Questions about Afghanistan and Pashtun affairs

[شمله ور خراساني]

My dear Akbar Sahab,

With what funds and whos funds do we rebuild Afghanistan? Ever country that has 'Tried' help us has it's oen interests.

Pakistan built a few hospitals cause it wants us as allies.

India is building hundreds of schools and even the Afghan parliamentary building but they also want us as allies.


Between the two, also, my other question who do we choose and when we do choose could you explain why?


DERAH MANANA

India is building schools? Did you visit those schools? What is the quality like? Do people attend those schools? What is the school curriculum like?

[akbarkhan]

I call it a non sense Ideologyy because those promoting it will not support Loy Afghanistan, Do you think Pakistani Muslims who are respectibly part of the Muslim Ummah would accept half of their so called country to be given to Afghans?

It totally contradicts everything.

Buddy, Just because i oppose your Arab imperialistic designs doesnt make me a Bigot.

Like you Proudly comment, that you know people like me and people like me are so bad etc etc etc and Allah knows best etc etc etc, but i know people like you, and your aims and objectives and sweet talk, You want Pashtuns to be governed,controlled and imperialised by Arabs under your Khalifate.

Its non sense to promote Loy Afghanistan, and take land from another Muslim country, that is against Shariat, in Islamic view, Pakistan is a Muslim country, and Afghanistan and British India, both accepted the British border, only few real Pashtuns rejected it, but as usual Afghanistan was silent on the issue.

Then comes the case about being Muslim, How do you know i dont pray or practice my faith just because i reject myself being a slave of Arab bedions?

You are a wolf in sheeps clothing, you talk so sweet about pashtun unity but you proudly support Pashtuns to be under Arab rule.

Since your arrogance wont accept fact and truth, those freedom fighters were on the training and payrol of CIA and ISI, who are both deemed non Muslim agencies, not just this, those who you call freedom fighters, also turned on eachother and killed their own fellow Afghan Muslim for power, so i suggest you think wisely who is a freedom fighter and who is a ISI/CIA fed little traitor.

Regards

First of all Caliphate is not an ideology hence it can not be a "non sense ideology". Secondly, your statements are full of logical fallacies and contradictions. You claim that you are a practicing Muslim yet you favour Loy Afghanistan over Caliphate, Loy Afghanistan is what me and you want while Caliphate is what Allah swt and His messenger wants.

If Islam means submitting oneself to Allah swt then one has to prioritize Allah swt commandments & wants over ones own desires. The Prophet peace be upon and the Sahaba put their lives, properties and their families in the lines of fire in order to implement the will of Allah swt. Makkah enjoyed peace, security and prosperous economy, furthermore, Quraish enjoyed ranks of gentry reigning as unchallenged leaders. If Mohammad was a nationalist or tribalist he didn't have any reason or excuse in the world to pursue the will of Allah swt, his clan or nation already were the ruling class. But he wasn't a man fond of fickle and pity ambitions, he prioritized the will of Allah swt and toppled the corrupt leaders of Quraish and within a short span time he brought about the golden age of Arabs whereas before only a handful of people knew the dignitaries of Makkah, now the entire world knew who they were.

A Muslim always prioritizes the will of Allah over his own ambitions even if his ambitions bear legitimacy. If you were a practicing Muslim as you claim to be then you should understand that. You should understand the difference between an obligation that you owe to Allah and an obligation that you owe to your people.

I mentioned earlier that Mohammad pbuh himself said "I am an Arab, but Arabs are not mine". I know how corrupt Arabs are and how they hoard wealth at the expense of Muslims blood and tears. I don't cherish or support the idea of Arabs ruling over us, nor do I cherish or support the idea of any other nation ruling over us.

We owe the establishment of Caliphate to Allah swt, His messenger, the three blessed generations and every women who became widow and every child who became orphan in the path of Allah swt. I understand that in a Caliphate there is no concept of borders, but according to Shariah law we have legislations for property. Caliphate and property law don't clash with each other as you like to portray it. My property is going to be my property duing Caliphate, NWFP is our property and no one can annex it under an established Caliphate. The ownership of the land will be judged under the Shariah law and it would be returned to its rightful owners. If another party of Muslims refuse to return our property then under Shariah law we can fight them and retrieve our property. So according to Islamic law you entire argument is baseless.

I do reflect upon and relate to your frustration, I have discussed matters of this nature ad nauseum with many brothers who share the same world view as yourself. For me, Caliphate is my first priority, Loy Afghanistan is second and I would never barter those priorities with any other. Realistically, the situation in central Asia has become so complex and intertwined that the only feasible way of realizing Loy Afghanistan is through Islamic Caliphate - inshallah this time around Loy Afghanistan is going to be at the centre of Islamic Caliphate unsetting the precedents of Arabs and Turks.

I am not here to reverb music to anyone's ears nor am I here to make anyone feel good about themselves. I am here on a mission, a mission to expose the truth about our current condition - the condition that like the burning sun has been hidden behind clouds of silver lining, the first rays of which might hurt the soft skin accustomed to luxuries of ignorance and surely ignorance is a bliss.

