Amirul Mumineen Mullah Omar Mujahid (hafidhahullah) tells his lifestory in his own vo

[ScimitarXEdge]

Ok buddy, I have better things to do to make up stuff all day. Like I said travel to eastern Afghanistan if you don't belief me. All my accounts are eyewitness events. Your bs is some 3rd source media outlet owned by a mega conglomerate.


"you've been debunked"

I don't know how it is in LaLa land, but closing your ears and yelling "blah" doesn't count as being debunked.

At least there's a source not some Weed Smoking New Yorker who said his Uncle told him a story once.


get real punk

[کیش]

At least there's a source not some Weed Smoking New Yorker who said his Uncle told him a story once.


get real punk

Ok buddy. I missed you while your gone but when your back i remember what kind of bald weasel you are.

You don't have any sources, those media outlets know nothing about Afghanistan. The same sources the idiot Americams have been getting feed by their government leading to the bs still going on 11 years later. hence why most Afghans that have been to Afghanistan and understand the conflict here have the same input.

What you jealous of NY; it's pretty similar to when the Quraysh was out to get the Meccan Muslims. You have the government spying on the Masjids and the University. But a coward hiding in New England wouldn't know that.


Do you want some weed? You have been obsessing over it for months. God knows you need, it's better then the Alprazolam your doctor been feeding you with.

[ScimitarXEdge]

SO you're all brave now because you smoke dope and have the FBI following you around like a lost puppy? You aren't fooling anyone squirt.

Haha the similarities aren't there at all.

YOU ARE WESTERN, everything you love is western, from your love of rap music to your "Urban New Yorker" jingoism is WESTERN. The News of the Government spying on Muslim students was in WESTERN MEDIA!!! So you use that same media!!! How hypocritical of you!

Nah I need not weed, unlike you I can HANDLE life CLEAN and Drug Free, like REAL MEN. I just recall a post you made talking about your use of it.

Don't dare try to hide behind the media scapegoat, as bad as the media CAN be; it's still 10000 times more credible than some Confused Inferiority Complex House Slave who loves Rap Music saying some stories he claims his family told him.

[Ghundal]

Scimitar,

again explain to me why you consider the Saudi Wahabi backed/AQ supported Syrian insurgency that enjoys safe havens in Kurdish oppressing Turkey acceptable?

You still refuse to address 1) Saudi Wahabi backing (the same Saudis who allegedly export Wahabism to Afghanistan), and 2) outside safe havens (in Kurdish oppressing Turkey)

Why is the Syrian insurgency continuing to fight Assad when they know his retaliatory strikes will result in mass civilian deaths? Why are they playing into the hands of Assad and falling for his trap?

Address all, and do not break it up to evade answering for the Saudi Wahabi/AQ backing the Syrian insurgency gets and the Kurdish oppressing Turkish safe havens they enjoy

[Ghundal]

And yes, my argument is a strawman Scimitar just like yours always are. If you can figure it out. Im doing exactly what what you are doing, but Im talking about the Syrian insurgency.

Do I think that the Syrian insurgency is pro-Saudi Wahabi? NO. I think it matters not one bit to them that the Saudi Wahabis are supporting their cause, and nor do I believe this same Syrian insurgency will support Saudi Arabia when protest movements take hold there.


BUT, I am using the same reasoning of thought that you use

and no, you cant use my opinion on the Syrian insurgency as evidence for you because it is YOU who claims that insurgencies that have outside safe havens and outside support have no basis whatsoever.

You can now continue to goal post change and go around in circles, try to modify or retract what you say, or try to add loaded garbage on it Truth it, I simply have shown you to contradict yourself


and wait... before you repeat the same recycled BS are NOW a good and moral nation, it is a FACT that the Turks do indeed oppress the Kurds, and last year (FACT) conducted air raids in coordination with Assads Syrian Army against the Kurds, killing scores of Kurdish civilians.

Turkey is very much like Pakistan after all

[ScimitarXEdge]

Scimitar,

again explain to me why you consider the Saudi Wahabi backed/AQ supported Syrian insurgency that enjoys safe havens in Kurdish oppressing Turkey acceptable?

The current Turkish regime are Islamists and stopped the oppression of Kurds. and there is no indication that Wahhabis are supporting the Syrians.

Why is the Syrian insurgency continuing to fight Assad when they know his retaliatory strikes will result in mass civilian deaths? Why are they playing into the hands of Assad and falling for his trap?

