My reaction on Soldat Amir (An apostate Pashtun nationalist and house-negro) in Pasht

[roadrunner]

Roadrunner,

no one was massacring the Pashtuns.

The Northern Alliance wasn´t even able to get into Maidan Shar 20 km away from Kabul, let the Pashtun heartland alone.

Noone was massacring the Pashtuns is precisely my point. If Pakistan did not arm the Pashtuns, the Northern Alliance armed by Iran and Russia would have massacred the Pashtuns on their way towards the East and South.

[یاسمینه]

You guys who like talking about politics, religion and history, you all should carefully read the discussion between Barakzai Abdali and Mostafa and learn from them. They don't necessarily agree with each other in everything yet they are able to discuss and respect each other's views. Ah, and they don't need to insult each other. Such discussions don't happen often on this forum.

Thank you, it was a real pleasure to read your posts.

[JattApache]

I have read soldat_amir's posts

I agree with some of his views ( about suicide bombing, talibans etc.... )

But unfortunately, he likes to generalize

And he is obviously racist against turkish and arab people.

And he is wrong about ISI

ISI supported talibans during the soviet war

Today , TTP talibans are obviously the ennemies of Pakistani army and ISI.

You can't deny that.
We have seen it in SWAT and SOUTH WAZIRISTAN

Pak army is fighting the TALIBANS !!!!

[Afghanistan2010]

single post of you that im agreed upon.

[haviZsultan]

so you wouldnt have armed the pashtuns and let them get massacred by the northern alliance?

Roadrunner what dictators like Zia Ul Haq needed to understand, still need to understand, in fact even now is that you simply do not interfere in another country. Pakistanis and Pakistani Pashtuns felt love and brotherhood with the Afghan people (for many reasons: main one which was we are all so called 'Muslim'). That is why we stumbled into Afghanistan when we shouldn't have. Of course if USA is urging us to do something we just can't resist which has always been our problem.

After 4 Million Afghans were killed in that war and the civil war because we thought it fit to interfere the Afghans don't really like us, especially Northern Alliance supporters. I have never heard an Afghan, Pashtun or otherwise say anything good about Pakistan. What did Pakistan gain by getting involved in a war there. We have to ask ourselves this fundamental question.

Pakistan has to declare itself neutral to whatever goes on in Afghanistan. Taliban, no-Taliban its not our business. Let the Afghans decide. Our sympathy for the Afghan people did nothing but distance us two brothers.

Today it hasn't only affected Pashtuns on that side. Its affected our side too. Pashtuns are frustrated in South Waziristan and Swat and are questioning past government policies and feel alienated. The army is incapable of fighting conventional war and causes damage to Pashtun houses and lives. Pakistan is losing.

That is why I have constantly been saying Pakistan government has to pay attention to what the Pashtun wants or it will alienate the Pashtun.

[MostafaM]

Noone was massacring the Pashtuns is precisely my point. If Pakistan did not arm the Pashtuns, the Northern Alliance armed by Iran and Russia would have massacred the Pashtuns on their way towards the East and South.

You seem to be clueless about Pashtuns.

Pashtun tribes, specially south and south-east of Kabul are and always were armed to the teeth.

The Northern Alliance couldn´t even take on the outskirts of Kabul in 2001 after American B-52 bombers had cleared their way and you are making propaganda for the Pakistani intervention in Afghanistan by declaring it "helping Pashtuns".

If Pakistan cared about Pashtuns, it should have built schools, unis and infrarstructure in KPK and FATA. While ISI general´s children were studying in Oxford, Pashtuns were indoctrinated in madrassas.

It was about installing a Pakistan-friendly regime in Kabul and NOT about Pashtuns and their fate. It was more about undermining the Pashtun cause by Islamic Internationalism.....

[Soldat_Amir]

I have read soldat_amir's posts

I agree with some of his views ( about suicide bombing, talibans etc.... )

Thanks, that's great news.

But unfortunately, he likes to generalize

Oh really!

And he is obviously racist against turkish and arab people.

Turks and Arabs colonised my lands, so obviously I have dislike for them.

And he is wrong about ISI

First Indian to call me wrong.

ISI supported talibans during the soviet war

There was no such thing as the Taliban during the soviet war. go read a book. Pakistan was one of the only countries to recognize the Taliban and even stated that one day every nation will accept Pakistans stance on the Taliban.

Today , TTP talibans are obviously the ennemies of Pakistani army and ISI.

Pakistan is only fighting Anti State elements of the TTP, I suggest you read about Mullah Nazir, Gul Badahur, Haqqanis, Misbahudeen Mahsud and co. Plus the man who made the TTP was the student of a Mullah from the JUI party called Mullah Noor Mohammad Wazir. Run along, read a book.

