What do Pakistani Pashtuns mean when they say Lar aw bar yaw Pakhtun

[pashtun_rise]

Insurgent groups like the TTP result from Pakistan support for the NATO war.

There is no other explanation for it.

Well...lynx Allah knows best whose side TTP is...i only described you what i saw...heard from closed ones and still see.I too dont stand for theories much except when we experience ourselves or hear from those who really suffered.
Only one link has been found so far in our areas...indian books,ID cards and agents...but that many dont believe.

I d also like to add more to your knowledge...that hazara guys were also found...they also killed many people.However they claimed from iran and US sides both...when few were caught.

Most important...TTP is unislamic...thats for sure.Dont go for their agenda...if you are interested i ll tell some stories related to them...but people here usually fight over theories alot rather than going for facts..May be this could help you to find out the main culprits...and to me its also imp to know who are they that kill muslims in the name of Allah and claim to be talibs.Even women are involved.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

important...TTP is unislamic...thats for sure.Dont go for their agenda...if you are interested i ll tell some stories related to them...but people here usually fight over theories alot rather than going for facts..May be this could help you to find out the main culprits...and to me its also imp to know who are they that kill muslims in the name of Allah and claim to be talibs.Even women are involved.

You are right, TTP are thugs.

[pashtun_rise]

Imran khan is a simple man...with good intentions.He is not complex...his dedication speaks for him..Many people are helped through his hospital.Another is under construction.He left his family life...n here people are doubting him.Atleast spare him...

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I am also talking about pashtuns interests...look at afghanistan...what you see? Some beautiful valleys or landscapes...? No...destruction...Dont try to drag pak pashtuns in it...while you yourself are in safe heavens...its no joke to be in areas of war...when you wake up day and night and guard for your posts no matter what gender you are....come on man! come to ground realities.N we are no cowards that cant fight...but we like to be with pak for our education purposes etc.Rather than imposing your theories...or dreams...make your efforts for a dafe afghanistan like we are doing for our lands...

Lol there is destruction in FATA and parts of Khyber Pashtunkhwa as well? Did these things drop from the sky? No. They are an outcome of the policies by US, and Pakistan in particular, as well as other regional powers. To get out of it, we have to think for the betterment of our people, long term interests. I believe unity is the key to it. You are too busy thinking in afghanistan, pakistan terms...where as I am talking about united Pashtuns/Afghans.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Imran khan is a simple man...with good intentions.He is not complex...his dedication speaks for him..Many people are helped through his hospital.Another is under construction.He left his family life...n here people are doubting him.Atleast spare him...

The problem arises that he is not a good politician because he is naive and doesn't have much understanding of evil politics, but Insha`Allah, he is a good man and will win.

[pashtun_rise]

Lol there is destruction in FATA and parts of Khyber Pashtunkhwa as well? Did these things drop from the sky? No. They are an outcome of the policies by US, and Pakistan in particular, as well as other regional powers. To get out of it, we have to think for the betterment of our people, long term interests. I believe unity is the key to it. You are too busy thinking in afghanistan, pakistan terms...where as I am talking about united Pashtuns/Afghans.

Here comes the man who is obsessed...i dont deny whats happening is not right.N so are the drones...but majority drones in our areas were from US side.Pak's drone too were there.But i dont know much who they aimed at...all i know that US did more damage.If there couldnt have been checkposts at each level in our villages and roads...there could have been more damage...from talibs.

Now your dream of unity...there is great game going on...and you are wishing for pashtunistan....look at the lack of facilities...if all this starts to continue our children will remain uneducated and they wont know what happened and how did this destruction came.I go for education theory much...

[pashtun_rise]

Yes...destruction is everywhere.Mostly pashtunkhva and balochistan...but sindhis and punjabis are also being killed.Have seen many unknown target killing cases in sindh and punjab killing innocent people with my own eyes.I couldnt believed it at first.Before that i too thought its a pashtun game...but there is more to it.Someone wants to destroy pakistan...by targeting pashtuns so as to enrage them and silently killing indics as well.Believe me you guys need to see and dig deep.