Because the Assad regime attack Syrian civilians for protesting so in response the resistance has taken up arms specifically to STOP Assad from doing that.


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[ScimitarXEdge]

And yes, my argument is a strawman Scimitar just like yours always are. If you can figure it out. Im doing exactly what what you are doing, but Im talking about the Syrian insurgency.

Show a specific example of where I made a strawman, you just admitted your argument is a straw man which means you acknowledge a distinction as I do between the Syrians and the Taliban. this shatters your entire claim as you have effectively conceded by admitting this.

you mean this air raid?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...3701329057522/

An increase in PKK attacks on Turkish troops and civilians and the breakdown of a cease-fire led to the August escalation.

So the PKK initiated the attack and the , the initiator is the one at fault.

You're trying hard to show a contradictiion BUT YOU YOURSELF admitted you're doing so by committing STraw Man Fallacies; which means you're inventing contradictions; not showing ones I have.

The Taliban are Afghanistan's Assad

[Ghundal]

[QUOTE]

The current Turkish regime are Islamists and stopped the oppression of Kurds.

Not true. Islamist Party AKP Erdogan (current leader of Turkey fyi) has overseen attacks against Kurdish areas just few months ago, it NEVER stopped. LIE ANd BTW, even if this was true (which it is not), Syrian insurgency still enjoys safe havens in Turkey. That in itself according to your logic warrants the insurgency baseless, but you will goal post change because that is all you can do now.


Turkey avenges Kurdish attacks http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MJ21Ak01.html

Turkish troops attack Kurdish rebels in Turkey, Iraq

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/turkish-troops-attack-kurdish-rebels-in-turkey-iraq

Here is part of above ^^ article since you probably will refuse to read it "Military chiefs said yesterday the troops, supported by fighter jets, helicopter gunships and surveillance drones, had orders to "find and eliminate" members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), who use northern Iraq as a launch pad for attacks inside Turkey."

'Syrian police, militiamen attack Kurdish protesters'

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=230531&R=R1

and there is no indication that Wahhabis are supporting the Syrians.

Not True again. In fact Saudi Arabia and Qatar are both funding and supporting the Syrian insurgency with fighters aside from logistics. Saudi Government are WAHABIS, and they are supporting the Syrian insurgency.

How many sources do you need? I can give you 100 + links? This is not a mystery.

Qatar calls for Arab troops in Syria, Wahhabi army builds up

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/317921#ixzz1nbXZD7ul

http://digitaljournal.com/article/317921

'Friends of Syria' pledge support for Syrian opposition

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/friends-of-syria-pledge-support-for-syrian-opposition/article2348846/

Saudi Arabia backs call to arm Syria opposition

http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article579317.ece

Secret Qatari-Saudi Agreement to Supply Syrian Opposition with Weapons
http://sana.sy/eng/21/2012/01/27/396924.htm

Saudis and Qatar Arming Anti-Syrian Rebels. WMDs in play?

http://scrollpost.com/blog/2012/02/25/saudis-and-qatar-arming-antisyrian

Because the Assad regime attack Syrian civilians for protesting so in response the resistance has taken up arms specifically to STOP Assad from doing that.


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I can turn around and say that the violent protests which created disorder and chaos provoked Assad to attack in order to restore order, and that the hostilities are entirely due to Syrian insurgencies actions just as you do with the Afghan insurgency.

You have no case, and all you can do is be dishonest and lie now.

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[khushal]

So a Pashtun Taliban can go mad enough to go on a suicide bombing campaign, which in effect ends up killing more Pashtuns than NATO because the "horrors of war" made him do it, but killing and betraying his own people in such a way that won't change what other Pashtuns think of him; but he'll have his sanity regained enough to take brides and think of marriage, to protect his "honor" in regards to women his people see less than them . Which by the way in such an instance is essentially rape anyways, so even if you argue that angle the rape claim woul still apply.

And using the reasoning you apply of the "Pashtun cares what others think of him ...Pashtun culture says this etc etc." Historically Pashtuns viewed Hazaras as subhumans, the Taliban were no different, so what shame and dishonor would a Pashtun have with another Pashtun for raping a Non-Pashtun who they see with contempt? More unlikely than your claim that a Pashtun wouldn't rape; because plenty of Pashtuns have raped , are raping and probably will rape. We need to start admitting there are Pashtuns, most often the ones who front religion who are raping.

