Tableeghi Jumat: the indirect cause of extremism and terrorism

[Friend]

It provides the best environment to practice Islamic teachings, it polishes your true nature, makes you a stable, patient person of the society. it does not stop you from getting education or doing business. most of tablighis are either businessmen or highly educated people. it just tell them to not to be involved too much in worldly things. it makes the life balanced. thats the reason it attracts people. it is so simple so easy to practice. i salute to their perserverance and hard work. long live tablighi guys

[Badlun]

This badlun and toramana have enemity with taliban.... actually they are against Islam now matter how peaceful islam is or their followers are. tablighi jamaat members are the most peaceful and harmless guys on this earth.

Yes I have enmity with Taliban but not with Islam. I am against Tableeghi Jumaat because they are creating Taliban. They are nurturing the nursery where taliban can grow. First you make a Muslim radical by Tableegh then he becomes an easy prey for extremists and terrorists.

Tableeghis are apparently peaceful but they become wild when they see tv or radio sets or lap tops . Where they can , they break into pieces all such instruments. They are peaceful in their preaching but their work entail into creating conducive environment for terrorists so they are indirectly disturbing peace in Muslim and specially Pashtun areas. Why Pashtuns are suffering because of law and order situation, one cause is the predominance of Tableeghi jumaat by making them prone to be exploited by extremists and terrorists.

[Badlun]

Dear actually Badlun want Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasreen type Islam. daa da latoonri maar dai.

I want Islam as it is. I believe in amantu billah, in the five pillars of Islam and the ethics of Islam. This is the whole Islam for me. I do not believe in the Islam where Arab culture is mixed with Islam or an Islam where for politics the grandson of the prophet is brutally murdered for power. I do want Islam of Taliban.
aw na da lastoonri mar yam aw na da lastoonrhi na warchaney mar yam sah che wayam pa daga ye wayam zama wrora

[Badlun]

Tablghian like other Islamists are a useless lot ---fatalistic and stagnating---

Yes you are right. I forgot this aspect of Tableeghis. They start their sermon with the words that God does everything and man is not capable of everything and the success lies only in what God says and the ways of the prophet.

Apparently it seems an innocent sentence but its connotes fatalism, predeterminism, obscurantism and their puritan approach. They present man as an helpless creature while the only success is religion(God+prophet) which is for the life after death while all others for this life are meaningless thus proceeding to stagnation, inertia and inaction.

[Badlun]

good to see your correct planting of tomato seeds there, gal.

I am trying to understand what this post and others of DZJ have to do with Tableeghi Jumaat!

[ډګروال]

My "jurrao" with tabligh used to be regular but abonden it for a reason. I dont know how to describe it precisely, their tablighi format is more of "rehbaniat", you can experience same while doing ibadat in the cave isolated from the world. It can give some purpose, a cause to a purposeless person in the society, but it also pushes a handy, useful, constructive member of society to "bekari", narrow minded-ness, bigotry......because of its "rehbaniat" touch, it is explosively dangerous for young boys in the teens , especially if they are students... In my opinion you cant ignore the realities of life, this anti-duniya thinking of tablighis doesnt make sense to me...they have invented/innovated their own 5 times "aamal" per day and other tablighi regulations parallel to already established set up in islam and insist that you wont be able to follow islam without required enviroment for it, for that they suggest to go with them on "tours" for days, weeks, months, years....while in my opinion islam is relevant to your 24 hour life, your family, your society, your place of living. You dont need to go to lahore or some distant place to "refresh" your islam. And the tabligh, which our prophet and his sahaba did, which these raiwind guys claim to do, should be done by experts in islam. I dont know if they are promoting terrorism especially in pashtun areas, but they are making big portion of pashtun nation as useless people, burden on our nation....according to some 80% of tablighis are pashtuns while their entire upper, controlling set up is punjabi. ...

well look what we have here.
a pashtun nationalist within pakistani nationalism is telling us about Tableeghi jamat.
you seem to be very confused lately and on PDF they are using you as a soccer ball.
@ topic

when people like badlun,toramana,lewanay zalmay (kafirs) and this luppy hate tableeghi jamat than they must be doing something good.

[Badlun]

I was actually close with Tableeghi Jamat group here in Canada for a while during my highschool days. I'll say this, I really didn't like the way they did things, I thought it was useless and totally unproductive, but from what I could tell they were a non extremist group. Their way of spreading Islam and Islamic message is questionable and like I said in most cases it is totally useless and unproductive, but comparing them to some Salafi/Whabhi extremist terrorist groups is not right.