[pashtun_rise]

I think its the right of every pashtun to know some facts about TTP....i ll tell some of stories here that can link it to some clue...

Before drones started...musharraf who is the worst enemy of all pashtuns and pakistan in general was in charge of everything..First he controlled media by attacking the media (geo news of pak in particular which was famous at that time alot)....and restricted them with threats.So media is out of question for you guys to believe...since it doesnt show the massacre of pashtuns but shows mainly the civil crimes alot.You can try that too by observing it....


Then musharraf started to DE_WEAPONIZE the paki people...or in other words pashtuns by a whole planned process....since in pak pashtuns were the only one who carried guns alot and that too were unlicensed.After doing that ...as per demand of US (CIA)....at that time war was going on in afghanistan.So you can now imagine what fishy was going on while the puppet musharraf was preparing the battle ground for US.

Then came the insurgents from afghanistan.Leme clear on thing here as well...the talibans of russian times were not that much cruel as people think.They were liked by tribal areas.So the "New type of talibans" came to tribal areas which were welcomed by FATAIANS esp waziris.(mostl waziris if are educated ..higly qualified...and if not..quite illetrate).So they were easy target to taliban.Peoplewere fooled by their so called unislamic SHARIA....people started to dislike them since many events happened that led to initially confusion and then hatred towards them.Till this time many pashtuns were killed.People then started to dislike them openly...War was declared against them by another insurgent group of locals of tribal areas against TTP.Army came...fight was still there.No one knew who was right who was wrong...since all were disguised in same clothings except army.But ISI too was disguised.

Civilians started to leave....towards urban areas.TTP also claimed so called unislamic SHARIA in swat...Army also went there.Only this time swatians were ordered to leave and they were displaced towards jalozai camps.They then returned once operation "RAH E NIJAT" finished.The sharia of swat had a notorious story of beating a woman in an unislamic way leaked through you tube as well...you guys can have a look.People condemn it alot.

Fight was still in waziristan only then taliban started to go towards other tribal areas...this was like a hide and seek game ....till they arrived at our area as well.(That i ll tell later on inshAllah).During all these events...bomb blasts,killings,rape,warning in the form of letter and then kidnap of rich pashtuns was on top.Pahtuns who belonged to upper middle class were also kidnapped and murdered if not payed.Mostly ...they payed TTP.TTP also used to threat the officials (policemen,paramilitary militia,army men) and beheaded many while attacked many centres.TTP so far played a gorilla war...attacking and then hiding in disguise.

The tactic TTP used to keep an eagle eye on local pashtuns were that they used to threat them...used to take away girls and women etc...at gun ponit .Anyhow...how comes that there were foreigners among TTP...i ll tell later on inshAllah.

[Pukhtoon007]

oh, i see. a western australian plotting to invade pakistan. have you informed asio of your plans?

dont be stupid, dnt misquote me, read exactly what i wrote, i didnt tell you to shut your mouth, i was nicely trying to tell not to get caught in the crossfire. and whether you hit the nail on the head or not well i dont noe because i said its a koraney mahmilay, your posts were skipped.

Also I have been the first to speak out against discriminatory law. Start a petition against the FCR and I will be the first to sign it. But as I said its the same problem... not limited to Pashtuns. We aren't concentrating on the right issues. FATA would have gotten the right to vote much earlier had we stood up for the right issues. Pakhtunkhwa would be renamed much earlier if we had stood up for the right issues.

Its childish to believe that you have been "oppressed for 60 years"
Its only today the situation has turned to **** because of terrorism. "

HAD we overthrown the iron amir we WOULD OF HAD pukhtoonistan alot earlier but we PUKHTOONS havent forgotten about it and we WILL get it.

see what i did there,

also dude to kill you off from this forum your true colors just came out.

