What do Pakistani Pashtuns mean when they say Lar aw bar yaw Pakhtun

[Shah-i-Kot]

You are wrong to assess such assumptions.Pak pashtuns are in high positions....everywhere.I had been to punjab and sindh too...those ethnics are as much suffering like us.I have survived 2 attacks there too...let alone in other areas.If pak is suffering ...its suffering as a whole.Its not good to pinpoint fingers at someone's sincerity.Imran khan is liked by whole nation not by pashtuns only.

Why did Pakistan give NATO supply routes?

Why are drone attacks allowed in FATA?

[Toramana]

You disclose your identity...i ll disclose mine...

Now don't do ayain bayain shayain---You have been de-panted like hvZSultan to be an Indic with a Pashtun guise to cause subversion here ---typical Dravido-Indic deceit---and that is at the root of the stigma attached with being a Paki/Indic ( Pashtuns seldom pretend) world-wide.

Gentleman-ness and nobility is something gravely lacking in Indics.

[pashtun_rise]

Why did Pakistan give NATO supply routes?

Why are drone attacks allowed in FATA?

Pakistan giving nato supplies becuase the govt i stupid..we are waiting for imran khan for this..That you know as well.

Now regarding FATA being attacked by bombs etc.I can tell you as i was there...we while attacked by taliban initially (that came from afghanistan)...people were naive...fooled by them..well with time..people started fighting against them because they were unislamic (i wont go into its detail)...the war was later on handled by pak army...people were ordered to be displaced temporarily as IDPs.When areas were controlled...like that in swat (you can ask many guys from swat...i wonder there could be any)...IDP's returned to home.We pak pashtuns are never harmed by army.That i can say because many family members were left at our lands to look after even people got displaced temporarily.They were nice with them.The videos you usually see are of those who had links with taliban...So the thing that i condemn of pak army is not controlling pak govt...simple as that..coz i am no fonds of either afghani or paki govts neither their leaders.

I ve skipped the details...that s more.

[pashtun_rise]

Now don't do ayain bayain shayain---You have been de-panted like hvZSultan to be an Indic with a Pashtun guise to cause subversion here ---typical Dravido-Indic deceit---and that is at the root of the stigma attached with being a Paki/Indic ( Pashtuns seldom pretend) world-wide.

Gentleman-ness and nobility is something gravely lacking in Indics.

Toramana...you are stupid all i can say...as i ve said...your brain when gets stuck with one point...it ticks tock in a to and fro manner.Better learn how to answer my questions...Why dont you disclose your identity and why dont you come to pak...why dont you name the organizations you work for? If you cant answer that...i wont give damn of what you say..hate monger...you dont try to point out solutions but like to disgrace people...a problematic person you are.

[Toramana]

Toramana...you are stupid all i can say...as i ve said...your brain when gets stuck with one point...it ticks tock in a to and fro manner.Better learn how to answer my questions...Why dont you disclose your identity and why dont you come to pak...why dont you name the organizations you work for? If you cant answer that...i wont give damn of what you say..hate monger...you dont try to point out solutions but like to disgrace people...a problematic person you are.

I can understand the embarrassment that the exposure has caused you i.e., that you too like hvZSultan are an Indic and were trying to be deceitful. Typical deceitful behavior that characterizes your lot. And I didn't want to know your personal identity in which I have the least interest (sa da mur maira kom kho dai na ) just wanted to affirm that you are a non-Pashtun, which I did.

And why should I tell you my personal identity you Indic moron? What kind of non-sensical demand that is? You already know I am a genuine Pashtun not an Indic impostor like you.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Pakistan giving nato supplies becuase the govt i stupid..we are waiting for imran khan for this..That you know as well.

Now regarding FATA being attacked by bombs etc.I can tell you as i was there...we while attacked by taliban initially (that came from afghanistan)...people were naive...fooled by them..well with time..people started fighting against them because they were unislamic (i wont go into its detail)...the war was later on handled by pak army...people were ordered to be displaced temporarily as IDPs.When areas were controlled...like that in swat (you can ask many guys from swat...i wonder there could be any)...IDP's returned to home.We pak pashtuns are never harmed by army.That i can say because many family members were left at our lands to look after even people got displaced temporarily.They were nice with them.The videos you usually see are of those who had links with taliban...So the thing that i condemn of pak army is not controlling pak govt...simple as that..coz i am no fonds of either afghani or paki govts neither their leaders.

