Who's The Problem?

[Dinosaur Khan]

Dear zalmay Congress was the favourite boy of British not muslim leauge. Because of this favouritism of british towards congress, muslim league suffered alot. Pakistan lost its entire gurduspur division, ferozpur and batala districts which were all muslim-magority areas. Assam, murshidabad and lucknow went to india thanks to british.
Kashmir despite with 96% muslim magority had to suffer indian occupation because british was siding with them.

[Dinosaur Khan]

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why are you so patriotic towards Pakistan? What is your reasons?

No, i am not that much patriotic who waves green flags enthusiastically, i believe in rationality and truth. I am aware what is wrong in pakistan and what is not. I am not a blind hater of pakistan nor i am a blind lover of it. when i see that facts are twisted i prefer to correct it whether they are about pashtuns or general pakistanis.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Dear zalmay Congress was the favourite boy of British not muslim leauge. Because of this favouritism of british towards congress, muslim league suffered alot.

You've made this statement but you deliberately ignored two facts that I raised which prove the Muslim League's concubine status: their acceptance to form the government of India during the Quit India Movement and the second clause of their charter, which said that the Muslim League's aim is to promote Muslim loyalty towards the British Raj. I've emboldened and underlined the text and put it in red so that you don't miss it this time.

Making vague statements whose origins lie in Pakistan Studies books is a nonsensical way of argument. You have to provide facts - evidence.

Pakistan lost its entire gurduspur division, ferozpur and batala districts which were all muslim-magority areas. Assam, murshidabad and lucknow went to india thanks to british.

You do know that Muslims only constitute 1/5th or 20% of Lucknow's population, right? Assam also has a vast Hindu majority and the Assamese people are nationalist and not fundamentalist - they do not want to be divided among religious lines.

As for Gurdaspur and Ferozpur, you've clearly not heard the arguments from the other side... which is typical of Pakistani supporters - they cover their eyes and ears when opposing voices are raised. Pakistan already had three routes to Kashmir via Muree, Rawalpindi and and Sialkot so please don't give me the argument that India was given roads to Kashmir while Pakistan was not. Moreover, if Gurdaspur, Ferozpur, etc with 50-51% Muslim populations were given to Pakistan, the remaining 49% (a huge number by any measure) would've had to become refugees.

Here, read the entire argument - enlighten yourself.

Kashmir despite with 96% muslim magority had to suffer indian occupation because british was siding with them.

Jammu and Kashmir had a 71% Muslim population and not 96%. Moreover, the people that did eventually liberate a portion of Kashmir are now being bombed by the Pakistani armed forces.

Moreover, the Muslim League accepted the three conditions of partition:

a) Muslim-majority provinces were to go to Pakistan.
b) Punjab and Bengal were to be partitioned.
c) The rulers of princely states would decide the fate of their domains.

And when the Maharaja of Kashmir, Hari Singh, exercised option 'c,' (an option already agreed to as valid and true) the Muslim League cried foul.

[karachipashtun]

Levanaye Zalmaye,
I have been studying your posts and I cant seem to grasp your concept on Pashtuns.

Do you expect us to Join Afghanistan? Create an Independent state?

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Levanaye Zalmaye,
I have been studying your posts and I cant seem to grasp your concept on Pashtuns.

Do you expect us to Join Afghanistan? Create an Independent state?

I believe Pakistan is a temporary entity, just like the Mughals and the British Raj that preceded it. I also believe that Pakistan is not in the best interests of Pashtuns.

As for joining Afghanistan or creating a new state, I believe that first and foremost, Pashtuns should establish schools, hospitals, industries, commerce, transport, etc in their own backward and deliberately ignored areas and then think about macro-political solutions. If Pakistan, with its actions and not words, shows that it is in favor of Pashtuns by giving us our due rights, I will be the first to support it. Up till now, it has shown only the opposite.

[karachipashtun]

How can you say it is the opposite? We Pashtuns have held prominent positions in Pakistan. We are nearly 40percent in the Army, most of CIA is Pashtun.

In Karachi, Pashtuns play a huge role, Transportation,telecommunications,Restaurants are mostly owned by Pashtuns(Afghans).

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

How can you say it is the opposite? We Pashtuns have held prominent positions in Pakistan. We are nearly 40percent in the Army, most of CIA is Pashtun.

In Karachi, Pashtuns play a huge role, Transportation,telecommunications,Restaurants are mostly owned by Pashtuns(Afghans).

Pashtuns represent 15% of Pakistan's total population. Therefore, this arrangement is not in their favor.

As for the conditions of Karachi, like I posted before, I've lived here all my life. I know the ground reality. Hundreds of Pashtuns were driven out of their shops and restaurants last year from Mohajir areas. The ANP did nothing. Yes, Pashtuns drive buses and rickshaws - and that's nothing to be proud of.

And Pashtuns own dhaabas and chai-shops whereas Memons and Mohajirs own 5-star hotels and restaurants in Zamzama, Gulshan-e-Iqbal, all over DHA and Karsaz, Clifton, etc.

And are you actually proud of the fact that Pashtun sipahis salute their brown sahibs from central Punjab (Kiyani for one) so fervently?

[SwatiTheBrave1]

This Forum is Full of our Traitors who eat In Pakistan who drink in Pakistan who live in Pakistan who work in Pakistan and then they Go out and work against the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for Hindus and those who won't stand a Chance to Destroy this Nation.

If you do not Like Pakistan and its Army which aims at protection then **** off !

