Tableeghi Jumat: the indirect cause of extremism and terrorism

[Afghanistan2010]

What I fear is the extreme radicalization of Pashtun society by Tableeghis. Pashtuns will only concentrate on religious rituals and will forget all other realities of life like science, modern education, development, democracy, prosperity.

Once Pashtuns become radicalized by Tableeghi Jumaat automatically the ground will be ready for the entry of Taliban and other terrorists which is now a days happening. One should do a survey will find it that wherever tableeghis are stronger, there you find more influence of Taliban.

Swat is the most influential area of tableegh and there you find the worst kind of Taliban.

What?

Pashtun will devote all their life to Islam,change even pakhtunwali according to islam ? When they embraceIslam,
they will fight and spread Islam to east further ?

They will be the ones who most loved Islam and gave sacrafice and history is witness about it ?

Oh wait a minute !

That is already the case

lol,you want pashtuns to become beghairata dalaga such as you and your equals.

[Badlun]

Where is the ghairat(honor) of Pashtuns when we found that
1. The literacy rate in this 21st century is the lowest.
2. There is not a single globally known scientist, economist or thinker for the last 4000 years.
3. They do not have their own independent country. In Afghanistan they are ruled by others in Pakistan their political presence is negligible and further divided in 3 political units(tribal areas, KP, Baluchsitan)
4. Former Soviet Union ruled them for 10 years and now NATO is present there for more than a decade
5. Pashto language is no where used as a language of state affairs, medium of instruction, lingua franca, language of trade and commerce etc.
6. Many of the worst category terrorists are Pashtuns.
7. Poverty and under development is their fate
8. Arabs have married their daughters and sisters in waziristan and other areas.
9. Their women do not have even the permission to go around alone with out the company of a male.They do not trust their millions of women who may betray them or leave them.
10. Pashtuns are working like ordinary labor in middle east, Europe, USA and other provinces of Pakistan.

and many other areas where Pashtuns should be reminded of their ghairat and honor. Who is a dala pushing Pashtuns in stone age or the one who want to see them honorable members in the comity of nations.

[Friend]

Where is the ghairat(honor) of Pashtuns when we found that
1. The literacy rate in this 21st century is the lowest.
2. There is not a single globally known scientist, economist or thinker for the last 4000 years.
3. They do not have their own independent country. In Afghanistan they are ruled by others in Pakistan their political presence is negligible and further divided in 3 political units(tribal areas, KP, Baluchsitan)
4. Former Soviet Union ruled them for 10 years and now NATO is present there for more than a decade
5. Pashto language is no where used as a language of state affairs, medium of instruction, lingua franca, language of trade and commerce etc.
6. Many of the worst category terrorists are Pashtuns.
7. Poverty and under development is their fate
8. Arabs have married their daughters and sisters in waziristan and other areas.
9. Their women do not have even the permission to go around alone with out the company of a male.They do not trust their millions of women who may betray them or leave them.
10. Pashtuns are working like ordinary labor in middle east, Europe, USA and other provinces of Pakistan.

and many other areas where Pashtuns should be reminded of their ghairat and honor. Who is a dala pushing Pashtuns in stone age or the one who want to see them honorable members in the comity of nations.

All these problems you mentioned are because of our leaders and you know our leaders are sold to americans and to their allies. These leaders do not beieve in Islam the way they should so dont blame Muslims as a whole.

[Badlun]

All these problems you mentioned are because of our leaders and you know our leaders are sold to americans and to their allies. These leaders do not beieve in Islam the way they should so dont blame Muslims as a whole.

Yes leadership is a problem but leadership emerges from people. Why we have bad leadership for the last 1400 years as Muslims and many thousands years as Pashtuns. Why millions of Pashtuns do not strive for good leadership. Dont you think democracy can be a solution where a black middle class Obama becomes the leader of the most powerful nation of the world?

If Islam is the criterion then the best Muslims are Taliban, Mullas, or Tableeghis. Do you think they should be our leaders.

Yes morally one should be a very good Muslim but for leadership we need knowledge and experience of politics, management, economics, international relations, public administration, decision making,foreign policy, public policy,strategic management not of Islam as such.

[Friend]

Yes leadership is a problem but leadership emerges from people. Why we have bad leadership for the last 1400 years as Muslims and many thousands years as Pashtuns. Why millions of Pashtuns do not strive for good leadership. Dont you think democracy can be a solution where a black middle class Obama becomes the leader of the most powerful nation of the world?