Its childish to believe that you have been "oppressed for 60 years"

so you finally accept your not pukhtoon. lol all i wanted to hear. goodluck you will be ignored from today on.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Well...lynx Allah knows best whose side TTP is...i only described you what i saw...heard from closed ones and still see.I too dont stand for theories much except when we experience ourselves or hear from those who really suffered.
Only one link has been found so far in our areas...indian books,ID cards and agents...but that many dont believe.

I d also like to add more to your knowledge...that hazara guys were also found...they also killed many people.However they claimed from iran and US sides both...when few were caught.

Most important...TTP is unislamic...thats for sure.Dont go for their agenda...if you are interested i ll tell some stories related to them...but people here usually fight over theories alot rather than going for facts..May be this could help you to find out the main culprits...and to me its also imp to know who are they that kill muslims in the name of Allah and claim to be talibs.Even women are involved.

You seem to be of the idea that Pakistan could support a NATO war, permit drone strikes, have a war withing the country, and that no insurgency would naturally have resulted due to all the above?

The reason why Pakistan support for the NATO war was bound to be a mess was because the NATO war was primarily focused in Pashtun areas.

If you recall, it was Mushrraf who at the requested of the West, started a war in 2004 in FATA. After this point, an insurgency developed against the Pakistani state. He did this operation because FATA was termed a safe haven that was causing NATO failure in Afghanistan.

[Daruish]

its becuase most of the students parents came to the west when Pakistan and India were one country. I know alot of Indian peopel when I ask them where they come from they say, "Originaly from India, but its now called Pakistan". Thats way the Punjabis and Indians in west can get along well, only the new generation are hostile to each other.....

No, older generation does not go univ do they? I’m talking about those Indian and Paki that come as Student visa and now have settle.

Here is one ex.. .Desi people.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-0...esi-community/

[faye]

dont be stupid, dnt misquote me, read exactly what i wrote, i didnt tell you to shut your mouth, i was nicely trying to tell not to get caught in the crossfire. and whether you hit the nail on the head or not well i dont noe because i said its a koraney mahmilay, your posts were skipped.

the inference was, shut thy mouth and if you don't know what i said, and how i was being falsely accused, then don't advise me.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Then what the **** do we call ourselves?

I have to agree, Toramana is sort of knit picking at a technical variation in romanizing Pashto.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

[QUOTE=lynx;622417]

To deny that Pakistan does not have its interests in seeing NATO fail is to be oblivious to geopolitics of the region, but then to ignore that this very same Pakistan made this NATO war/Karzai regime possible in the first place is to be willfully ignorant of that exact fact.


Insurgency in Afghanistan exists regardless of Pakistan or any other countries interests. It is due to the foreign occupation.

Actually, ANP was hand in hand with Musharraf when he supported the NATO war in Afghanistan. The Pakistan insurgency exists due to Pakistan support for the NATO war. The Pakistan Army decided to support the NATO war- they did not decide after the fact but before the fact. Same with ANP- ANP were the cheerleaders for the NATO war way before the insurgency in FATA arose.
Exactly, the same question I ask you? WHy did the Communist terrorists have to murder Daud Khan and then support the Soviet war?

What was their problem?

Pakistan did not make this war possible. Don't overestimate the banana republic.

and lol @ the ANP supporting the war during Musharraf's era! Again, your understanding and knowledge of local politics fail.

And what does any of this have to do with Communism?

Read a couple of books, kiddo. You're heavily brainwashed and misinformed.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Lol there is destruction in FATA and parts of Khyber Pashtunkhwa as well? Did these things drop from the sky? No. They are an outcome of the policies by US, and Pakistan in particular, as well as other regional powers. To get out of it, we have to think for the betterment of our people, long term interests. I believe unity is the key to it. You are too busy thinking in afghanistan, pakistan terms...where as I am talking about united Pashtuns/Afghans.

BLS jana, daa mashuman di. Pa khabaro na pohegi ao na poheday shi. Ttola wraz pa PF bande garzi ao da har chaa sara jangaigi kho daa pakhpala na da tareekh na khabar di ao na pa ossani halato pohegi.

Moor plaar la ye pakaar day che haghwi da ghwaguno na onesi ao maktab ta ye bozi.