What do Pakistani Pashtuns mean when they say Lar aw bar yaw Pakhtun

[pashtun_rise]

ohhhhh so you've had enough of geting owned everytime, now your geting all defensive, i was just kidding around, shadow we got a bad ass over here watch out he might put a fatwa on us.

Just a matter of time...you too outburst like shadow...hahaha...but you are becoming smart a bit now...

[pashtun_rise]

correcting with US numbers<==== you

Seriously shadow...i think you need some break...

[Pukhtoon007]

Just a matter of time...you too outburst like shadow...hahaha...but you are becoming smart a bit now...

if only you could become smart, but .......i doubt it. im guessing you've had enough of getting owned, anywayz dnt walk into anything now. cya for now

[pashtun_rise]

if only you could become smart, but .......i doubt it. im guessing you've had enough of getting owned, anywayz dnt walk into anything now. cya for now

Or what?

[haviZsultan]

It is not a card. It is reality. The Afghan-ness of Pashtuns is more ancient and profound thoroughly ingrained in their collective psyche and at the foundations of the historical development the end-result of which is the Pashtun reality today. Contrary to this, what is Paki-ism /Pakistan---nothing more than an artificial creation, a superficial entity, and just a label or designation that I carry on my passport and that can change any time.

It doesn't change the fact that many Pashtuns struggled for this entity and the majority of Pashtuns accept it as their home. Why ignore that?

Instead of leading the Afghans on in their idiocy with dreams of re-unification you should tell them about what the majority of Pashtuns think and also tell them you are a traitor to your own people in the process.

Then you can watch the Afghans trample you under the hooves of ancient horses like a horde of barbarians on the way to raid Indics (whatever that is)

Afghans will never show loyalty to a man who couldn't be loyal to his own people. If you can't be loyal to Pakistan please be loyal to lar Pashtuns.

Most of us live and die in 60 years. I assume you are younger than it. It is enough time to develop loyalty to land. This is a bull**** argument that Pakistan is a young country so since I have a thousand year history I can't live in it. India has 400+ cultures. Many other nations are examples of how several peoples can live harmoniously in one nation but this is impossible to understand for a racist for whom the root of all problems are Punjab.

Look at Britain for example, they have the welsh, irish, english and scottish united in one state.

You are the archetype of an Indic (having converted to Islam a few decades or may be a couple of centuries back to escape un-touchability of the Hindu-caste system) with depth of thought only skin deep and with the typical trait to win the argument through vane rhetoric and platitudes. Somehow, your Indic moronic mentality cannot grasp the general principle that acts or dead of just one person doesn't make a nation's history or determine its destiny, collective memories, and the consciousness of national-self and unity. Pashtun/Afghan history and identity is much more than just Amir Abdur Rahman with countless heroes and historical figures (Mir Mahmoud Khan Khilji, Mirwais Khilji, Mir Ashraf Khilji, Ahmad Shah Baba, Amanullah Khan, Khushal Khan, Rahman Baba, Darya Khan, Amir Kror, Khlijis, Ghorids, Suris, Wazir Akbar Khan, Bacha Khan, Abdu Samad Khan Achakzai, etc. are a few to cite) not to mention a common language (Pashto), value system (Pashtunwali), geography and territory, literary achievements, and countless other dimensions of culture providing a solid and strong ground for unity.

You are a fool who knows nothing about my background. There is a possibility that some of my ancestors came right from Afghanistan. Please don't open your mouth before knowing anything.

You gave me some examples of Pashtun leaders... (Again I have to repeat for a retard-traitor to lar Pashtuns like you) but the problem with people like you is that you count history up till a point which is why you are by all means not accepting Pashtun figures after 1893. These are no doubt our leaders, our heroes and our champions which makes Pashtun history so rich.

BUT our heroes and personalities are also Mohd Aslam Khan Khattak, Inayatullah Khan, Abdur Rab Nishtar, Saeed Allahdad Shah, Khan Bahadur Syed Ameer Hassan Khan, Khan Bahadur Khawaja Yousuf Shah, Jehangir Khan, Mohammad Younis, Shahid Afridi, lalak jan, karnal sher khan...