If Islam is the criterion then the best Muslims are Taliban, Mullas, or Tableeghis. Do you think they should be our leaders.

Yes morally one should be a very good Muslim but for leadership we need knowledge and experience of politics, management, economics, international relations, public administration, decision making,foreign policy, public policy,strategic management not of Islam as such.

Well you are against Schimitar type Muslims who believe in science and logic more than you do. you are against the JI as they talk about a socio politic system, (you call them daa dwe da zaan na da islam thekadaran jorr karri). You are against tablighees though their members are highly peaceful and mostly businessmen and educated. But as i told you your problem is not taliban or tablighees but you actuall problem is with Islam. these tablighees and taliban are just your excuses.
the development that you see in Europe and in america is the result of 200 years struggle. Unfortunately our leaders are sold from the day one. now dont tell me they come from us. they dont represent us. you better know the democracies in the muslim countries.

[Michin Khel]

Tableeghi jumaat never protest against anything including massacre of Afghans, drone attacks or any other socio-economic or political issue. They just make the people extremely religious, ascetic, fatalist, lazy,stupid, puritan and fundamentalist which entail into extremism and ultimately reach to terrorism.

It is their official policy to stay away from politics and media, i think it is good. They are actually very different from talibans, they dont enforce islam on you, they attached you to their activities so that you become automatically influenced. Unlike talibans They dont ask you to grow beard, you would grow it by yourself when your imaan level increases. They focus on your basics and imaniyat and increase your spirtuality level, while talibans are concerned mostly with punishing women, burqa, lashes, stoning etc. They dont refrain you from bad, they only preach you good as they dont want to antagonize your ego, while you are reformed due to tabligh, you would automatically refrain from bad. They themeselves are not expert in converting non-muslims, but they focus on changing western muslims with tabligh, as the permenantly settled local muslims, would be then good examples for non-muslims and they would do tabligh in accordance with western society...excellent stretagy. In my opinion they are hundred times better than munafiqs of jumat e islami. All they need is some refeshing updates and corrections. My previous post was deep analysis of tabligh, i should'nt have posted it as most of the members here are either athiests/non-practicing or immature e-jihadi warriors living in the west.

[faye]

how many jihadis have come from this group, that you have information about, badlun?
i read that they are permitted to be active in israel. isn't that unusual, if they are the threat that you claim?

[Afghanistan2010]

Where is the ghairat(honor) of Pashtuns when we found that
1. The literacy rate in this 21st century is the lowest.
2. There is not a single globally known scientist, economist or thinker for the last 4000 years.
3. They do not have their own independent country. In Afghanistan they are ruled by others in Pakistan their political presence is negligible and further divided in 3 political units(tribal areas, KP, Baluchsitan)
4. Former Soviet Union ruled them for 10 years and now NATO is present there for more than a decade
5. Pashto language is no where used as a language of state affairs, medium of instruction, lingua franca, language of trade and commerce etc.
6. Many of the worst category terrorists are Pashtuns.
7. Poverty and under development is their fate
8. Arabs have married their daughters and sisters in waziristan and other areas.
9. Their women do not have even the permission to go around alone with out the company of a male.They do not trust their millions of women who may betray them or leave them.
10. Pashtuns are working like ordinary labor in middle east, Europe, USA and other provinces of Pakistan.

and many other areas where Pashtuns should be reminded of their ghairat and honor. Who is a dala pushing Pashtuns in stone age or the one who want to see them honorable members in the comity of nations.

That is why because systems and policies like yours are imposed on our people,we were destroyed not because we were against freedom,modernisation,education,but we were occupied by your equals to obey their laws and accept their slavery,no doubt that is why there are few known figures in history of pashtuns,let me change this term,we had many knowledgeable people,scholars,poets.
But they had not the oppertunity to develope or others to come forward,not due to Islam but due to lack of a handful aspects.


People like you want us to become beghairata,dala,kharkossan speee of other people and live as slaves.For example like ANP and other such people.

Know that we afghans will never accept any systems,which enslaves us.
Know history of afghans who destroyed any system which was enforced upon us.

We do not obey to any other laws,than the laws of Allah alone.


Praise to the one-eyedman who brought freedom to our lands,may you paki pakhtuns live in slavery of ANP and Pakistani government.

And to your atheists and others,if you are man enough come to Afghanistan offer your ideas,i promise afghans will cut you in pieces like a carrot.