I ve skipped the details...that s more.

Insurgent groups like the TTP result from Pakistan support for the NATO war.

There is no other explanation for it.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Pakistan giving nato supplies becuase the govt i stupid..we are waiting for imran khan for this..That you know as well.

Now regarding FATA being attacked by bombs etc.I can tell you as i was there...we while attacked by taliban initially (that came from afghanistan)...people were naive...fooled by them..well with time..people started fighting against them because they were unislamic (i wont go into its detail)...the war was later on handled by pak army...people were ordered to be displaced temporarily as IDPs.When areas were controlled...like that in swat (you can ask many guys from swat...i wonder there could be any)...IDP's returned to home.We pak pashtuns are never harmed by army.That i can say because many family members were left at our lands to look after even people got displaced temporarily.They were nice with them.The videos you usually see are of those who had links with taliban...So the thing that i condemn of pak army is not controlling pak govt...simple as that..coz i am no fonds of either afghani or paki govts neither their leaders.

I ve skipped the details...that s more.

The 'government' is a convenient scapegoat for most Pakistani apologists. It is, in fact, the Pakistani state (the military and the bureaucracy) that has given NATO permission to attack FATA. Imran Khan is all rhetoric and only very naive people who believe Pakistani history books and tv-channels believe what he says. Did he not take a complete U-turn vis-a-vis the MQM? Did he not take a complete U-turn vis-a-vis the corrupt career politicians, who now form the core of his party? The US will only increase its drones by 2014 and the army's puppet, Imran Bhai, will take yet another U-turn.

Why does the ANP support these drone strikes? Doesn't anyone remember what the TTP did in Pashtunkhwa from 2007 onwards? They started conducting bombings in shopping areas, they began kidnapping people for ransom, they began extorting money from local traders and in Swat, when the ANP made a deal with them, they repaid by also occupying Buner. And instead of improving the lives of the people in Swat, they began shutting down schools and executing all possible opponents without any form of due process.

To date, the TTP and all its splinter factions have killed more Pashtuns than Obama's illegal drones. Why doesn't anyone speak out against their atrocities? Why are people quiet when they forcibly deprive families of their sons and homes and when they resist, they are killed? Why doesn't anyone object to their demolition of our schools and the mass-slaughter of our tribal elders? The fact is that the TTP is an anti-Pashtun organization. They've even bombed the shrines of Rehman Baba and Ajmal Khattak.

Of course, no one likes their homeland being attacked by anyone, whether it's the TTP or the CIA. Most people know only a tenth of the facts and then come here, making useless claims. This isn't black and white. It's grey all the way.


So what do Pashtuns mean when they saw lar ao bar yo Afghan? It means that all Pashtuns, whether in Kandahar or Attock, are one indivisible nation, who share a common history, language, blood-relation, culture and mindset. The Pashtuns never divided themselves voluntarily - their division has been created by foreigners through the barrel of the gun. And it means that eventually, like all nations, the 50 million Afghans will forge their own destiny.

[Toramana]

Someone has talked about faye. I think that lady has lost at least my trust by conspiring with hvZSultan to cause division in Pashtuns. I think she thought we are naive/gullible to play with our emotions. In my opinion she is not good for this forum.

[Shah-i-Kot]

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The 'government' is a convenient scapegoat for most Pakistani apologists. It is, in fact, the Pakistani state (the military and the bureaucracy) that has given NATO permission to attack FATA. Imran Khan is all rhetoric and only very naive people who believe Pakistani history books and tv-channels believe what he says. Did he not take a complete U-turn vis-a-vis the MQM? Did he not take a complete U-turn vis-a-vis the corrupt career politicians, who now form the core of his party? The US will only increase its drones by 2014 and the army's puppet, Imran Bhai, will take yet another U-turn.

This is actually what you wish I suspect. You are hoping that Imran will be the Army's puppet- the Army that is the most disgraced institution at this point. How does wishful thinking work exactly?

You either over hype Imran Khan when it is convenient or underhype him when it is also convenient. He is either the evil man that "will make Afghanistan Pakistan 5th province" or he is the meager puppet that will bend down like all the others to America. Which one is it? Dont worry man!!! Its called divesting out of the war. And yeah, he just called the Pak Army a mercenary army. You really think the ISI told him to mock the Army in an interview with Assange?? LOL HAHA

Imran Khan was first said to be a joke when he had no support, and now that he has it, wishful people like yourself are hoping (a desperate hope) that he will be the puppet of the Army. LOL LOL MAAAANNNNN

How bad is the prospect of his election getting for you that you actually had to craft that narrative? I thought Imran was Talib Khan, the guy that wants to make Afghanistan Pakistan's 5th province ?