It is a huge crime and rape of history which you are doing Toramana and you are a criminal in my eyes. By totally discounting lar history after 1893 you will not be able to ignore what the lar Pashtuns aspired for.

What do you have to say of these people? Answer me coward. The moment these Pashtuns see a person like you don't know what they will leave in your ass.

But there is more to it than the above i.e., you cannot prove he did this purposely just for sake of money (what he dis was under duress) and even if he did that (the chances of which are not even remotely possible), cleavages based on that cannot be of any benefit to the long-run(strategic) interest and survival of Pashtuns. Rather, it would be gravely detrimental to them as a nation. The centuries-old adage is united we stand divided we fall.

Go on defend Abdur Rehman Khan. You are just proving you are a northern stooge. Of course he did it for money. Do you know how much British payed him every year?

But your Pako-fascism and Indic-ism is driving you really crazy and you would hold onto any thing to achieve your dream of a Paki/Ranjit Singhi nation even if that needs raping/prostituting history and robbing communities of their cultures and histories. Debunked, you have become psychic and are trying to push in one thing repeatedly i.e. Amir Abdur Rahman Khan (you have reduced the entire Pashtun history to the dead of just one personality---Amir Abdur Rahman Khan).

Here comes the rubbish about Ranjit Singh without which a Toramana post is utterly incomplete and so un-Tormana like. It proves you haven't grown out of the year 1700 or 1800 when Afghans were fighting wars against the Sikhs. It proves your mentality that you have picked a date 300 years ago and are sticking to it and do not understand that now is very different to then. Same is with people who take Khushal Khan's words as irrefutable truth rather than look at the poetry and admire his work. For example what shadow posted. No one would like Pashtuns to be known as raiders in this age.

You are an Afghan slave and you will not know why that moment in Pashtun history is so critical. Its because Pashtuns were divided forever. It is similar to the division of Sudan and break of your arch foe Pakistan into Bangladesh and Pakistan. Read the older post about the Bangladesh example again and the parallels I have drawn to the current situation.

Now that is crossing the ultimate limits. A Dravidian offspring of untouchable converts to Islam comes here and imposes his categorizations on Pashtuns---Bravo---Can there be a worst act of ignobility than this? I am sorry to say it but any person who tries to be this crafty must be of low if not outright ignoble birth.

Toramana nothing makes me more angry than listening to your bull**** racism all day.

Listen moron, I am a Pashtun, I am an Afghan---I am a Pashtun a member of the great Afghan/Pashtun nation that extends from Attock/Indus to Hindukush-----and hail from Swat, KPK.

Don't try to teach me. I am a Pashtun but I am not an Afghan. It is sensible to see Afghan in its primal sense. As a national of Afghanistan. If you feel otherwise then I can understand as many of my brethren feel the same.

But any Pakistani Pashtun who sees the attitudes of Afghans will disassociate himself from Afghan=Pashtun as fast as he can.

Let me also tell you that Arooj Khan is a very genuine Pashthana in my opinion misguided and I respect her as a pashtana sister. But you ---you are like a thief having broken into another body's house and trying to steal---that is called intellectual burglary.

I am who I choose to be. What are you? Detritus. Toramana stop talking about me. I am a Nationalist Pakistani first, I call myself Pashtun because nothing can explain my love for Pashtuns... and I will marry outside my race because I am not a racist and consider inter marriages between races a way to bridge the ethnic stupidity being spewed by Pakistanis from all walks of life.

Hear this and hear this well. The Pashtun identity is not a property of the Afghan to be bought and sold to whoever they deem fit, whoever they consider Pashtun and whoever comes to their terms of what a Pashtun is-you understand?

Stop telling me I am a thief. I liked a culture and chose to adopt it and may have past weak or suspect links to it but links alright... you Afghans (which I seriously think you are) are the thieves denying our people a culture we choose to follow and trying to dump us as an outsider when you are a traitor yourself.

That argument has long been debunked---Say something genuinely authentic---Even Kalum Saifullah Khan has admitted at one point that she casted 15 votes in the of-quoted referendum that was heavily manipulated by authorities with approval from British governor (was boycotted by KKs and excluded large swathes of Pashtun populace ---non-Pashtuns of Hazara overwhelmingly voted though.)

