What do Pakistani Pashtuns mean when they say Lar aw bar yaw Pakhtun

[Manzareh]

Basically what I grasp from havi is that he would love to associate with Afghanistan and call himself and afghan if afghanistan is a Pashtun country, since Pashtuns are just a portion of Afghanistan then that is no difference from Pashtuns being a portion of another country 'Pakistan'.. It's double standards to point fingers at KP Pashtuns for joining with punjabis while at the same time you think it's perfectly ok to join with Tajiks,Faris etc..it's as simple as that really.

And Faye has every right to be here as any other poster, the day she leaves because of some toy soldiers orders is the day il leave aswel.

[Toramana]

Here are make correction in your Pashto.

1. we say "ta zan tha Pukhtun wayai" ("ta zan la Pakhtoon wayai" is grammatically wrong.)

2. In Pashto speech, Pashtuns rarely call themselves Pakhtoon ---the toon syllable is typical of Punjabi, Urdu, Hindko, etc. speakers.

3. we say "zan ta ogora" not "Zan la ogora"---again Zan la ogora is typical of kharyan.

4. we say "dai khabaro tha dai ogora" not "da khabaro la ogora" which is grammatically very incorrect.

I think we have a Hindko speaker on our hands. Frankly, what is your mother tongue? Be honest. And then we can have a frank discussion.

Za mara...te zan la pakhtoon waye? Zan la ogora or da khabaro la ogora...za kho ghaigay gam kho sta javabona nishta? Answer my questions first!

[Shah-i-Kot]

We dont deny the atrocities of pak army...but we dont want to be with afghanistan either.Now regarding criticizing that...you can see my links...you can see my previous posts.We pak pashtuns dont like afghans to be killed...but what you guys are doing by sitting in west while your country is in danger? We...are however trying our best to save our country...on our part.Now who 's hypocrite?

For Pakistan as well as to these very false "Pashtun nationalists" that you are debating with, (you know those who cheer for ANP,PMAP, PPP government), Pashtuns are expendables who can be subjected to a NATO war that focuses on entirely on them.

This is how it is.


NATO, Pakistan Army, Karzai regime, PPP, ANP, PMAP vs Pashtuns


These false "Pashtun nationalists" are in fact the biggest poison to Pashtuns where they can be content with the carpet bombing of an entire people for some failed notion that they can sit it out and see their "goals" accomplish.

Take for example, Achakzai. You see he tells the Pakistan Army to not interfere in Afghanistan by supporting or allowing militant groups to have a safe haven . What he doesnt say is : dont interfere in Afghanistan by supporting and making the NATO war possible in the first place. No, this interference according to this JOKE of a NATIONALIST is completely A OK.

Pakistan Army made the NATO war possible when Musharraf sold Pashtun bloodshed for $$ and also because he lacked courage to stand on his feet and defy a superpower (that was already crumbling even back then). He along with the Pak Army are responsible for the NATO war/and illegal Karzai regime in Kabul.

and Hamid Karzai, this dog was sitting in Islamabad, and was whisked away aboard an American chopper into Afghanistan.

How much more is needed to see how Pakistan made the NATO war/Karzai regime possible.

There is nothing good about Pakistan especially when the politicians shamelessly discuss reopening supply routes.


Thanks to Wikileaks, one of the biggest munafiqs, Fazal Rehman was exposed for his lies.


when Imran Khan wins, all pro-war people will be pretty depressed.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

2. In Pashto speech, Pashtuns rarely call themselves Pakhtoon ---the toon syllable is typical of Punjabi, Urdu, Hindko, etc. speakers.

Then what the **** do we call ourselves?

[pashtun_rise]

Basically what I grasp from havi is that he would love to associate with Afghanistan and call himself and afghan if afghanistan is a Pashtun country, since Pashtuns are just a portion of Afghanistan then that is no difference from Pashtuns being a portion of another country 'Pakistan'.. It's double standards to point fingers at KP Pashtuns for joining with punjabis while at the same time you think it's perfectly ok to join with Tajiks,Faris etc..it's as simple as that really.

And Faye has every right to be here as any other poster, the day she leaves because of some toy soldiers orders is the day il leave aswel.

Well said...and we are happy with pak.Afghanis should understand that we no longer want to be with them.But we can share love,culture,traditions etc...and religion.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Manzareh, I am for Pashtun unity, what shape that takes I am not sure. I am for it. Pashtun rise za da pashtano yaw walee khabara kaomaa....ka sok da Pakistan siyasath ao policiyaan tha sar khlaas kii nu khkaara khabaraa daa che daa da Pakhtano pur zidh rawaan dee. It is about interests.

[pashtun_rise]

For Pakistan as well as to these very false "Pashtun nationalists" that you are debating with, (you know those who cheer for ANP,PMAP, PPP government), Pashtuns are expendables who can be subjected to a NATO war that focuses on entirely on them.

This is how it is.


NATO, Pakistan Army, Karzai regime, PPP, ANP, PMAP vs Pashtuns


These false "Pashtun nationalists" are in fact the biggest poison to Pashtuns where they can be content with the carpet bombing of an entire people for some failed notion that they can sit it out and see their "goals" accomplish.

Take for example, Achakzai. You see he tells the Pakistan Army to not interfere in Afghanistan by supporting or allowing militant groups to have a safe haven . What he doesnt say is : dont interfere in Afghanistan by supporting and making the NATO war possible in the first place. No, this interference according to this JOKE of a NATIONALIST is completely A OK.