Why does the ANP support these drone strikes? Doesn't anyone remember what the TTP did in Pashtunkhwa from 2007 onwards? They started conducting bombings in shopping areas, they began kidnapping people for ransom, they began extorting money from local traders and in Swat, when the ANP made a deal with them, they repaid by also occupying Buner. And instead of improving the lives of the people in Swat, they began shutting down schools and executing all possible opponents without any form of due process.

The ANP not only supported drone attacks, but also Pak Army war in FATA. Also, you should look at the source of militancy (whatever that means). Why did the ANP support Pakistan Army support for the NATO war?

To date, the TTP and all its splinter factions have killed more Pashtuns than Obama's illegal drones. Why doesn't anyone speak out against their atrocities? Why are people quiet when they forcibly deprive families of their sons and homes and when they resist, they are killed? Why doesn't anyone object to their demolition of our schools and the mass-slaughter of our tribal elders? The fact is that the TTP is an anti-Pashtun organization. They've even bombed the shrines of Rehman Baba and Ajmal Khattak.

Because the Pakistani insurgency exists due to Pakistan support for the NATO war. Thats why. WHy do you think there are no protests when 17 Pak soldiers are beheaded, but the whole nation erupts in anger when 24 Pak soldiers were killed at the Salala checkpost attack?

Of course, no one likes their homeland being attacked by anyone, whether it's the TTP or the CIA. Most people know only a tenth of the facts and then come here, making useless claims. This isn't black and white. It's grey all the way.

Why did Pakistan support the NATO war? Why did ANP and PMAP, supposed Pashtun nationalists support and still support the bloodshed of Pashtuns?

So what do Pashtuns mean when they saw lar ao bar yo Afghan? It means that all Pashtuns, whether in Kandahar or Attock, are one indivisible nation, who share a common history, language, blood-relation, culture and mindset. The Pashtuns never divided themselves voluntarily - their division has been created by foreigners through the barrel of the gun. And it means that eventually, like all nations, the 50 million Afghans will forge their own destiny.

When a false nationalist says this while supporting the bloodshed of Pashtuns, it means nothing at all.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

[QUOTE=lynx;622399]

This is actually what you wish I suspect. You are hoping that Imran will be the Army's puppet- the Army that is the most disgraced institution at this point. How does wishful thinking work exactly?

You either over hype Imran Khan when it is convenient or underhype him when it is also convenient. He is either the evil man that "will make Afghanistan Pakistan 5th province" or he is the meager puppet that will bend down like all the others to America. Which one is it?


The ANP not only supported drone attacks, but also Pak Army war in FATA. Also, you should look at the source of militancy (whatever that means). Why did the ANP support Pakistan Army support for the NATO war?
Because the Pakistani insurgency exists due to Pakistan support for the NATO war. Thats why. WHy do you think there are no protests when 17 Pak soldiers are beheaded, but the whole nation erupts in anger when 24 Pak soldiers were killed at the Salala checkpost attack?

Why did Pakistan support the NATO war? Why did ANP and PMAP, supposed Pashtun nationalists support and still support the bloodshed of Pashtuns?



When a false nationalist says this while supporting the bloodshed of Pashtuns, it means nothing at all.

Pakistan's support for NATO is only nominal. How many Taliban commanders has Pakistan handed over to the US? Compare that with the number of al-Qaeda operatives that have been sold to the Americans.

Make no mistake, Pakistan's aim in this Afghan war is to create a puppet out of Kabul. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. This aim has forced the Pakistani state to play both sides - cooperate with NATO to an extent but also let the Taliban's supplies move freely within its own territory. That's why Mullah Omar has continuously urged his followers not to attack Pakistan. Don't ignore the facts.

The TTP, al-Qaeda, the IMU and other foreign militants are foreign occupiers of Khyber, Waziristan, Bajaur, etc. If it takes Punjabi blood to kick them out and restore Pashtun rule over that region, then so be it. You bomb my cities and my schools and massacre my people, then of course I'll want you eliminated, no matter who you are. Don't blame us for "supporting this war on Pashtuns" without knowing the facts - the TTP began massacring Pashtuns in FATA and KP long before the ANP decided that the only way to deal with them is by containing them.