Propaganda is the refuge of the looser. How would the Khudai Khidmatgars save face other that propaganda? They lost the elections. Were beaten badly. In 1952 these were the election results:


Provincial 1951 elections Total seats 85 Muslim League 67 Jinnah Awami League 4 Independents 13 Minority seats 1

If the election had been rigged as you said why wasn't there any protest and rebellion later? The Pashtuns should have risen up and rebelled against Pakistani rule. That never happened.

Nehru was pelted by stone throwing mobs when he came to Pakhtunkhwa. Why so if everyone supported Bacha Khan's ideology that India should remain one. Instead of slavery of Pakistan as you call it you would be a slave of India which would even be worse.

Use your brain Bacha Khan was just an icon... no one necessarily supported his ideas. Even I love Bacha Khan as a noble leader who tried to emulate Gandhi and succeeded in following his non-violent ways.

I am primarily a secularist, liberalist, and nationalist (rational home-born self-thought-out prudent secularism/liberalism practiced with pragmatism). Somehow, I have reached the conclusion that these ideals should be pursued for their own sake according to one's objective conditions and not borrowed from others with their political-cultural baggage/agenda or make others "feel comfortable" in their thinking.

Now I have a grudge against two sets of people; the secularist/liberalist imitators/emulators; and the religious extremists who are equally imitators in their ideology with foreign-driven agenda.

Now I think you make these posts to win some kind of sympathy from me as I am a liberal secularist too and don't want me to debunk the bull**** that comes from your throat.

If you think by claiming you are liberal and secularist like me you are going to jab someone on the side of the stomach and run off like a Kenyan marathon runner with hungry lions chasing after him you are absolutely wrong.

You are a typical Afghan slave and I have seen your mentality when you called Karnal Sher Khan brainwashed and Abdur Rehman Khan a hero. Its impossible. I can tell you a thousand reasons why a lar Pashtun especially one who believes in the idea that Pakistan is an evil creation will never call Abdur Rehman Khan a hero even if he does think Karnal Sher Khan was a fool. Pakistan would never be if he hadn't been the coward he is.

You ask me why I hang on to that point in history (like you hang on to when Ranjit Singh was raiding Afghan territory). Its because it was the partition of Pashtuns. Like the partition of India/Pakistan. Like the partition of Sudan/South Sudan. Like the partition of Pakistan/Bangladesh. Like Kosovo. Things will never go back to the same again and the moment you accept that and try to fit in the Pakistani fabric and not ruin the chances of the rest of the Pashtuns by having them labelled traitors the better. And remember no race can forget a partition.

And please. Being secular or liberal does not make me a traitor to the land my forefathers made with their toil and blood. You are a traitor to your forefathers.

You will never see why it is idiocy to accept the sacrifices of your ancestors before 1893 but totally ignore their sacrifices up till 1947 and ongoing for Pakistan. It is a crime and rape of history. You are ignoring parts of history for your own gains.

[haviZsultan]

Apparently...i am also feeling bad here...but i think it wd be best if i stay here...and apparently i dont care for what you think of me...coz i know what ll come out of your mouth next like shadow.

Pashtun_rise. Please do stay here. You don't know how badly these people had been bullying us.

They have improved a great deal trust me... otherwise their response to being showed the mirror would be so filled with abuse that there was no discussion to be had.

Its like the Pakistani Pashtuns here are in rout. I want to rally them. Everyone of us who leaves makes the task much harder for people like me.

Others have also told me... just ignore the foul mouthed Afghans yaar. But the question is why ignore them? Why not show them that there is another side to what they are spewing?

Pashtun_rise please stay. I am totally alone here. Arooj don't post much and you are the only one posting beside me. The rest have all escaped. Also I will give you a link to another forum sometime later. There is a guy known as son of mountains. His history is like mine though he is purer Pashtun than me and his history is more confirmed than mine. You can ask him what they did to literally hundreds of Pakistani Pashtuns.

I tried to convince him to come back but they bullied him so badly he will never come back. The problem is this is weakening our opinions. We are already under-represented even though we all know we are the majority in Pakistan. It's harder to explain this to the Afghan when there are people like Toramana here leading both lar and bar Pashtuns to suicide.

A Pashtun forum cannot be one where the views of the Pakistani Pashtun aren't present at all. It leaves a bad impression and allows the brainwashing of many others.

