My questions to Jana,

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Afridi Roara

Not just this, Punjab has refused to do operation against its militants. This is clearly double standards and Pakistan only wants to save its Punjab.

Kind Regards

Maseed they need those militants and the pml(n) there have political affiliations with them. Not to forget a Pashtunkhwa type operation is something panjab won't stomach and they will probably protest their streets like they have done previously. It is funny, if ANP or PKMAP had such relations they would leave no stones unturned to go after them. However it is always different when it is in their backyard. I am not that concerned about their panjabi militants as the more they ignore them the more it will fire back on them. If america and Britain can suffer policy blowback, pak establishment will as well, they are not angels.

[Son of Mountains]

i agree with Jana in every talk
The people here trying to prove themselves hardcore pashtun nationalists (lol) are actually sitting outside the pashtunkhwa/Afghankhwa and just talk and condemn pakistan.
Pakistan is the country where I got education, job, status and everything, so why should I hate my country
secondly, there are millions of Pashtuns love pakistan (and serve pakistan in army and ISI).....so why should I be the Indian agent

LONG LOVE PAKISTAN!
Pakistan ZindaBaad

[tor_khan]

i agree with Jana in every talk
The people here trying to prove themselves hardcore pashtun nationalists (lol) are actually sitting outside the pashtunkhwa/Afghankhwa and just talk and condemn pakistan.
Pakistan is the country where I got education, job, status and everything, so why should I hate my country
secondly, there are millions of Pashtuns love pakistan (and serve pakistan in army and ISI).....so why should I be the Indian agent

LONG LOVE PAKISTAN!
Pakistan ZindaBaad

We can all finger-point, but I don't truly understand the "automatic" connection between Pashtoon nationalism and being an Indian agent.

[Millatpal Noorzai]

i agree with Jana in every talk
The people here trying to prove themselves hardcore pashtun nationalists (lol) are actually sitting outside the pashtunkhwa/Afghankhwa and just talk and condemn pakistan.
Pakistan is the country where I got education, job, status and everything, so why should I hate my country
secondly, there are millions of Pashtuns love pakistan (and serve pakistan in army and ISI).....so why should I be the Indian agent

LONG LOVE PAKISTAN!
Pakistan ZindaBaad

A few stooges serving in Military,ISI and civil affairs could justify the six decade lasting miseries,backwardness and deprivation of basic needs for 40+ Million Pashtuns living in Pakistan?

"Pakistan is the country where I got education, job, status and everything, so why should I hate my country"

Jinnah was raised and got education in Great Britian plus had all the privileges of that era available to him,yet still revolted against Britts and wanted his native land to be free.I guess he was more Namak Halala than most of the "PATHANS" licking Pakistani shoes today.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

We can all finger-point, but I don't truly understand the "automatic" connection between Pashtoon nationalism and being an Indian agent.

It's an automatic defense mechanism. You oppose them so you have to be vile. And what's worse than an Indian agent?

They exploit Bachaa Khan's connections with the Congress Party, by the way.

[Nokia_Apridy]

1. well thank you NO i dont need to invite anyone to defend me because i can defend myself well....

Da tolay khbray yo pala awo da awa karkha (line) bala JANA Sallooooot

[BLS_1919v2.0]

i agree with Jana in every talk
The people here trying to prove themselves hardcore pashtun nationalists (lol) are actually sitting outside the pashtunkhwa/Afghankhwa and just talk and condemn pakistan.
Pakistan is the country where I got education, job, status and everything, so why should I hate my country
secondly, there are millions of Pashtuns love pakistan (and serve pakistan in army and ISI).....so why should I be the Indian agent

LONG LOVE PAKISTAN!
Pakistan ZindaBaad

Ok Son of Mountains...one can put the same blame on the likes that defend Pakistan. I mean after all the ones here who are defending Pakistan are generally from areas that were not bombed and destroyed by army or ISI. Like Maseed said here before, when it comes to your area (I pray it never comes btw) then we will see who is the Indian agent and who is the lover of Pakistan. I knew many Pashtuns from swat and other areas that did jeevae jeevae but when they saw what the army and ISI did, they hated it even more than me. BTW I don't hate Pakistan, I just don't see it acting in my interests (pashtuns) nor do I accept its premise and ideology. For that matter, India's stance to the durand line prior to partition was just as bad as Pakistan's, so I won't defend them either.