Why don't your beloved terrorists attack Punjab? After all, they make all the policies. Why do they continue to slaughter innocent Pashtuns?

[faye]

Someone has talked about faye. I think that lady has lost at least my trust by conspiring with hvZSultan to cause division in Pashtuns. I think she thought she we are naive/gullible to play with our emotions. In my opinion she is not good for this forum.

ha...who cares about your 'trust'. you're just another pf lowlife, backstabber.
me? cause divisions in pashtuns?????? you have lost your freakin' mind.

lol, you have to be united before you can be divided. you think i have so much power?

look at you now..playing your little game playing with peoples minds eh, toramana.

[Shah-i-Kot]

The 'government' is a convenient scapegoat for most Pakistani apologists. It is, in fact, the Pakistani state (the military and the bureaucracy) that has given NATO permission to attack FATA. Imran Khan is all rhetoric and only very naive people who believe Pakistani history books and tv-channels believe what he says. Did he not take a complete U-turn vis-a-vis the MQM? Did he not take a complete U-turn vis-a-vis the corrupt career politicians, who now form the core of his party? The US will only increase its drones by 2014 and the army's puppet, Imran Bhai, will take yet another U-turn.

Why does the ANP support these drone strikes? Doesn't anyone remember what the TTP did in Pashtunkhwa from 2007 onwards? They started conducting bombings in shopping areas, they began kidnapping people for ransom, they began extorting money from local traders and in Swat, when the ANP made a deal with them, they repaid by also occupying Buner. And instead of improving the lives of the people in Swat, they began shutting down schools and executing all possible opponents without any form of due process.

To date, the TTP and all its splinter factions have killed more Pashtuns than Obama's illegal drones. Why doesn't anyone speak out against their atrocities? Why are people quiet when they forcibly deprive families of their sons and homes and when they resist, they are killed? Why doesn't anyone object to their demolition of our schools and the mass-slaughter of our tribal elders? The fact is that the TTP is an anti-Pashtun organization. They've even bombed the shrines of Rehman Baba and Ajmal Khattak.

Of course, no one likes their homeland being attacked by anyone, whether it's the TTP or the CIA. Most people know only a tenth of the facts and then come here, making useless claims. This isn't black and white. It's grey all the way.


So what do Pashtuns mean when they saw lar ao bar yo Afghan? It means that all Pashtuns, whether in Kandahar or Attock, are one indivisible nation, who share a common history, language, blood-relation, culture and mindset. The Pashtuns never divided themselves voluntarily - their division has been created by foreigners through the barrel of the gun. And it means that eventually, like all nations, the 50 million Afghans will forge their own destiny.

Lets be methodological.

1) Militant communists murder Sardar Daud Khan and his entire family

2) Support the Soviet war in Afghanistan

3) the Afghan resistance is the response to it.

Not that difficult to see who is the source of all the present problems Pashtuns are facing, is it? That guy in your avatar should be enough of a hint.



Now back to this. You need to settle on one view rather than fluctuate from one end of the spectrum to the next, especially in regards to Imran Khan.

How is Imran an army puppet when he pretty much slaps the army on its face in a Assange interview. I tend to believe in some conspiracy, but surely there is a limit man..I mean this takes the cake to think that Kayani instructed Imran to insult the entire Pak Army when Imran called it a mercenary army for the US.

Do you have an attempt at an alternative explanation or did I do that for you with the Kayani scenario?

http://kashmirwatch.com/news.php/2012/06/28/imran-khan-most-popular-leader-of-pakistan-survey-report.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/326911

Assange Episode 9: 'Pakistan a hired gun to kill US enemies'