I already said some people would argue that as rape, but not the way you describe it.

You sound like one of those experts on FOX News who knows nothing about practical applications and only has a read a few things about the subject in books written about people that have not done their homework. You dont understand the evolutionary process that created the pashtun culture. You like the Americans are perplexed about why the pashtuns have refused to submit no matter how much money is thrown at them and no matter how much firepower is dropped on them.

Scapegoating Pakistan, Im sorry but the Americans arent buying that BS which is the NA's salespitch.

The only people that matter in Afghanistan are the ones with Ghyrat, if you dont have ghyrat, you dont matter, you can never lead and if you are taking orders from a foreign master, than you have no ghyrat and you can not lead. That is why America has failed.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Not true. Islamist Party AKP Erdogan (current leader of Turkey fyi) has overseen attacks against Kurdish areas just few months ago, it NEVER stopped. LIE ANd BTW, even if this was true (which it is not),........


Turkey avenges Kurdish attacks ]

You just disproved your own argument; I need not add anything else. Turkey avenges being attacked? That's oppression eh? right

[ScimitarXEdge]

No I did not.

Turkey avenges Kurdish attacks http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MJ21Ak01.html
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see there, you did it again.

case closed

[ScimitarXEdge]

you're a broken record Kerpal I mean Koon-dhal.

you already sabotaged your own argument, run home , play with your bangri

[Ghundal]

you're a broken record Kerpal I mean Koon-dhal.

you already sabotaged your own argument, run home , play with your bangri

You cant accuse others of what you do

The case is closed, and you cant address the Saudi Wahabi support and the Turkish oppression of Kurds, and their joint support for the Syrian insurgency

Resorting to lame insults just shows how desperate you become, and your ridiculousness

[randolph85]

i dont agree with edge in that turkey is led by an islamist government. while the hearts of people like erdogan may be in the right place, it will take more than a couple of terms in office to undo the secularist culture of the last 8 decades. erdogans party has indeed done what it can, slowly, to incorporate the kurds into mainstream turkish society, but the kurds are still not equal citizens. prostitution is still legal in turkish cities, the headscarf laws are still an issue in universities and so on. the country has generations to go, at this pace, assuming a secular party is just not voted in in the next few elections, for someone to be able to say that turkey is led by an islamic government.

what i find interesting though, is that i had this same convo with ghundal on his last sn in which i was critical of claims regarding turkey and islamic leadership, whereas ghundal took the position that edge is behind right now.

[Ghundal]

Scimitar,

Whereas as I am presenting facts and sources, all your presenting is your opinions which are weak to say the least. In the face of outward facts that the Syrian insurgency is getting backed by the Saudi Wahabis, you are denying it and stating there is no indication. You say the Turks have stopped the oppression of the Kurds, but I have shown it is still ongoing. You then try to goal post change in order to reassert your point, but that was never the issue at first- you claimed the Islamist Turkish government has stopped oppressing the Kurds. That was all. Attacking and sending the Turkish army into Kurdish areas are not acts of friendship, unless you thin otherwise. Its comparable then to saying Pakistan is supporting Pashtuns by conducting air raids. But thats not what we are discussing.

All you need to do is respond and give the evidence for your own claims, or keep going in circles. The onus is on you to show the proof for your claims regarding several issues you have now raised on top of several other issues which I am about to get to. You state that Turks have stopped oppressing Kurds. Evidence? Sources.

You then state that Saudi Wahabis are not supporting the Syrian insurgency. Evidence, sources?

As of now, You have no proof that the Turks are not oppressing the Kurds, and nor do you have proof that the Saudi Wahabis are not supporting the Syrian insurgency whereas I do have proof with the multiple sources I have shown below that the Turks are oppressing the Kurds and that the Saudi Wahabi-Qatar nexus are supporting the Syrian insurgency. (I can show more if you want, but this is enough).

So the onus is on you now to disprove it with sources while at the same time denying the sources I have shown you. Vet them. Maybe it is propaganda by Assad?

Now in regards to the several other issues originally raised, for the sake of the argument

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=20996&page=2

If that's your argument; then the Afghan government has been in exile for decades since the Taliban are not legitimate Afghan government because it hasn't been accepted by the majority of Afghanistan's citizens; them using Pakistani support to impose themselves on Afghanistan is not "legitimacy".

