Tableeghi Jumat: the indirect cause of extremism and terrorism

[Badlun]

I agree with you on this, it does provide enviroment and starting point and can be beneficial for the lost ones. But on principle, you cant run away from world and worldly things and go into an isolated enviroment, this world and life full of distractions, sins, materialism etc is your examination hall.

Tablighi Jamat provides environment for the so called Jihad and terrorism. Also theri other wordliness has connotations.

Following two articles about Tablighi Jumat are interesting

However, in recent years, concerns have risen about how much the organization has been infiltrated by jehadi elements belonging to banned militant and sectarian organizations which might be involved in using the TJ platform as a cover to promote their extremist agenda.

Reputed to be the richest religious organization in Pakistan, it recruits hundreds of students in other countries and brings them to Pakistan at its own expense for studies in the religious seminaries.

According to western media reports based on the findings of their agencies, the Tableeghi Jamaat advocates an extreme interpretation of the Deobandi Islam, just like the Taliban and that many militant groups have infiltrated the Jamaat to gain a cover for obtaining visas and traveling abroad. Because of its being a relatively relaxed organisation, it is not difficult for militant organisations to infiltrate the TJ. Therefore, the western agencies believe it has radicalized to the point where it has emerged as a driving force of Islamic extremism and a major recruiting agency for the jehadi causes world wide.

According to intelligence findings, HuM, LeT and HUJI enjoy close links with the Tableeghi Jamaat and recruit their cadres in Pakistan as well as abroad through the TJ. Often, to avoid attracting the adverse notice of foreign intelligence agencies, recruiting teams of HuM, LeT and HJI go abroad under the guise of TJ preachers.

http://aacounterterror.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/the-tableeghi-terror-jamaat/

Deobandi-inspired, adherents are interested only in reviving the faith of weaker Muslims, and thus helping to ensure either a passport to paradise, or the rule of Islam on earth, whichever comes soonest.

To have harboured terrorists does not necessarily mean that Tablighi Jamaat is therefore a hotbed of terrorism, but it does mean we need to take it much more seriously. We should not allow this strange parallel world to continue.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/sep/08/religion-islam-tablighi-jamaat

[Badlun]

Another good article that how Tablighi Jamat is connected to terrorism and Deobandi Islam.

https://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/tablighi-jamaat-and-terror-links-by-ali-arqam/

[Badlun]

A very very good work on Tablighi Jamaat

http://www.usip.org/publications/islamist-networks-the-case-of-tablighi-jamaat

[Manzareh]

Another good article that how Tablighi Jamat is connected to terrorism and Deobandi Islam.

https://pakistanblogzine.wordpress.c...-by-ali-arqam/

Another good article how tablighi jams at is connected to terrorism are you sure? I just read the article and it didn't say how at all.

[Manzareh]

A very very good work on Tablighi Jamaat

http://www.usip.org/publications/isl...ablighi-jamaat

I agree, a very good work on the subject, I will keep this article handy to prove what experts Investigating the group have to say on them. anyone interested should read it. It's a weak attempt by Badlun to demonise Muslims because it works against his narrative. in the summary of the article the analyst wrote:

While recognizing the numerous reports that link Tablighi Jamaat to militancy or terrism in various forms, her fieldwork yielded little evidence to support the most sweeping of these claims. During her interviews with Tablighis, they tended not to opine on politics. However, she conceded that for some Tablighis—as individuals—this might not be enough. She claimed that there is no evidence thus far that the group as a whole is involved with militant groups, such as Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan, while acknowledging the potential role that individual Tablighis may have played in them. She claimed that the Tablighi Jamaat remains neutral on these groups, neither condemning nor supporting their actions.

To some analysts, this neutrality is enough to make them culpable. Borreguero admits that militant groups may try to infiltrate the Tablighi Jamaat in order to gain a cover for obtaining visas and traveling abroad. Also, individual members may come to find that the movement’s principles are too apolitical and neutral for their liking. Members of militant groups often attend the Tablighi Jamaat’s Ijtima (congregation) in Raiwind, where they hand out recruitment pamphlets. It is thus possible that a flame sparked and fueled by Tabligh could begin to burn out of control.

In other words, there is no link between the dangers of militancy and Tablighi Jamaat although certain odd apples may personally become radicalised, which doesn't mean it's the tablighi jamaats fault but rather the individual's personal choice of path. The analyst then goes on to saying the radicals tend to LEAVE the group because it's not Radical or extreme enough for them!

Tablighi Jamatis are wonderful docile people, they have nothing to hide and completely open and honest about their beliefs and spirituality. They are doing an excellent job in reviving Islam from forgotten homes in going out of their way knocking and peacefully giving reminders, a lot of people have accepted Islam because of them. This is one of the reasons people that are against Islam are angered by them and spread lies. If anyone is curious about Tablighi Jamaat I recommend this; do not be brainwashed by our views, forget the Internet and online views, go personally visit a mosque and speak to them, they are happy to speak to anyone. i guarantee you the impression people like Badlun give is completely false.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I agree, a very good work on the subject, I will keep this article handy to prove what experts Investigating the group have to say on them. anyone interested should read it. It's a weak attempt by Badlun to demonise Muslims because it works against his narrative. in the summary of the article the analyst wrote:



In other words, there is no link between the dangers of militancy and Tablighi Jamaat although certain odd apples may personally become radicalised, which doesn't mean it's the tablighi jamaats fault but rather the individual's personal choice of path. The analyst then goes on to saying the radicals tend to LEAVE the group because it's not Radical or extreme enough for them!