[Pukhtoon007]

Also I have been the first to speak out against discriminatory law. Start a petition against the FCR and I will be the first to sign it. But as I said its the same problem... not limited to Pashtuns. We aren't concentrating on the right issues. FATA would have gotten the right to vote much earlier had we stood up for the right issues. Pakhtunkhwa would be renamed much earlier if we had stood up for the right issues.

Its childish to believe that you have been "oppressed for 60 years"
Its only today the situation has turned to **** because of terrorism. "

HAD we overthrown the iron amir we WOULD OF HAD pukhtoonistan alot earlier but we PUKHTOONS havent forgotten about it and we WILL get it.


see what i did there,

also dude to kill you off from this forum your true colors just came out.

Its childish to believe that you have been "oppressed for 60 years"

so you finally accept your not pukhtoon. lol all i wanted to hear. goodluck you will be ignored from today on.

[haviZsultan]

i see day by day Pashtuns waking up and realising that Pakistan is destroying their culture ever since 1947 and was brainwashing them in the name of jinah and gando history.

nwo that they are realising this and waking up people like havizgado and napak rise are getting frusterated that people wont buy their jeewey jeewey.

why would Pashtuns want to support such a napak state which calls lahore heera mandi as centre of culture and calls pukhtunkhwa a place of terroism.

say no to napak invaders.

From the way Pashtun_rise was welcoming to Afghans when came here and has understood their real face it seems Pashtuns are waking up to something else. Something other than what you claim.

The terrorism situation is temporary. It dies down the Pashtuns will again be taking full part in Pakistan. As my book states the war on terror has become cover for many atrocities in the name of both religion and by the army which should immediately stop.

Imran is right that when army is used in your own areas it creates only alienation and thats what its done. Liberal's like Toramana think ISI is playing a double game due to its failures and conservatives feel Muslims are being killed.

The ultimate victors of course are Pashtun Nationalists as proven by ANP's election. But mark my words this is a temporary situation. Allah is not so cruel that our prayers will go unanswered. There will be peace in Pakhtunkhwa and I hope it becomes the culutral capital of not just the Pashtuns (which it already is-while Afghanistan is in ruin) but also of Pakistan.

And don't worry Pashtun_rise. The majority of the members abusing Pakistan are Afghans as is shadowgovernor.
Though I cannot explain to you how much the members who claim to be from Pakhtunkhwa and abuse Pakistan worry me. I have served Pakistanis my entire life and worked for many Nationalist groups but never have I felt more despondent or have considered my efforts come to naught than when I came on this forum and heard people claiming to be from Pakhtunkhwa abusing Pakistan like it wasn't their country. It makes me feel I have done nothing, makes me feel like a stack of straw... useless.

It is easy to believe all people are nationalist when you immerse yourself in the Nationalist world... only to know otherwise... so you would know Pashtun_rise how hard this is for me as a Pakistani Nationalist who has stayed in an environment where Pakistan is rarely criticized. Please stay here and support me. This is my request from a Pakistani to a Pakistani, from a Pashtun to a Pashtun albeit a weak one I may be...

[Khostai]

revolutionthroughreason adn khostai themselves are not welcome in AFG or other Pashtun lands so what they say is irrelevant and they portray an atheistic/external view.

someone who calls Pashtuns bearded monkies and someone who constantly talks trash against pashtuns by trying to give legitimacy to propaganda and never ever been to pashtun lands are just barking dogs.

Yewa sterga ba dey jarey aw bela ba dey khandey kho Pukhtane ba yaw keygey.

I traveled to Afghanistan 2 years ago and planing to go the next summer again.
Have you ever visited Afghanistan? I don't think so, becuase you are not an Afghan, or a Pashtun, you will be denied to Afghanistan and that frustate you so bad LOL. That's why you tell lies about me and Rev. I bet Rev even when he is half Pashtun and is brought up in foreign land he would fit perfectly in Afghanistan and would get along whith everyone there, but peopel like you will cry on the first day, you wil cry about how you miss your pornographic rapsongs on tv, LOL
Do us and the whole mankid a favor and kill your self. Monkey boy.


And by the way, I only call your talib wagschie animals the bearded monkeys, I never called regular Afghans monkeys, so don't tell lies like you always do....

