors, Engineers around the globe. Whats your definition of backwards.

[KingdomofHeaven]

You seem to be confusing yourself. Stick to the evidence, we are not interested in your own personal opinions of historical data because it holds zero weight. You are not a credible historian or anything, just a nobody blabbering mumbo jumbo which is backed up by nothing more than your own prejudices.

You can talk "those people didnt need Islam to carry out the achievements in the golden era" etc etc all you want, but history is based on facts not "what if's" .. the facts are they only became advanced after being 'arabized' as you call it, whether it would have or have not happened is just a desperate attempt to discredit achievements - modern terminology: A hater.





Firstly, Islam improved on turning pagan idol worshippers into Muslims, this is the main improvement. No matter how civilised and superior you think you are, to us you are more backwards and stupid than anyone else for not recognising Allah, you laugh at us and we laugh at you.

Secondly you said Islam has not contributed to any advancement with Arabs, then next sentence you admit before Islam the Arabs were even burying their daughters alive. Then you say this improvement is not good enough for your standards. hilarious logic.




Backwards compared to who? Football World Cup is in Qatar, Grand Prix in Bahrain, some of the biggest sky scrapers and modern technology is in the middle east, before the west intervened into Iraq after 9-11 the top tourist attractions and holiday resorts where there. Some of the safest and least crime rated city's are in the middle east, arabs are amongst the most advanced scientist, Doctors, Engineers around the globe. Whats your definition of backwards.

They are backwards...simply as that...Islam is backwards...IT was meant for 6th century Desert people who had a culture of burying live baby girls....they should have kept their copypaste judeochristian dogma to themselves..the World didnt cry to be saved by Islam / beduin people...Islam/Arat culture and language was forced on the World.

Oil money.....where would they be without that?

All those Skyscrapers are there because of the "Kufar"...oh the irony

These Arats want to escape White hegemony, but everything of modern civilisation has been broughy to them thanx to this very same White hegemony....Look at Dubai, Qatar....all of that **** is product of White hegemony....if anything.they should be happy about IT LOL otherwise they would still live in tents...

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

They are backwards...simply as that...Islam is backwards...IT was meant for 6th century Desert people who had a culture of burying live baby girls....they should have kept their copypaste judeochristian dogma to themselves..the World didnt cry to be saved by Islam / beduin people...Islam/Arat culture and language was forced on the World.

Oil money.....where would they be without that?

All those Skyscrapers are there because of the "Kufar"...oh the irony

These Arats want to escape White hegemony, but everything of modern civilisation has been broughy to them thanx to this very same White hegemony....Look at Dubai, Qatar....all of that **** is product of White hegemony....if anything.they should be happy about IT LOL otherwise they would still live in tents...

[Daryeh]

Well the mistake you're making here, is that you're assuming that they have a Lingua Franca. Arabs of this day and age mainly speak in dialectal Arabic, Modern standard Arabic exists, but it's not as implemented.

I will agree it won't "in itself" do it all, but a Lingua Franca, international policy, economic policies and collaborations will. Lingua Franca is just one piece of that puzzle.

Although there are dialectical differences, Arabic speakers speak the same language and can generally understand each other. They therefore have a lingua franca.

This is false.

Afghanistan is a very extremist country, even without Taliban and AlQaeda, the rural Afghans have such backwards views regarding the role of women, that aren't even sanctioned in Islam. Islam allows women to particpate in society. Sure the Urban Afghans tried to change this, but they went the OPPOSITE extreme, and just tried copying Farangis.

Pakistan also has this problem.

Azarbaijan isn't extremist, but they're very "Russified" and lost a lot of their self respect and dignity due to Russianization. We don't want that either. We want that happy medium. Modern society that retains its core values while progressing at the same time.

Hence why populations understanding Arabic will be a great instrument to lead to anesthetisizing societies from both trends.

Can you provide a proper, reasoned out explanation on how adopting Arabic will:
-help to "anesthetize" Islamic extremism?
-help to "anesthetize" westernization?
-improve the economic condition of the country?
-reduce internal ethnic conflicts within the country?

Like I said, I can simply look at the 25 (?) current Arabic speaking countries, which span from Africa to Asia, and see how that is blatantly untrue.

Lingua Franca isn't Hegemony. Saying this implies you don't understand what a Lingua Franca is or its role.

The Western Hegemony exists giviing it economic and social leverage over us. This is why we should detoxify from it. Arabs exist on more or less the same playing field as we do, in the current age, thus it wouldn't be a hegemony, as we'd have mutually beneficial economic drivers.

It would be cultural and linguistic hegemony though.

See , now you're contradicting yourself. Why should they accept Perso- or Pashto-hegemony just because it's historical and current status quo? (I'm sarcastically using your faulty reasoning)

So what language do you think Nuristanis should speak in Afghanistan?

I think they should speak Nuristani (mother tongue) and Pashto and/or Persian.

Why Pashto and Persian? Because Tajiks and Pashtuns are historically and culturally rooted to the land that we call Afghanistan in addition to being the largest ethnic groups in Afghanistan. So it makes sense that smaller ethnic populations adopt the language of larger ethnic populations for purely practical reasons.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

All of those guys were Arabized non-Arabs....No actual Arab. check where they were born...doubtful you will ever find one from saudi or arab peninsula, that they wore Arab names only signifies how deeply Arabs commited cultural/linguistic genocide all across the Middle East.....



Muslims are not similar at all, like Euros are to make a United force...The 22 or so Arab speaking countries are not exactly good Hopes for a united force based on a lingua franca...these countries are Arabized in every possible way, yet None of them can be United... All I see is One Arabized group butchering another Arabized group.....

...you should first try to create some form of coopereation/friendship between your 22 Arab speaking countriesa and see if that Works, before you ask of non-Arabs to join the "party"...so far the having lingua franca hasn't produced anything positive results for the 22 countries...the Arabized countries seem hate each other to death despite having so much in common...why should non-Arabs join you, when they dont feel any kinship with Arabs at all?...this is common logic which you fail at...

Your entire argument here is just based on complete lies. Arabs did not spread Arabic by the sword, this is confirmed by the fact that Arabic gradually transitioned into a primary spoken language in the MENA over several centuries. It would have been impossible for them to do since modern transportation and weaponry weren't available. Arabs never made any mass exodus of populations. Even When Arab Muslims defeated the Sassanids in Iran, it was done with 5000 men. How could a few thousand Arabs force a population of millions of people by the sword.

On the Other hand ENGLISH did spread by coercion.The Expanse of English was due to the fact that Colonial enterprise was to affix the regions for the palate and interests of the English. This is actually what Imperialism refers to. The Arabs were never a centralized nation, thus had no basis or motive for imperialism. Imperialism has a very specific meaning in Political History Only European Countries and Japan could be correctly called Imperialist. This re-visionist History seems to have be a product of Orientalists and Right Wing Demagogues who want to validate their Hegemony by saying "oh look see everyone else did it too". However, it's historically fallacious, because what Imperialism is and what happened elsewhere are very distinct.

Ibn Haytham isn't "Arabized" he's an Actual Arab., Khwarzemi also was not Arabized, He Spoke Khwarzemi, he just PREFERED to write in Arabic. And this is how Arabic became more widespread, Writers just adopted Arabic because it was more useful for them. And this exactly why we should use it as a lingua franca.

So in short, your resentment isn't something based on so called injustices, but Inferiority complex, misinformation and mental colonization. Get over yourself.