The issue is irrelevant though because in Quetta, Pakistan's Government holds the territory, most people carry Pakistani Passports, and Pakistni governmental institutions administrate there.


You are a Pakistani.....deadl with it.

Ok so, you are saying that the Afghan insurgency use of Pakistan support to impose themselves on Afghanistan is not legitimacy
. You also previously make an unqualified statement in regards to Afghanistan stating that the Taliban is not accepted by the majority of Afghanistan's citizens. Do you mind providing the evidence and sources to back this claim you are making? Now, I am not saying that Afghans support the Taliban, nor am I saying that they do not support the Taliban, but you are saying they dont, and in an educated debate, authentic data and sources are needed.

Now, going back to the Syrian insurgency and comparing it with your stance in regards to the Afghan insurgency not being legitimate. I have shown below that the Syrian insurgency is enjoying safe havens in TurkeyTurkish-Syrian Border Becomes Haven for Syrian Opposition

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/...135875553.html and Saudi Wahabi support and backing. How is it then that on two issues of outside support, you are still saying that the Syrian insurgency is legitimate? Going along the same reasoning you use to deny the basis of the Afghan insurgency that I have quoted above, how come it does not apply to the Syrian insurgency. I have refuted your extra and goal post changing claims (I will let you do it) that the Turkish Islamic government has stopped oppressing the Kurds I have shown how the Turkish "Islamist" government/military oppresses the Kurds just like the Pakistani government /Army oppresses the Pashtuns, the Balochs, etc. So why the inconsistency on your part? The goal post changing actually does not help you since it becomes more and more clear how Pakistan and Turkey are alike.

see there, you did it again.

case closed

You just disproved your own argument; I need not add anything else. Turkey avenges being attacked? That's oppression eh? right

No I did not. You did not read the article , and this is another example of goal post changing
You said Turks were not attacking Kurds. I showed that they are



You don't want to adress the rest of what I showed in regards to Saudi Wahabi support for Syrian insurgency because you can't


[QUOTE]

The current Turkish regime are Islamists and stopped the oppression of Kurds.

Not true. Islamist Party AKP Erdogan (current leader of Turkey fyi) has overseen attacks against Kurdish areas just few months ago, it NEVER stopped. LIE ANd BTW, even if this was true (which it is not), Syrian insurgency still enjoys safe havens in Turkey. That in itself according to your logic warrants the insurgency baseless, but you will goal post change because that is all you can do now.


Turkey avenges Kurdish attacks http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MJ21Ak01.html

Turkish troops attack Kurdish rebels in Turkey, Iraq

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/turkish-troops-attack-kurdish-rebels-in-turkey-iraq

Here is part of above ^^ article since you probably will refuse to read it "Military chiefs said yesterday the troops, supported by fighter jets, helicopter gunships and surveillance drones, had orders to "find and eliminate" members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), who use northern Iraq as a launch pad for attacks inside Turkey."

'Syrian police, militiamen attack Kurdish protesters'

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=230531&R=R1

and there is no indication that Wahhabis are supporting the Syrians.

Not True again. In fact Saudi Arabia and Qatar are both funding and supporting the Syrian insurgency with fighters aside from logistics. Saudi Government are WAHABIS, and they are supporting the Syrian insurgency.

How many sources do you need? I can give you 100 + links? This is not a mystery.

Qatar calls for Arab troops in Syria, Wahhabi army builds up

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/317921#ixzz1nbXZD7ul

http://digitaljournal.com/article/317921

'Friends of Syria' pledge support for Syrian opposition

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/friends-of-syria-pledge-support-for-syrian-opposition/article2348846/

Saudi Arabia backs call to arm Syria opposition

http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article579317.ece

Secret Qatari-Saudi Agreement to Supply Syrian Opposition with Weapons
http://sana.sy/eng/21/2012/01/27/396924.htm

Saudis and Qatar Arming Anti-Syrian Rebels. WMDs in play?

http://scrollpost.com/blog/2012/02/25/saudis-and-qatar-arming-antisyrian

Because the Assad regime attack Syrian civilians for protesting so in response the resistance has taken up arms specifically to STOP Assad from doing that.


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I can turn around and say that the violent protests which created disorder and chaos provoked Assad to attack in order to restore order, and that the hostilities are entirely due to Syrian insurgencies actions.

You have no case, and all you can do is be dishonest and lie now.

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