Message Of Felicitation Of The Esteemed Amir-Ul-Momineen On The Occasion Of Eid-Ul-F

[Alchemist]

^ see once again you go to show how right I was in my assessment.

Since you can't see the bigger picture, your ignorant ass can't see the connection between what I said, the thread topic, and your pathetic life.

You were the ape that said you would want to abolish Mullah Omar. Surprise! Surprise! That is what the Bush and Obama admistration have wanted.
You want democracy in Afghanistan ....well so did Bush and so does Obama.

Why?

Because, you are brainwashed...my google monkeying friend.

You are trying too hard to westernise Islam....

On the one hand you want the Taliban to succeed...but on the other hand you don't want them to impliment their style of governence ...but the american type that you've grow to love.

Everytime someone exposes your folly, you quickly rationalize your mistake and then try to get back at them by making false allegations and distorting logic...like you r neo in the matrix....reality bends to your will somehow. And there in lies the problem with people like you ...you rationalize your mistakes...like Rumsfeld would. Like any technocrat would.

In truth...you are nothing but a peon. You cheer for Ismail khan but you hate Omar ...why? Because Omar is fighting the invading forces by any means he can...while Ismail serves the same puppet government that you mock on a daily basis? Yet persistently you make the claim that the Taliban are being led by Pakistani ISI...so if Ismail is being led by the American ...its ok? Why? Because you are an American citizen? LOL
And then you say you are a logician? How many Afghans have died at the hands of Americans ...and how many at the hands of Pakistanis?

You are a joke buddy.

You ain't foolin no body here....

just gtfo...u ain't welcomed here.

Thank bros if you agree

[khushal]

what good will my roadmap do if i am not in a position of power? i can criticize because if it weren't for stupid afghans to begin with, we would all be living in afghanistan today. this instead of fleeing for our lives or for economic opportunity elsewhere.

what did the afghan taliban do to deviants such as the ttp, back when they had power? kidnappers were executed, no matter their position, family name, or connections. this is what made the taliban popular in the first place and why people support the taliban to this day. no afghan will say the taliban were a bright and progressive bunch who brough prosperity to afghanistan but they will say they were a fair group who brought order. 10 years after their ouster they are acting the same as the wild warlords who they ousted and were respected for taking out.

so back to the point here. what would the original taliban do in this situation? they would execute the kidnappers. thats my position and that should be the talibans position.

different situation Randolph. The Taliban have a limited amount of resources fighting an enemy with unlimited amount of resources. Before 911 HIG men were wanted by the Taliban, today they are somewhat cooperating for the common goal. Before 911 the Taliban eliminated opium, today they rely on its revenue. You gota do what you gota do to survive.
In the end it comes down to economics. When the US decides to leave, they will leave when its economy can no longer sustain the war. When they realize Afghanistan is not worth the cost and they are really getting nothing in return except a strategic location just like Soviets realized the hard way and the Brits realized the hard way.

[khushal]

no they're sick of being killed by whacko Paki directed suicide bombers and having a NATO imperialist horde in their backyard. If accepting a government where everyone cooperates without guns drawn, then they'd rather have that than die for Pakistan or America

makes sense to me.

The Taliban are not under the impression they are dieing for Pakistan, they are marginalized and they are dieing to become un-marginalized. Others are dieing for their right to not have their homes invaded whenever the invader feels like it.

repeating the same spin theatrics, doesn't make the spin true. He made his intentions clear, Afghans stop dying, that's all I care for.

Afghans are dieing because the Afghan official has failed to cure the cancer of this conflict. Like I said before, Taliban defections will not solve the problem. Making the Afghan official look like a saint does reveal his intention, it actually taints his intention because it is a lie.

Says you. You're not only speculating you're interpolating. I'm not saying some don't have other motives, but that doesn't discredit HIS motives.

What do you mean says me. Afghan officials behavior is not that of brotherhood, it is a complete lie.
lieing discredits his motives completely. Its better for him to plead the 5th than open his mouth and remove all doubt about his intention.

if that's the case you can argue the reason for Taiban support is similarly for money, which makes sense since Taliban were similarly scoring conscripts for money; which means economic and sociocultural motives lure supporters not Taliban's ideology itself

The Talibans main attraction is Because of their reputation of being less corrupt than the alternative(the afghan government). But if you think money is the only motive, then their would be no Taliban because their foe has unlimited resources(money) and the Taliban would lose in one day. Ideology and their respect for and understanding of tribal culture is a factor.

It seems support for Taliban is more based on money than it is for defectors.

I know why people fight, but that means the Taliban as a government and ideology really have nothing to offer Afghans, anymore so than a U.S. Puppet Government;the lure of money doesn't discredit what Taliban members have exposed about the Taliban, anymore than it would if they defect from the Government.

Defectors main motive is money, that's why I said more money = more defections. But not every Talib would defect for money.