[Blue Flower]

To Havi

Dear Havi the idea of this forum is to bring Pakhtuns together , so they can share their origin , culture, history, good & bad times. But i have seen u defending the Status Quo all the time knowing that this part of the world has shifted its border lines all the time.

Therefore misunderstanding is happening between us and our afghan cousins, and if any change has to take place it will be seen at its proper time.
As a Pakistani Pakhtun i know the loyality level of the people towards their origin and the state where they live, and if u think that our Pakistani Nationalism is so weak that u have to engage in a fight with everyone to make it stronger it is up to u

[Arooj Khan]

havizsultan is not Pashtun and is delusional.
he thinks pashtuns will fight another pashtun for jinah sake.

pashtun rise is another fool from the other forum.
arooj khan is also from that forum.

i can name them all if you want.

these guys cant open their mouth or show their agenda in real life as they do here.

but this does help pashtun unity because now Pashtuns law aw bar can see what their enemies are planning.

Clap for Shadowgoverner see how intelligent he is lol.SO Mr. intelligent would you please mention the names of forums to which i belong to or Havi or Pashtun rise . I 'm impatiently waiting for that . Ma kho wayal che laka musalman shly ye kho galata wom no taso bia agha
harkatona shoro kro .you again disappointed me


And one thing more pakhtun sare kho pa drano khabaro bandy khaista
khkarii you used this word(dala)once before for TORAMANA and now you
are addressing a lady(pashtun rise) with the same word .I think you are
either unaware of its meaning or its your fav. word and if so then use it
again n again in your poetry for your ownself and set it as ur signature .so, that everyone here enjoys your literary taste .

[Arooj Khan]

Han aqal hai...pr tumharay indian govt ko aqal jitni jaldi ajay utna behtar hai...


Kharab mulk hai...humay pasand hai q k is ma pashtuns k b ilaqay hain....afghans ko meeti baton se bevakof bana sktay ho...humay nhi....or hm apni sarzameen k lia akhri dam tk larangay....agr kisi ne ankh b utha kr dekha.Apnay mazi ko yad rkhna chahya...


Afghanistan k lia bara josh ubal raha hai khariat? Pashto to khair se apko b nhi ati...

Aqal hi to hai...jbhi to kisi ki side b nhi latay...han izat zaror krtay hain baron ki...ISI ne jo kia...vo b sb ko pata hai....WAD,KHAD,KGB ne jo kia vo b malom hai... or RAW jo kr rhi hai vo b hm jantay hain...Sirf pak ko target banana ...aqalmandi nhi hai...Ap b apna hissa dalain aman k pagham ma....teeli na lagain...warna vo din to door nahi k afghanis ko humaray pas ana hi parayga...

Wah wah wah kia baat he dil khush ker dia .App ne tu issy aisi aisi jagha thaper raseed key k na dikhey bany or na chupaey bany haha .jabhi mei kahou k Mr.maha bharti gaib q hai ?? halanke dose to kafi tareky se dia he app ne laikin pata nhi us k ley overdose q sabit ho gia .esy kehty hai
"REALLITY SLAPS" . Ye bichary tu pehly din se hi PAKISTAN ko naqshy se
mitany ki baat kerty hen ,in ke aik nam nehad ashiq ne aik film mei fermaya
tha "k agr hindustan k har ghr se aik aik lota pani bahaya jaey tu ye mulk
us mei beh kar naqshy se mit jaey ga hahaha nhi janty k in ke taddi dil
foj apna khoon baha kar bhi or sar kata kar bhi es ka kuch nhi begar sski .

[KGODB]

this is not Muhajirforums.com, take your urdu elsewhere

[KGODB]

Lar and Bar can only unite if Pakistan dissolves, as long as Pakistan exists, any union of Lar and Bar will be at the expense of Bar Pashtuns, and will lead to full scale Desi-zation of Pashtuns

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

Lar and Bar can only unite if Pakistan dissolves, as long as Pakistan exists, any union of Lar and Bar will be at the expense of Bar Pashtuns, and will lead to full scale Desi-zation of Pashtuns

What makes you think Afghans will lose their ghairat and adopt that "choda pandra" type of Pashto from Peshawar?