[DaZahroJaam.]

how many jihadis have come from this group, that you have information about, badlun?
i read that they are permitted to be active in israel. isn't that unusual, if they are the threat that you claim?

the demand for well trained international terrorists must be extremely high. Someone who is capable of butchering his own should have no problem handling the rest. Why, Osama came to help afghans with the war and we are still not done celebrating that victory.

Funny how you promote war and consider it a solution for peace yet have a problem with science because somehow it's linked to uranium..

This thread is so disappointing..for every one person who is out there to do something good, there is five hundred other who will do nothing but brew hatred amongst others and come up with different ways destroying things.

[Michin Khel]

People like you want us to become beghairata,dala,kharkossan speee of other people and live as slaves.

Nice going......simply wonderful.....can you translate the bolded word for me.

[ډګروال]

Nice going......simply wonderful.....can you translate the bolded word for me.

he is totally right if you and your gang of kafirs here ,badlun,lewanay,toramana and others are allowd to shape thePashtun society than it will be all that he mentioned.

[ډګروال]

It is their official policy to stay away from politics and media, i think it is good. They are actually very different from talibans, they dont enforce islam on you, they attached you to their activities so that you become automatically influenced. Unlike talibans They dont ask you to grow beard, you would grow it by yourself when your imaan level increases. They focus on your basics and imaniyat and increase your spirtuality level, while talibans are concerned mostly with punishing women, burqa, lashes, stoning etc. They dont refrain you from bad, they only preach you good as they dont want to antagonize your ego, while you are reformed due to tabligh, you would automatically refrain from bad. They themeselves are not expert in converting non-muslims, but they focus on changing western muslims with tabligh, as the permenantly settled local muslims, would be then good examples for non-muslims and they would do tabligh in accordance with western society...excellent stretagy. In my opinion they are hundred times better than munafiqs of jumat e islami. All they need is some refeshing updates and corrections. My previous post was deep analysis of tabligh, i should'nt have posted it as most of the members here are either athiests/non-practicing or immature e-jihadi warriors living in the west.

make up your damned mind

quit jumping around like a monkey.
but hey thats what confused coward such as you do.
one day you are insulting Afghans to make pakis happy and next day you are insulting and attacking muslims to make your kafir gang happy.

poor thing
you couldnt even create a thread named pashtun corner and are doing your best to explain your position as a pashtunnationalistpakistaninationalist

[ډګروال]

Tableeghi jumaat never protest against anything including massacre of Afghans, drone attacks or any other socio-economic or political issue. They just make the people extremely religious, ascetic, fatalist, lazy,stupid, puritan and fundamentalist which entail into extremism and ultimately reach to terrorism.

ghalay keena ghwalanan deerey khaberey ma kawa murdara.

[Afghanistan2010]

the demand for well trained international terrorists must be extremely high. Someone who is capable of butchering his own should have no problem handling the rest. Why, Osama came to help afghans with the war and we are still not done celebrating that victory.

Funny how you promote war and consider it a solution for peace yet have a problem with science because somehow it's linked to uranium..

This thread is so disappointing..for every one person who is out there to do something good, there is five hundred other who will do nothing but brew hatred amongst others and come up with different ways destroying things.

Funny,how you support war led by occupation forces,puppet army to bring peace in Afghanistan.
Actually its not that funny-,because you support the killing of afghan people.The massmurder of our mazlum millat which is going for the last decade.

If we did not have crushed the russians by force,today you hypocrites were living in slavery of a communist regime,now you are cherring how you defeated the russians,but actually you are hypocrites,who oppose the resistancy,history will repeat,and you will claim to have defeated all world powers.

You are the problem,people like you who support occupying forces and the oppression of poor nations,stealing their natural ressources for the last 4000 years by criminals.

Nothing can stop this,it is a known saying : The word of the words,is the word of the sword.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Funny,how you support war led by occupation forces,puppet army to bring peace in Afghanistan.
Actually its not that funny-,because you support the killing of afghan people.The massmurder of our mazlum millat which is going for the last decade.

If we did not have crushed the russians by force,today you hypocrites were living in slavery of a communist regime,now you are cherring how you defeated the russians,but actually you are hypocrites,who oppose the resistancy,history will repeat,and you will claim to have defeated all world powers.

You are the problem,people like you who support occupying forces and the oppression of poor nations,stealing their natural ressources for the last 4000 years by criminals.

Nothing can stop this,it is a known saying : The word of the words,is the word of the sword.

Actions speak louder than words..

What are you actually doing about it to fix the problems in Afghanistan...