The point is afghans mainly just want to stop dying and there are people who are ex Taliban who see it the same

Of course Afghans want to stop dieing but not at the expense of being marginalized and live like slaves. The motives of Ex Taliban are not what you think they are.

Forget about ideology, you have to start looking at this from an economic point of view.
Put yourself in the shoes of a pushtun villager in helmond. you have land but it can not feed your family, so you go try to find a job, but there is none and if you find a job it still can not support your family. One of your child gets sick and dies because you could not afford proper medical care for him. You burying your child while government officials drive by in their luxury vehicles heavily armed going to their mansions. You look down at the grave and then look at your other child and she is also sick looking back at you crying, what do you do Scimitar, what do you do?

Now you can say you will turn the other cheek and do nothing, but there are millions of people in this situation and some of them are not going to turn the other cheek.

[graveyardofempires]

says the Pakistani Slave

one thing is lying and other thing is believign in your own lies.

anyone here can tell if ima paki slave or you are liek the pakis,a slave.

you failed over and over again.

[Catya Sher]

That was a remarkably insightful post by Alchemist back there.
Good work.

Idiot, you are exactly right about the Philosopher-King.
The Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius is often thought to have
been a good example of this type of ruler.

But in fact, if you study his life, he was a good philosopher and a poor
warrior.

So this puts MORE luster on the reputation of
Mullah Omar, who calls himself in the missive
the thread is meant to discuss :
Mullah Omar Mujahid.

Just a fighter for Allah [swt]

He doesn't style himself
"Ex-Ruler of Afghanistan, 1996-2001"

He COULD, but he shows that he doesn't consider
himself any better than anyone else by using
that lowly title.

This is the true key of what is needed in a ruler:
Humility -- because the devil will be present every time
someone is at all boastful and seeking honors
and attention for himself or herself.

It's a huge clue.

So the fact that Mullah Omar has proven himself in battle, TOO,
says a lot about his qualifications to rule.

That's interesting that the Islamic equivalent of
Philosopher-King could be the institution of Khalifa.

Though there ARE some differenes.
I think it's a good topic for some of us to give a workover to
as Mullah Omar's return nears to outward leadership....

[ScimitarXEdge]

one thing is lying and other thing is believign in your own lies.

anyone here can tell if ima paki slave or you are liek the pakis,a slave.

you failed over and over again.

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well you support an agenda created by Pakistan ...hence making you a Paki slave.

[unknownprince]

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well you support an agenda created by Pakistan ...hence making you a Paki slave.

You are an American slave because you support the US war against Afghanistan.

You don't know crap about anything other then through google/wikipedia.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You are an American slave because you support the US war against Afghanistan.

You don't know crap about anything other then through google/wikipedia.

Yeah ok that's why you were cheering me on and leaving thank yous when I was exposing Toramana for being Imperialist slaves

You're a Paki slave....which in turn makes you an American save since Pakistan serves America

nice try

[graveyardofempires]

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well you support an agenda created by Pakistan ...hence making you a Paki slave.

it only exists between your ears.

[ScimitarXEdge]

it only exists between your ears.

and Wikileaks, a source you were cheering a few months ago; I bet you and your paki servant boys regret doing that eh?

[graveyardofempires]

and Wikileaks, a source you were cheering a few months ago; I bet you and your paki servant boys regret doing that eh?

cheering wikileaks?
it seems you are extremely confused.
the only thing wikileaks exposed was the iraqi journalist getting shot along with other civilians.To you offcourse wikileaks is holy scriptures.

not just that all of your sources are external and not the Afghan people.The very fact that you dont speak pashto ,dari or urdu makes you blind to the facts.
you rely on reports done by foreigners who are trying to make the case for the war,believe me there is alot of money at stake.

you are just lying to yourself,Afghan resistance is not under ISI control,that is propaganda goen out of control.

you are shooting yourself in the foot time after time.

but i dont blame you,i would be as brainwashed and desperate as you if i was an american born yemeni with pashtun father who has never been to Afghanistan.

do you think your opinion is worth more than that of the Afghans?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Keep living in denial Pakistani servant, there's NOTHING Afghan about working for the ISI, and even worse there's nothing Islamic about it either. That's more important than being Afghan.

[graveyardofempires]

ok brother i accept that you admit that you have been told and telling lies.
i know you will promise me to educate yourself about Afghanistan before talkign utter non sense next time.

a visit to Afghanistan will do you good,dont be sacred its not as dangerous as it seems.

[ScimitarXEdge]

so you admit you're a Pakistni slave all along

I feel sorry for you ...hope you gain some self respect and ghairat somdeay.

at least you're coming to terms with it.

[graveyardofempires]

disrespecting my father shows how low you are on the Pashtun scale.
but than again as the Pashto saying goes :

که مردار سپی د سین نه اوبه وسکې نو ټول سین نه مرداریږې
ive also reported your post as insulting and now we will see if PF is going to take any action.