[Michin Khel]

It seems that only cursing and abusing pakistan and pakistanis will make you a good pashtun and member on this forum, if such is the criterea then i afraid i am not fullfilling it. Members here seem to derive some sort of spirtual or perhaps orgasmic pleasure from reading anti-pakistani porn. I am not cursing pakistan so as a gift my pashtuniyat is questioned, some is asking whether i support ISI and another one is calling me "luufy jinnah" and "hindkomar". You can earn highest number of "thanks" by just calling names to pakistan. A member of month here is openly insulting peshawaris yet he is with highest number of thanks, he is sort of hero of PF perhaps due to his expert abusing and cursing of pakistan. This makeen maseed guy has tried his luck on every pashtun forum and has got banned multiple times, yet he is suviving here with respectful and prestigious position?
In this thread i have paid thanks to jana for her calm-headed, decent and mature replies not for her ideology. Yet she is treated and questioned as if a bloody enemy has arrived. For God sake this is a disscusion forum not a Pakistan vs afghanistan battle arena.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

It seems that only cursing and abusing pakistan and pakistanis will make you a good pashtun and member on this forum, if such is the criterea then i afraid i am not fullfilling it. Members here seem to derive some sort of spirtual or perhaps orgasmic pleasure from reading anti-pakistani porn. I am not cursing pakistan so as a gift my pashtuniyat is questioned, some is asking whether i support ISI and another one is calling me "luufy jinnah" and "hindkomar". You can earn highest number of "thanks" by just calling names to pakistan. A member of month here is openly insulting peshawaris yet he is with highest number of thanks, he is sort of hero of PF perhaps due to his expert abusing and cursing of pakistan. This makeen maseed guy has tried his luck on every pashtun forum and has got banned multiple times, yet he is suviving here with respectful and prestigious position?
In this thread i have paid thanks to jana for her calm-headed, decent and mature replies not for her ideology. Yet she is treated and questioned as if a bloody enemy has arrived. For God sake this is a disscusion forum not a Pakistan vs afghanistan battle arena.

Luffy to be fair, Jana came on as if she was on a battlefield on a crusade to prove us wrong. She came forward to bring her view, and many pashtuns disagreed (majority btw are from Pashtunkhwa, so it isn't a pakistan vs Afghanistan thing) Now Makeen may at times get ahead of himself, but considering that his home and land has been destroyed at the hands of pak army and ISI, I doubt one can call it anti-pakistani statements or "orgasmic pelasure". This is also a double standard with people, that if it was a palestinian against Israel, you would not have called it "orgasmic pleasure" or "anti-pakistani messages". However, if a pashtunkhwa pashtun does it, it is dubbed over the top.

[Jana]

1. well thank you NO i dont need to invite anyone to defend me because i can defend myself well....

Da tolay khbray yo pala awo da awa karkha (line) bala JANA Sallooooot

manana manana. Akhir Pukhtana/Pushtana yam sa gup kho na day

[Shayesta]

BLS,
Answer me this. How come Afghans did not do anything against the Taliban when they ruled them for 5-6 years?

Who told you they didn't? Only area gaining peace was the South and peace was all they got! No educational material, no growing business, no nothing! The North of the country was burning, people started to hate the fact of Pukhto and Pukhtoons! The difference here is that Taliban got help from various countries, while minorities were left with no help at all!

The people here trying to prove themselves hardcore pashtun nationalists (lol) are actually sitting outside the pashtunkhwa/Afghankhwa and just talk and condemn pakistan.

Whether we are in Pakhtunkhwa or Westernkhwa, that doesn't mean we should close our eyes to the facts and say 'it's okay' to whatever is happening to Pukhtoons back home.

Pakistan is the country where I got education, job, status and everything,

UK is the country I got my job, education, home, etcetera. But does this deny the fact it has been this very same country which divided Pukhtoons into two parts in first place?

so why should I hate my country

None is asking you to hate your country, people are asking you to accept the political facts about your country and it's flaws. Now don't start by saying 'as if Afghanistan doesn't have any political flaw' because we know that by now, just look at what your government's policies is doing to your Pakhtunkhwa and always has been doing. No wonder I hear every Pakistani praise entire Pakistan as per development, beauty and etcetera while Pakhtunkhwa is never mentioned.

secondly, there are millions of Pashtuns love pakistan (and serve pakistan in army and ISI).....

Pukhtoons serving in the army are in thousands, not millions. Cheers. And there are also plenty of Hazaras serving in Afghan army, but that doesn't mean that till today's date their rights are not being oppressed in Afghanistan.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

It seems that only cursing and abusing pakistan and pakistanis will make you a good pashtun and member on this forum, if such is the criterea then i afraid i am not fullfilling it. Members here seem to derive some sort of spirtual or perhaps orgasmic pleasure from reading anti-pakistani porn. I am not cursing pakistan so as a gift my pashtuniyat is questioned, some is asking whether i support ISI and another one is calling me "luufy jinnah" and "hindkomar". You can earn highest number of "thanks" by just calling names to pakistan. A member of month here is openly insulting peshawaris yet he is with highest number of thanks, he is sort of hero of PF perhaps due to his expert abusing and cursing of pakistan. This makeen maseed guy has tried his luck on every pashtun forum and has got banned multiple times, yet he is suviving here with respectful and prestigious position?
In this thread i have paid thanks to jana for her calm-headed, decent and mature replies not for her ideology. Yet she is treated and questioned as if a bloody enemy has arrived. For God sake this is a disscusion forum not a Pakistan vs afghanistan battle arena.