[BLS_1919v2.0]

This Forum is Full of our Traitors who eat In Pakistan who drink in Pakistan who live in Pakistan who work in Pakistan and then they Go out and work against the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for Hindus and those who won't stand a Chance to Destroy this Nation.

If you do not Like Pakistan and its Army which aims at protection then **** off !

Listen kid, we are not traitors to Pashtuns/Afghans, nor to Islam. If you mean we should let our people be destroyed by this british made army to please you, then you are lost swati. Swati dasae khabarae kae che khalk hairaan shee. Was my tribe homeless or starving before Pakistan? Before 1969, my people lived perfectly fine before Pakistan. SO we do not owe our work, our drink, our food or shelter to Pakistan. Rather it is the state and army of Pakistan which owes its existence from taking the wealth of Pashtunkhwa, baloch and sindhis. Not to mention the money America throws at you guys lolzz. Khudae ao Qur'an tha ogoraa.

And we don't base our identity and existence on hindus vs pakistan, we are Pashtuns/Afghans and muslims, that is enough for us. We don't need your british made state to validate our life or livelihood. BTW answer our questions. I guess you can't, because you can't substantiate an iota of what you are saying. As typical to the super pakistani defenders, they resort to this cheap talk which you did.

[SwatiTheBrave1]

I believe Pakistan is a temporary entity,

Did you hear that from your Mother ?

just like the Mughals and the British Raj that preceded it. I also believe that Pakistan is not in the best interests of Pashtuns.

You are F****g idiot who do not know that Mughals came from Afghanistan.

Are you an Indian ???

As for joining Afghanistan or creating a new state, I believe that first and foremost, Pashtuns should establish schools, hospitals, industries, commerce, transport, etc in their own backward and deliberately ignored areas and then think about macro-political solutions. If Pakistan.

This is the Answer to the propaganda you have been learning from your Cow Piss drinker Masters.

United Afpak to Kick Indians out !

with its actions and not words, shows that it is in favor of Pashtuns by giving us our due rights, I will be the first to support it. Up till now, it has shown only the opposite.

Well well ..... You are not only an idiot but also you have been drinking for some while haven't you ?

Pakistan Provides Full rights to its all citizens without discrimination and if some idiot thinks that its this way it wont change the Realities .

Post me a Neutral database if you have some , Not your Indian Sources .

[karachipashtun]

Pashtuns represent 15% of Pakistan's total population. Therefore, this arrangement is not in their favor.

As for the conditions of Karachi, like I posted before, I've lived here all my life. I know the ground reality. Hundreds of Pashtuns were driven out of their shops and restaurants last year from Mohajir areas. The ANP did nothing. Yes, Pashtuns drive buses and rickshaws - and that's nothing to be proud of.

And Pashtuns own dhaabas and chai-shops whereas Memons and Mohajirs own 5-star hotels and restaurants in Zamzama, Gulshan-e-Iqbal, all over DHA and Karsaz, Clifton, etc.

And are you actually proud of the fact that Pashtun sipahis salute their brown sahibs from central Punjab (Kiyani for one) so fervently?

wrora,

I just disagree with some of the things you are saying. I think we are fine with Pakistan.

[SwatiTheBrave1]

Listen kid, we are not traitors to Pashtuns/Afghans, nor to Islam. If you mean we should let our people be destroyed by this british made army to please you, then you are lost swati. Swati dasae khabarae kae che khalk hairaan shee. Was my tribe homeless or starving before Pakistan? Before 1969, my people lived perfectly fine before Pakistan. SO we do not owe our work, our drink, our food or shelter to Pakistan. Rather it is the state and army of Pakistan which owes its existence from taking the wealth of Pashtunkhwa, baloch and sindhis. Not to mention the money America throws at you guys lolzz. Khudae ao Qur'an tha ogoraa.

And we don't base our identity and existence on hindus vs pakistan, we are Pashtuns/Afghans and muslims, that is enough for us. We don't need your british made state to validate our life or livelihood. BTW answer our questions. I guess you can't, because you can't substantiate an iota of what you are saying. As typical to the super pakistani defenders, they resort to this cheap talk which you did.

wow BTW why do you/your relatives still live in Pakistan , I mean if you do not like get a God damn fishing boat and sail to a country where you like to ?

Pakistan is bad so why don't you Leave !

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Swati are you for real? I think even my 6 year old cousin makes more sense than you. For God's sake stop with your gibberish and answer the points we put forward. And no, don't waste our time with your useless attacks. By you saying indian this hindu that, won't make it so.

Listen that is my home before pakistan was even an idea (those were the days). I am a esepzye/yousafzai Afghan/pashtun of Shanglae. We have been there for 16 generations. Who are you super pakistanis to tell me to move out of my home? The home my forefathers fought to defend, while muslim leaguers were busy defending the british. What a joke.

[Admin Khan]

Guys,
I am very tolerant and quite lenient to be honest, So I have a request, Keep this civil.

If you can not reply or post a rebuttal without cursing, don't post.

[SwatiTheBrave1]

Guys,
I am very tolerant and quite lenient to be honest, So I have a request, Keep this civil.

If you can not reply or post a rebuttal without cursing, don't post.

Admin , i must admit i am being harsh but i would have to because some "Secret" Indians are trolling and talking about Breaking Pakistan up.

Why wont i defend a nation i am loyal to and why would i listen to indian cyber army trying to create havok in Pakistan.

you tell what would i bear ?