Pakistan Army made the NATO war possible when Musharraf sold Pashtun bloodshed for $$ and also because he lacked courage to stand on his feet and defy a superpower (that was already crumbling even back then).

and Hamid Karzai, this dog was sitting in Islamabad, and was whisked away aboard an American chopper into Afghanistan.

How much more is needed to see how Pakistan made the NATO war/Karzai regime possible.

There is nothing good about Pakistan especially when the politicians shamelessly discuss reopening supply routes.


Thanks to Wikileaks, one of the biggest munafiqs, Fazal Rehman was exposed for his lies.

I m no nationalist.Just a simple pashtun...and i love my land and authority of OUR pak pashtuns...not afghanis.N yes..we are waiting for imran khan..inshAllah he ll win.It means afghanis can share their part of happiness too if they ever come to pak...we still love them as ever.Few hate mongers cant change our love for them.

[pashtun_rise]

Toraman ...u have got your answer from hakeem.

[Toramana]

Then what the **** do we call ourselves?

No ---the vowel "oo" in the syllable "toon" is the rounded back vowel as the vowel in English "spoon". Pashtuns seldom use this while in the word Pashtun or Pakhtun in continuous speech. That is the mistake Indics make under the influence of their native Indic languages.

Besides, the gentleman couldn't answer my first question most likely due to the inability to understand it. And he has also avoided disclosing who is or where is he from. If he were a Pashtun, he would have immediately told us to establish his authenticity as a Pashtun.

[Shah-i-Kot]

I m no nationalist.Just a simple pashtun...and i love my land and authority of OUR pak pashtuns...not afghanis.N yes..we are waiting for imran khan..inshAllah he ll win.It means afghanis can share their part of happiness too if they ever come to pak...we still love them as ever.Few hate mongers cant change our love for them.

In Afghanistan/Pakistan, Pashtuns have been fodder.

Do you think Islamabad and Rawalpinidi would have allowed drone attacks on Punjab or Sindh? Its OK on FATA.

Food for thought.

These Pakistani nationalists and false "Pashtun" nationalists have collaborated with Pakistan in supporting the NATO war, and at the same time have created a way of justifying it...


Pakistan support for the NATO war is un-Islamic and immoral. It is good it is coming to an end.

When this war is over and there is peace, Pashtuns can never trust Pakistan and all those other surrounding nations including Iran and India that have been vocal or silent cheerleaders for this NATO war.

[pashtun_rise]

Manzareh, I am for Pashtun unity, what shape that takes I am not sure. I am for it. Pashtun rise za da pashtano yaw walee khabara kaomaa....ka sok da Pakistan siyasath ao policiyaan tha sar khlaas kii nu khkaara khabaraa daa che daa da Pakhtano pur zidh rawaan dee. It is about interests.

I am also talking about pashtuns interests...look at afghanistan...what you see? Some beautiful valleys or landscapes...? No...destruction...Dont try to drag pak pashtuns in it...while you yourself are in safe heavens...its no joke to be in areas of war...when you wake up day and night and guard for your posts no matter what gender you are....come on man! come to ground realities.N we are no cowards that cant fight...but we like to be with pak for our education purposes etc.Rather than imposing your theories...or dreams...make your efforts for a dafe afghanistan like we are doing for our lands...

[pashtun_rise]

In Pakistan, Pashtuns have been fodder.

Do you think Islamabad and Rawalpinidi would have allowed drone attacks on Punjab or Sindh?

Food for thought.

These false Pashtun "nationalists" have collaborated with Pakistan in supporting the NATO war, and at the same time have created a way of justifying it...


Pakistan support for the NATO war is un-Islamic and immoral. It is good it is coming to an end.

When this war is over and there is peace, Pashtuns can never trust Pakistan and all those other surrounding nations including Iran and India that have been vocal or silent cheerleaders for this NATO war.

You are wrong to assess such assumptions.Pak pashtuns are in high positions....everywhere.I had been to punjab and sindh too...those ethnics are as much suffering like us.I have survived 2 attacks there too...let alone in other areas.If pak is suffering ...its suffering as a whole.Its not good to pinpoint fingers at someone's sincerity.Imran khan is liked by whole nation not by pashtuns only.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

No ---the vowel "oo" in the syllable "toon" is the rounded back vowel as the vowel in English "spoon". Pashtuns seldom use this while in the word Pashtun or Pakhtun in continuous speech. That is the mistake Indics make under the influence of their native Indic languages.

Maybe that is your particular accent. "u" or "oo" is the same sound for most people.

[pashtun_rise]

No ---the vowel "oo" in the syllable "toon" is the rounded back vowel as the vowel in English "spoon". Pashtuns seldom use this while in the word Pashtun or Pakhtun in continuous speech. That is the mistake Indics make under the influence of their native Indic languages.

Besides, the gentleman couldn't answer my first question most likely due to the inability to understand it. And he has also avoided disclosing who is or where is he from. If he were a Pashtun, he would have immediately told us to establish his authenticity as a Pashtun.

You disclose your identity...i ll disclose mine...

[Toramana]

And I point to another sign. He i.e., Pashtun-rise is pronouncing Hakim to be Hakeem again under the influence of native Indic languages. Pashtuns would say it "Hakim".

But pashtun_rise, why the guise? yara da pa bala saira kai kho ma raza, kha drund sarai sha, aow khpala asli jama kai raza---And why should you care about Pashtuns. To stay united or disunited is entirely the decisions of Pashtuns. But I know, the sympathy for Pashtuns is more based on self-interest ---the Dravdo-Punjabi empire should not lose territory---and cease to exist.