Dear Luffy Sahib

From my experience with Pashtuns, Ive always sensed some kind of upper classism with people from Peshawer. You are a great example, I know why you call tribal people as backward minded etc because that is what is taught to you by your Pakistani Professors in Pechkawer, People from Peshawer have a very strong bias towards those from the Tribal Region, I dont know why, Maybe you like Peshawer, since its ruled by Hindkomars and the majority are so P.a.k.i.fied and desfied, look at their attans and you will see the fingers jump up and down. I have nothing against you, I just would love you to vist my village, its called Tawda Cheena, South Waziristan,and you will see all the homes flattened and nothing is left, and then you will realise reality, you can bring Jana along with you and you will see why i hate your Paaakiiistan very much and wish for its destruction by any means.

Kind Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Who told you they didn't? Only area gaining peace was the South and peace was all they got! No educational material, no growing business, no nothing! The North of the country was burning, people started to hate the fact of Pukhto and Pukhtoons! The difference here is that Taliban got help from various countries, while minorities were left with no help at all!


Whether we are in Pakhtunkhwa or Westernkhwa, that doesn't mean we should close our eyes to the facts and say 'it's okay' to whatever is happening to Pukhtoons back home.


UK is the country I got my job, education, home, etcetera. But does this deny the fact it has been this very same country which divided Pukhtoons into two parts in first place?


None is asking you to hate your country, people are asking you to accept the political facts about your country and it's flaws. Now don't start by saying 'as if Afghanistan doesn't have any political flaw' because we know that by now, just look at what your government's policies is doing to your Pakhtunkhwa and always has been doing. No wonder I hear every Pakistani praise entire Pakistan as per development, beauty and etcetera while Pakhtunkhwa is never mentioned.


Pukhtoons serving in the army are in thousands, not millions. Cheers. And there are also plenty of Hazaras serving in Afghan army, but that doesn't mean that till today's date their rights are not being oppressed in Afghanistan.

Those so called Millions of Pashtuns who love Pakistan are those who live in Europe and the west. If they saw the reality of whats going on, they will turn worser than me.

Kind Regards

[Jana]

Those so called Millions of Pashtuns who love Pakistan are those who live in Europe and the west. If they saw the reality of whats going on, they will turn worser than me.

Kind Regards

Would you care to provide some solid statistics how many millions Pakistani Pashtuns living in Europe and West ??

[Jana]

Dear Luffy Sahib

From my experience with Pashtuns, Ive always sensed some kind of upper classism with people from Peshawer. You are a great example, I know why you call tribal people as backward minded etc because that is what is taught to you by your Pakistani Professors in Pechkawer, People from Peshawer have a very strong bias towards those from the Tribal Region, I dont know why, Maybe you like Peshawer, since its ruled by Hindkomars and the majority are so P.a.k.i.fied and desfied, look at their attans and you will see the fingers jump up and down.

Lolzz if Wali Khan, Asfandyar wali and other Pashtuns currently ruling KP are hindokumar lolzzz then well what can i say about your misconception.

Sikhs are the only nation which have ruled over Pashtun areas so it also beaks some myths (though it really is a sad thing for me )


2. There is NO upper classism in the people of Peshawar/Pekhawar, we are as much Pashtuns as anyone from FATA.

3. Most of our professors here are Pashtuns so i dont know what is your take. For your information we are not taught any classism. Many Pashtuns from FATA are studying in the institutes in Peshawar so your lame argument is not valid.

4. Backwardness is a phenom which could be used for many things in cities too.

I have nothing against you, I just would love you to vist my village, its called Tawda Cheena, South Waziristan,and you will see all the homes flattened and nothing is left, and then you will realise reality, , you can bring Jana along with you and you will see why i hate your Paaakiiistan very much and wish for its destruction by any means.

You are confused on the one hand you are blabbering that we are not launching operation in North Waziristan while on the other hand you are grinning about the operation in SW.


First you should decide what you want.

As far as hating Pakistan then why dont you go somewhere else. you want to eat, read, write, use electricity free of charges in Pakistan but oh yeh well you are still grinning.


Its not our problem please check there are some faults at your end too