Tablighi Jamatis are wonderful docile people, they have nothing to hide and completely open and honest about their beliefs and spirituality. They are doing an excellent job in reviving Islam from forgotten homes in going out of their way knocking and peacefully giving reminders, a lot of people have accepted Islam because of them. This is one of the reasons people that are against Islam are angered by them and spread lies. If anyone is curious about Tablighi Jamaat I recommend this; do not be brainwashed by our views, forget the Internet and online views, go personally visit a mosque and speak to them, they are happy to speak to anyone. i guarantee you the impression people like Badlun give is completely false.

I know lol, I read it and I saw that section and was planning on posting it as well - you beat me to it!

It pretty much decimates his narrative. Its sort of saying that the prevalent narrative (i.e. that militants and salafists actually hate the Tabligh because they think that they are too docile and participate in democracy/apolitical) is more accurate than his whole thread narrative.

That is unless he is saying that if you have 1000 people some 5 in it may become "militant: or insurgent and so therefore you have to mow down the whole 1000... which is retarded since any group from ANP to Shiites to Marxists to whoever (see the recent Turkish Marxist violence against the American consulate as an example) have a very small component that leans to violence.

But that is actually what he has been saying all along. His dream world is that any outward symbol of religion (mainly Islam), even in a free environment, be punished with violence on that individual until they relent and eat pork, drink, and do whatever else he prefers they do. He claims he is fine with it in the home but my guess is that if a particular home is known to contain religious people he would then install cameras and utilize state sponsored violence against that family until they pretty much do whatever he wants under some weird form of house arrest/intrusion.

But yeah, the end conclusion in fact of the author of the very article he posted is not to label tabligh/outlaw it as a terrorist entity but rather to view it as a way to better understand various movements in that part of the world.

Just ignore him, these militant secularists are about 5/10,000 people over in those regions. When their western sponsors abandon them (which they inevitably do) they lose the endgame.

[Samandri]

Is there any Tablighi network in Afghanistan?

@On topic: Tabligh do not produce Terrorists, it produces pacifists. Tabligh is facing same problems like its Deoband parent, stagnant since 1900s with no reforms and changes......it is shaping into a sect.

Tablighis are known for their good manners and you wont see them saying profanities and uncivilized talk. A negative point is that they dont participate in community and cultural gatherings and activities, and any thing political. The anti-duniya sentiment is also too much excessive in Tabligh

[jankhan]

Tablighi jamaat is doing great work. They are not against the worldly things as they are living in this world but they advise people not be excessive in anything. Like don't earn haraam, don't eat haraam, don't listen to haraam, don't see haraam and don't do haraam things. Anything allowed in Islam can not me disallowed by anyone.
They are doing this great job for free knocking everyone's door. They don't have missionary funds like other groups have.
Badlun type people have a mental problem with Islam and not with tabligh or any other jamaat. Badlun tells us that islam is a personal matter and it should not interfere in politics but when tabligh is doing the same thing then he says tablighis dont take part in politics and makes islam a personal thing loooooooool. he has a problem .

[Manzareh]

Tablighi jamaat is doing great work. They are not against the worldly things as they are living in this world but they advise people not be excessive in anything. Like don't earn haraam, don't eat haraam, don't listen to haraam, don't see haraam and don't do haraam things. Anything allowed in Islam can not me disallowed by anyone.
They are doing this great job for free knocking everyone's door. They don't have missionary funds like other groups have.
Badlun type people have a mental problem with Islam and not with tabligh or any other jamaat. Badlun tells us that islam is a personal matter and it should not interfere in politics but when tabligh is doing the same thing then he says tablighis dont take part in politics and makes islam a personal thing loooooooool. he has a problem .

Exactly, on one hand he says he will only be happy when Muslims keep politics and religion separate, but when a group does that he calls them bad Muslims lol!

[Badlun]

Another good article how tablighi jams at is connected to terrorism are you sure? I just read the article and it didn't say how at all.

It seems you did not read the article. I reproduce here the English part for your consumption please.

Despite its seeminlay apolitcal, pacifist stance, Tablighi Jamaat has appeared on the fringes of numerous terrorism investigations across the world including in Pakistan, USA and UK.

The TJ was cited on the cases of John Walker Lindh, and other captives the USA holds in its Guantanamo Bay detention camps. A December 2001 article by the Boston Herald cited Indian security concerns branches of the jamaat were related to al-Qaeda. “We have a significant presence of Tablighi Jamaat in the United States,” the deputy chief of the FBI’s international terrorism section said in 2003, “and we have found that al-Qaeda used them for recruiting now and in the past.”