Tableeghi Jumat is not salafi or terrorist group. But they have salafi beliefs and preparing nursery for extremists and terrorists. If a person remains tableeghi through out his life then he wont become terrorist but once he is charged with extreme religion, bigotry, narrow mindedness , fundamentalism and puritanism subsequently he becomes prone to be a terrorist if he wants to express his beliefs violently.

[ډګروال]

Tableeghi Jamat are the ones who are protesting against the masaacre of Afghans and the drone attacks thats why peopel such as luffy,Padlun,Toramana,lewanay hate them.
they want the massacre of Afghans to continue and pashtun get tirtured by ISI.

these people didnt even comment on the news of paskitani soldiers killling of pashtuns.
WHY?

[Badlun]

It provides the best environment to practice Islamic teachings, it polishes your true nature, makes you a stable, patient person of the society. it does not stop you from getting education or doing business. most of tablighis are either businessmen or highly educated people. it just tell them to not to be involved too much in worldly things. it makes the life balanced. thats the reason it attracts people. it is so simple so easy to practice. i salute to their perserverance and hard work. long live tablighi guys

Here is the clue that this organization is extremely dangerous. They are very focused. Because of their simplicity, apolitical appearance, stead-fastedness and perseverance they attract many people specially Pashtuns and are working in the roots of Muslim society where they make people extremists without much propaganda and thus silently making the people other-worldly . obscurantists and puritans.

Even now they are reaching the high echelons like army, police, educationists, businessmen and will spoil them in the same way as they have spoiled and are spoiling ordinary Pashtuns.

[Friend]

Here is the clue that this organization is extremely dangerous. They are very focused. Because of their simplicity, apolitical appearance, stead-fastedness and perseverance they attract many people specially Pashtuns and are working in the roots of Muslim society where they make people extremists without much propaganda and thus silently making the people other-worldly . obscurantists and puritans.

Even now they are reaching the high echelons like army, police, educationists, businessmen and will spoil them in the same way as they have spoiled and are spoiling ordinary Pashtuns.

The hidden agenda that you carry in your skull will not benefit you an iota. you are repeating the same thing for which you do not have any proof but baseless assumptions. The same thing you have been doing with Barakzai wror in previous threads. You better have some proper knowledge and info about a topic that you come up with.
Thanks

[Michin Khel]

well look what we have here. a pashtun nationalist within pakistani nationalism is telling us about Tableeghi jamat. you seem to be very confused lately and on PDF they are using you as a soccer ball. @ topic when people like badlun,toramana,lewanay zalmay (kafirs) and this luppy hate tableeghi jamat than they must be doing something good.

"they must be doing some thing good"? So you dont know for sure. You have no experience of tabligh yet you consider it your moral duty to blindly defend any religous organization/movement without any knowdledge or experience. Infact you are also a blind patriot of your country unable to digest negatives. Leave your comfortable western life and permenantly settle in your country, i gaurantee you would change a lot. Tablighi movement needs improvements and changes otherwise it is lot better than many religous organization.

[Afghanistan2010]

Actually i didn't agreed with them,but since you dislike them,i will start accepting them and their cause,it must have something good in it,that you guys fear.

[Michin Khel]

Actually i didn't agreed with them,but since you dislike them,i will start accepting them and their cause,it must have something good in it,that you guys fear.

Tabligh is good for online jihadi warriors of internet like you and that graveyard. Involve yourself in tabligh and you would realize that there is a life and world beside your PC screen.

[Badlun]

Tableeghi Jamat are the ones who are protesting against the masaacre of Afghans and the drone attacks thats why peopel such as luffy,Padlun,Toramana,lewanay hate them.
they want the massacre of Afghans to continue and pashtun get tirtured by ISI.

these people didnt even comment on the news of paskitani soldiers killling of pashtuns.
WHY?

Tableeghi jumaat never protest against anything including massacre of Afghans, drone attacks or any other socio-economic or political issue. They just make the people extremely religious, ascetic, fatalist, lazy,stupid, puritan and fundamentalist which entail into extremism and ultimately reach to terrorism.

[Badlun]

Actually i didn't agreed with them,but since you dislike them,i will start accepting them and their cause,it must have something good in it,that you guys fear.

What I fear is the extreme radicalization of Pashtun society by Tableeghis. Pashtuns will only concentrate on religious rituals and will forget all other realities of life like science, modern education, development, democracy, prosperity.

Once Pashtuns become radicalized by Tableeghi Jumaat automatically the ground will be ready for the entry of Taliban and other terrorists which is now a days happening. One should do a survey will find it that wherever tableeghis are stronger, there you find more influence of Taliban.

Swat is the most influential area of tableegh and there you find the worst kind of Taliban.