Amirul Mumineen Mullah Omar Mujahid (hafidhahullah) tells his lifestory in his own vo

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but are the people helping the syrian insurgency also playing a double game like pakistan, whereby the taliban and alqaeda have been hidden in pakistan whilst pakistan also supports the u.s.? as you keep reminding us, ghundal.

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^^^ only time will tell

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i dont agree with edge in that turkey is led by an islamist government. while the hearts of people like erdogan may be in the right place, it will take more than a couple of terms in office to undo the secularist culture of the last 8 decades. erdogans party has indeed done what it can, slowly, to incorporate the kurds into mainstream turkish society, but the kurds are still not equal citizens. prostitution is still legal in turkish cities, the headscarf laws are still an issue in universities and so on. the country has generations to go, at this pace, assuming a secular party is just not voted in in the next few elections, for someone to be able to say that turkey is led by an islamic government.

what i find interesting though, is that i had this same convo with ghundal on his last sn in which i was critical of claims regarding turkey and islamic leadership, whereas ghundal took the position that edge is behind right now.

EXACTLY .....Ghundal seems to get more bipolar in every new screen name. And I would like to clarify that the Islamist government haven't undone all the injustices of the secularists ones. So I'm not sure where you extracted the position that I believe the Islamists removed all aspects of secularism or undid the vices of secularism. Personally I understand Turkey is a complicated society, the Secularists still have a strong influence there, so they can't just mahically make it all go away, but the right efforts are there.But they can't be held accountable for things that were done when they were not in power which is what Ghundal attempts.

Earlier Ghundal established Turkey are legitimate benefactors for the Syrian resistance, but now he's saying they are criminal, what lengths he will go JUST to defend the Talibs and their cooperation with Pakistan who help Americans murder Afghans. he now acknowledges Taliban's relationship with the ISI by the way, remember when he denied it as if we were telling him Santa Clause isn't real?

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Scimitar,

Whereas as I am presenting facts and sources........

Turkey avenges Kurdish attacks http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MJ21Ak01.html

Your facts and sources keep saying the same thing which debunk your argument; the only one who can't see it is you. You're broke "dawg", go fix yoiurself

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I'm still waiting for your evidence... Scimitar... Be a man do the right thing

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I'm still waiting for your evidence... Scimitar... Be a man do the right thing

I'm still waiting for you to give a list of sources you consider legitimate. when that happens You'll get evidence, and won't have the convenient scapegoat to back out of it.

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So basically, you just can't provide any authentic ... Reliable evidence..

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How do you know if I can or can't unless You can show me a list of things you accept as authentic evidence.


Ok let's do this again, would you accept Human Rights Organizations reports as authentic evidence?

Yes or no?

[Ghundal]

Your facts and sources keep saying the same thing which debunk your argument; the only one who can't see it is you. You're broke "dawg", go fix yoiurself

You said Turks are not oppressing Kurds . I have shown you they are with proof. You are now lying.

You said Wahabis are not supporting the Syrian insurgency, I showed with evidence they are.

Now show me with evidence that the above is not true. Your simply being a retard, thinking others will not notice

Give me your sources

Also, now I also want sources proving Pakistan supports Afghan insurgency, since we just assumed it so that you didn't need to prove it.

I provided sources showing that Turks are still oppressing Kurds and that Syrians are backed by Saudi Wahabis. You deny both and yet you provide no proof

Let's see the evidence

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dejavu.

[Ghundal]

Scimitar,

You have no proof of anything whereas I do. This is my facts versus your words without facts. It's that simple

I also want sources now showing that Pakistan supports Afghan insurgency, I was assuming it to be true to address your contradiction.

1) provide evidence stating that Turks are not oppressing Kurds

2) provide evidence that Saudis Wahabis are not backing Syrian insurgents

3) deny ALL the evidence I have posted proving the above two

4) prove to me with sources that Pakistan is supporting Afghan insurgency. I want to see evidence of Pakistani weapons and arms being used by the Afghan insurgency (tanks, choppers, aircraft)



Your finished and can't prove none of the above

Your ridiculous and simply can't stand losing

You simply have no case

I want word for word of my previous post and this one

Do not break the post up

[Ghundal]

So basically, you just can't provide any authentic ... Reliable evidence..

Exactly,

He can't

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The biggest support Pakistan provides the insurgency is by protecting the leaders of the Taliban and so called "Quetta Shura". I think thats support, no?

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Your facts and sources keep saying the same thing which debunk your argument; the only one who can't see it is you. You're broke "dawg", go fix yoiurself

Do not break my post up, and answer each issue

You can't just say cat is a dog and that's it

You said that Turks have stopped oppressing Kurds

I showed they are

You provide No evidence refuting it

You provide no evidence for any of your false claims

Answer that whole post

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You said Turks are not oppressing Kurds . I have shown you they are with proof. You are now lying.

Actually what you showed is they retaliated against an attack done by the PKK, FROM Iraq. Much different than oppressing the Kurds.

Retaliating an attack= not oppression

You said Wahabis are not supporting the Syrian insurgency, I showed with evidence they are.

I said Turkey are the primary benefactors.

Go ahead ....read all my quotes and show direct quotes, it's all in this thread.

, now I also want sources proving Pakistan supports Afghan insurgency, since we just assumed it so that you didn't need to prove it.

You admitted it yourself, remember?