In the following article cross-posted from LUBP, Ali Arqam offers a critical view on the silent infiltration of the Tablighi Jamaat in the social fabric of Pakistan and their common links (e.g. Deobandi ideology, anti-West stance) with some militant organisations.

[Badlun]

I agree, a very good work on the subject, I will keep this article handy to prove what experts Investigating the group have to say on them. anyone interested should read it. It's a weak attempt by Badlun to demonise Muslims because it works against his narrative. in the summary of the article the analyst wrote:



In other words, there is no link between the dangers of militancy and Tablighi Jamaat although certain odd apples may personally become radicalised, which doesn't mean it's the tablighi jamaats fault but rather the individual's personal choice of path. The analyst then goes on to saying the radicals tend to LEAVE the group because it's not Radical or extreme enough for them!

Tablighi Jamatis are wonderful docile people, they have nothing to hide and completely open and honest about their beliefs and spirituality. They are doing an excellent job in reviving Islam from forgotten homes in going out of their way knocking and peacefully giving reminders, a lot of people have accepted Islam because of them. This is one of the reasons people that are against Islam are angered by them and spread lies. If anyone is curious about Tablighi Jamaat I recommend this; do not be brainwashed by our views, forget the Internet and online views, go personally visit a mosque and speak to them, they are happy to speak to anyone. i guarantee you the impression people like Badlun give is completely false.

Please read this part also

while acknowledging the potential role that individual Tablighis may have played in them. She claimed that the Tablighi Jamaat remains neutral on these groups, neither condemning nor supporting their actions.

To some analysts, this neutrality is enough to make them culpable. Borreguero admits that militant groups may try to infiltrate the Tablighi Jamaat in order to gain a cover for obtaining visas and traveling abroad. Also, individual members may come to find that the movement’s principles are too apolitical and neutral for their liking. Members of militant groups often attend the Tablighi Jamaat’s Ijtima (congregation) in Raiwind, where they hand out recruitment pamphlets. It is thus possible that a flame sparked and fueled by Tabligh could begin to burn out of control.

[jankhan]

When Badlun type and anti Islam people are speaking against them it means they are doing some great job. WooooooW keep it up and let these thugs burn in this world and in hereafter in hell fire.

[Badlun]

Is there any Tablighi network in Afghanistan?

@On topic: Tabligh do not produce Terrorists, it produces pacifists. Tabligh is facing same problems like its Deoband parent, stagnant since 1900s with no reforms and changes......it is shaping into a sect.

Tablighis are known for their good manners and you wont see them saying profanities and uncivilized talk. A negative point is that they dont participate in community and cultural gatherings and activities, and any thing political. The anti-duniya sentiment is also too much excessive in Tabligh

Exactly, the other worldliness or their opposition to the world and material things prepare suicide bombers. They consider the hereafter the only worthy thing and this motivates Jihadis and suicide bombers to blow themselves to reach paradise. I know many families who were attached with Tableegh an then their children were suicide bombers.

[Badlun]

Tablighi jamaat is doing great work. They are not against the worldly things as they are living in this world but they advise people not be excessive in anything. Like don't earn haraam, don't eat haraam, don't listen to haraam, don't see haraam and don't do haraam things. Anything allowed in Islam can not me disallowed by anyone.
They are doing this great job for free knocking everyone's door. They don't have missionary funds like other groups have.
Badlun type people have a mental problem with Islam and not with tabligh or any other jamaat. Badlun tells us that islam is a personal matter and it should not interfere in politics but when tabligh is doing the same thing then he says tablighis dont take part in politics and makes islam a personal thing loooooooool. he has a problem .

Tablighi Jamaat is a very interesting, secretive, highly dangerous and effective organization. For islamists , it is a bad group as it eschews politics but they now appreciate this fact that Tabligh prepares the nursery for them.

I have been to very close circles of Tablighi Jamaat in Raiwand, Have atatneded their congregations in Jalalabad, Kunar, Islamabad, Raiwand and Peshawar. I have been to their 3 days trips called se roza many times. When I asked their leaders to whom one should cast vote, they always replied , JUI.

They influence society, culture and politics indirectly but very effectively. You will not find any difference in the attire of a Talib and Tablighi. Beard size and style is the same. No TV, Internet, DVD, Music, dance, fine art etc are allowed by TJ. They are against shrines, fairs and any Sufi activity like wahabis. They are making the society an islamist one in a very effective one.

They are not involved or promoting terrorism directly or their mission is not to create terrorists directly but once a Muslim becomes Tablighi, he is totally an Islamist and very prone to join any Islamist organization.

[Badlun]

Exactly, on one hand he says he will only be happy when Muslims keep politics and religion separate, but when a group does that he calls them bad Muslims lol!

I do not call them bad Muslims. I called them the indirect cause of terrorism and extremist Islam. They are very intelligent as they are poisoning the muslims slowly to make them totally other worldly by asking them that God does every thing and we must follow Muhamamd in every thing.

They carry you back to 1400 years times when Miswak was used and not tooth brush. They make you fatalist and predeterminist. Your only goal of life is to prepare for grave and Akhirat. This make you a pristine Muslim with no ambition in this world and thus an easy target for terrorists like Taliban, Alqaeda and IS.