Anne


By Anne Sewell Jun 19, 2012 in World
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London - This week on "The World Tomorrow", Julian Assange interviews Imran Khan, a Pakistani anti-corruption activist and politician known by some as 'a one-man-party'.
Imran Khan is a Pakistani politician, statesman and former cricketer, who played international cricket for two decades in the late twentieth century. After retiring from cricket, he entered politics. Currently, besides his political activism, Khan is also a philanthropist, cricket commentator, Chancellor of the University of Bradford and Founder and Chairman Board of Governors of Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital & Research Centre. In April 1996, Khan founded and became the chairman of a political party Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (Movement for Justice). He represented Mianwali as a member of the National Assembly from November 2002 to October 2007. Foreign Policy magazine has described him as "Pakistan's Ron Paul". In the interview, the subject of the U.S.-Pakistani "client-master" relationship is discussed. While once labeled "a one-man-party", today he is a front-runner in Pakistani politics. Nowadays his party counts far more than “one member” as electable people come to join him. Khan's party, among others, boycotted the elections in 2008 as they were “were manipulated by the Bush administration.” Khan always warned that elections would be “a disaster for the people of Pakistan” and that Pakistani leaders were turncoats telling Americans how great they were, but at the same time giving their own citizens a different opinion. Khan says, “The War on Terror has been devastating for Pakistan,” because 40,000 Pakistanis have been killed “fighting America’s war.” “Basically, our own army was killing our own people. No country has ever been bombed by its own ally, as we have been bombed in this country. Never has a country's ruling elite, for personal benefits, never have they betrayed their people as much as this elite under Musharraf and the current elite,” Khan says. Khan further states that the U.S. operation on Pakistan’s soil in May 2011 against Osama bin Laden was the “ultimate humiliation” for the state, which was “sacrificing for the U.S.” It turned out that “our ally did not trust us and actually came and killed someone on our own soil. It was that the two factors combined: the sacrifices, and secondly, here is an ally which – are we a friend or an enemy?” Khan says the “client-master relationship” between the U.S. and Pakistan, when the latter is “a hired gun, being paid to kill America’s enemies” should be reviewed. “The only thing that the Americans should be told is that “Look, there will be no terrorism from our side,”" he says. The relationship with the U.S. should be based on “dignity and self-respect” instead of the current “client-master” model. The full interview can be viewed above. "The World Tomorrow" is broadcast live every Tuesday on RT at 11:30 GMT and published on Digital Journal as soon as the video is available.

[faye]

Someone has talked about faye. I think that lady has lost at least my trust by conspiring with hvZSultan to cause division in Pashtuns. I think she thought we are naive/gullible to play with our emotions. In my opinion she is not good for this forum.

BTW, you deceitful, manipulative, sly old wretch, how am i supposed to have been creating divisions? give some evidence or shut thy mouth, from telling lies about me.

[Shah-i-Kot]

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Pakistan's support for NATO is only nominal. How many Taliban commanders has Pakistan handed over to the US? Compare that with the number of al-Qaeda operatives that have been sold to the Americans.

Make no mistake, Pakistan's aim in this Afghan war is to create a puppet out of Kabul. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. This aim has forced the Pakistani state to play both sides - cooperate with NATO to an extent but also let the Taliban's supplies move freely within its own territory. That's why Mullah Omar has continuously urged his followers not to attack Pakistan. Don't ignore the facts.

To deny that Pakistan does not have its interests in seeing NATO fail is to be oblivious to geopolitics of the region, but then to ignore that this very same Pakistan made this NATO war/Karzai regime possible in the first place is to be willfully ignorant of that exact fact.


Insurgency in Afghanistan exists regardless of Pakistan or any other countries interests. It is due to the foreign occupation.

The TTP, al-Qaeda, the IMU and other foreign militants are foreign occupiers of Khyber, Waziristan, Bajaur, etc. If it takes Punjabi blood to kick them out and restore Pashtun rule over that region, then so be it. You bomb my cities and my schools and massacre my people, then of course I'll want you eliminated, no matter who you are. Don't blame us for "supporting this war on Pashtuns" without knowing the facts - the TTP began massacring Pashtuns in FATA and KP long before the ANP decided that the only way to deal with them is by containing them.

Actually, ANP was hand in hand with Musharraf when he supported the NATO war in Afghanistan. The Pakistan insurgency exists due to Pakistan support for the NATO war. The Pakistan Army decided to support the NATO war- they did not decide after the fact but before the fact. Same with ANP- ANP were the cheerleaders for the NATO war way before the insurgency in FATA arose.

Why don't your beloved terrorists attack Punjab? After all, they make all the policies. Why do they continue to slaughter innocent Pashtuns?

Exactly, the same question I ask you? WHy did the Communist terrorists have to murder Daud Khan and then support the Soviet war?

What was their problem?

[Shah-i-Kot]

Someone has talked about faye. I think that lady has lost at least my trust by conspiring with hvZSultan to cause division in Pashtuns. I think she thought we are naive/gullible to play with our emotions. In my opinion she is not good for this forum.

I think you are delusional. ANyone who thinks division of Pashtuns or any other grouping on the world will occur via a forum needs to get their brain checked..