You can't deny that.
We have seen it in SWAT and SOUTH WAZIRISTAN

South Waziristan Taliban under Mullah Nazir opposes attacks on Pakistan army hence the reason why Anti Pakistan elements of Hakeemullah have been booted out of Wana on orders of the political agent and Pak government.

Pak army is fighting the TALIBANS !!!!

Pak army is fighting Hakeemullah Mahsud faction of the TTP, he is not the emir of them all, each faction has their own leader and most of the TTP are not Anti Pakistan.

Plus my Indian friend, what about the Punjabi Taliban, they are also fighting Pakistan army, and your point is.

Honestly standards here.

Of Afghanistan2010 would agree with what he says, hes just as blind as they can be.

Also Bharati

Heres a gift for you



What kind of Anti Pakistani person says they will defend the border of Punjab against India, and these are the guys who are fighting Pakistani Army.

Indian friend, do not follow the foot steps of Pakistan in regards to meddling in Afg!

[Soldat_Amir]

You seem to be clueless about Pashtuns.

Pashtun tribes, specially south and south-east of Kabul are and always were armed to the teeth.

The Northern Alliance couldn´t even take on the outskirts of Kabul in 2001 after American B-52 bombers had cleared their way and you are making propaganda for the Pakistani intervention in Afghanistan by declaring it "helping Pashtuns".

If Pakistan cared about Pashtuns, it should have built schools, unis and infrarstructure in KPK and FATA. While ISI general´s children were studying in Oxford, Pashtuns were indoctrinated in madrassas.

It was about installing a Pakistan-friendly regime in Kabul and NOT about Pashtuns and their fate. It was more about undermining the Pashtun cause by Islamic Internationalism.....

You know the funny thing about this so called "we came to help Pashtun myth" is that why did the Pakistanis support non Pashtusn such as Ahmad Shah and Rabbani to overthrow Pashtun Daud Khan.

Pakistanis who promote these lies are a virus, a disease!

[Ghundal]

You guys who like talking about politics, religion and history, you all should carefully read the discussion between Barakzai Abdali and Mostafa and learn from them. They don't necessarily agree with each other in everything yet they are able to discuss and respect each other's views. Ah, and they don't need to insult each other. Such discussions don't happen often on this forum.

Thank you, it was a real pleasure to read your posts.

LOL,

Disagree?

You have Barakzai presenting a factual debate, and you have Mostafa repeatedly lying.

Whats so respectful about that type of an engagement.

He said he didn't support NATO. I showed that he did support NATO. Then he says that he "prefers NATO"

and that there is a difference between "support" for NATO and "preference" for NATO

[Ghundal]

Such is my point wrorraka, the Afghan Patriots on the ground and ex patriots who truly want to help need to understand that these supposedly patriotic Pashtun front groups like ANP/PMAP have a few legitimate members who truly want Pashtun autonomy without a remaking or an interventionalists attitude. There are some though such as this gentleman and Taj Andersen who are upset and want vengeance for Najibullah and are living in the 80s. They are hiding their true agenda of destroying the Afghan rural masses philosophies and work out agreements that will render the native Pashtuns in the same condition as the native Americans in 200 to 300 years time if these people are given their preference. You and I live fine... we do not suffer... but this is a front for sustained interventionalism.

At least we know they have failed, and that is why they can only resort to expressing their frustrations here on this forum

[badmash_khel]

NATO, Communists and other kuffar fighting and supporting their kuffar bretheren

Arabs, other muslims fighting and supporting their muslim bretheren

Whats the difference?

[JattApache]

Turks and Arabs colonised my lands, so obviously I have dislike for them.

Are you a fool ?

It was their ancestors who colonised your lands, not them !
It's not their fault !

The english colonised my lands, But I don't hate them today

The afghans colonised my lands , But I don't hate them today

[JattApache]

Btw ,

" Amir " is an arab name

So if you hate arabs, change your name !

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

Noone was massacring the Pashtuns is precisely my point. If Pakistan did not arm the Pashtuns, the Northern Alliance armed by Iran and Russia would have massacred the Pashtuns on their way towards the East and South.

lol calm down buddy

Northern Alliance would and could never pass Kabul with a weapon. We didnt need ISI training to defend our villages

[roadrunner]

lol calm down buddy

Northern Alliance would and could never pass Kabul with a weapon. We didnt need ISI training to defend our villages

the northern alliance could take kabul. I'm pretty sure if they had some state-based technology, AK-47s would not work well.

an AK-47 against an Mig is not a match. The NA would not run out of money.