That is all I have to say to you, take it or leave it.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

First of all Caliphate is not an ideology hence it can not be a "non sense ideology". Secondly, your statements are full of logical fallacies and contradictions. You claim that you are a practicing Muslim yet you favour Loy Afghanistan over Caliphate, Loy Afghanistan is what me and you want while Caliphate is what Allah swt and His messenger wants.

If Islam means submitting oneself to Allah swt then one has to prioritize Allah swt commandments & wants over ones own desires. The Prophet peace be upon and the Sahaba put their lives, properties and their families in the lines of fire in order to implement the will of Allah swt. Makkah enjoyed peace, security and prosperous economy, furthermore, Quraish enjoyed ranks of gentry reigning as unchallenged leaders. If Mohammad was a nationalist or tribalist he didn't have any reason or excuse in the world to pursue the will of Allah swt, his clan or nation already were the ruling class. But he wasn't a man fond of fickle and pity ambitions, he prioritized the will of Allah swt and toppled the corrupt leaders of Quraish and within a short span time he brought about the golden age of Arabs whereas before only a handful of people knew the dignitaries of Makkah, now the entire world knew who they were.

A Muslim always prioritizes the will of Allah over his own ambitions even if his ambitions bear legitimacy. If you were a practicing Muslims as you claim to be then you should understand that. You should understand the difference between an obligation that you owe to Allah and an obligation that you owe to your people.

I mentioned earlier that Mohammad pbuh himself said "I am an Arab, but Arabs are not mine". I know how corrupt Arabs are and how they hoard wealth at the expense of Muslims blood and tears. I don't cherish or support the idea of Arabs ruling over us, nor do I cherish or support the idea of any other nation ruling over us.

We owe the establishment of Caliphate to Allah swt, His messenger, the three blessed generations and every women who became widow and every child who became orphan in the path of Allah swt. I understand that in a Caliphate there is no concept of borders, but according to Shariah law we have legislations for property. Caliphate and property law don't clash with each other as you like to portray it. My property is going to be my property duing Caliphate, NWFP is our property and no one can annex it under an established Caliphate. The ownership of the land will be judged under the Shariah law and it would be returned to its rightful owners. If another party of Muslims refuse to return our property then under Shariah law we can fight them and retrieve our property. So according to Islamic law you entire argument is baseless.

I do reflect upon and relate to your frustration, I have discussed matters of this nature ad nauseum with many brothers who share the same world view as yourself. For me, Caliphate is my first priority, Loy Afghanistan is second and I would never barter those priorities with any other. Realistically, the situation in central Asia has become so complex and intertwined that the only feasible way of realizing Loy Afghanistan is through Islamic Caliphate - inshallah this time around Loy Afghanistan is going to be at the centre of Islamic Caliphate unsetting the precedents of Arabs and Turks.

That is all I have say to you, take it or leave it.

Loy Afghanistan is clear Nationalism as you are taking land from another country.

I dont know where you get these ideas from but hey, we will see what the future holds.

Loy Afghanistan will be centre of the Islamic Caliphate?

I suggest you first make it a place where your average person get something to eat, no more beggers, and a better life for people instead of these ISI invented fantasies, you think pashtuns with a sane mind will all of a sudden forgive your sort of people? after all thats happened, all of a sudden you become anti pakistan and anti ISI even though the education you received could have been purposely taught you through ISI chanels?

You have many dreams that are not logical nor reality.

You still contribute this non sense Propaghanda of pashtuns being this and that of this army and this caliphate.

Do somethign constructive, educate your people instead of building hopes. You can call others non muslims and kafirs and this and that who disagree with you, but always remember, your country is one of the poorest of the world, so i wouldnt be playing with peoples emotions for your hidden agenda

[akbarkhan]

Salam alaikom,

The prerequisite of development is not money, it is security.

Both India and Pakistan are our historical enemies, we shouldn't choose any of them - on top of that we should make effort to neutralize both of them and to put end to their proxy wars in Afghanistan.

If other countries want to cooperate with us for mutual gain then we should consider such options as long as such cooperation does not jeopardize our social, national and religious integrity. Furthermore, we should only pursue such a course if we have the upperhand else we might become a tool and we will be taken back to square one.

btw please drop the 'sahab', brother is much better :-)

[inqilab]

This is odd, if you are calling for an islamic state, then what does it matter what belongs to afghanistan from pakistan? Where did this division of borders come from to begin with?

Under an islamic state, it is one land.

[akbarkhan]

The enemy within has to be dealt with systematically and urgently before foreign troops withdraw, this of course is not as easy as it is said, but it can be done by bringing into motion bottom up revolt.

[akbarkhan]

This is odd, if you are calling for an islamic state, then what does it matter what belongs to afghanistan from pakistan? Where did this division of borders come from to begin with?

Under an islamic state, it is one land.

Would my family house belong to you in an Islamic state? Or would my property remain my property?

[inqilab]

Would my family house belong to you in an Islamic state? Or would my property remain my property?

No, how does the land in pakistan belong to a land called afghanistan even though the indigenous people still live in those lands?

Your case is in regards to borders, what does it matter if i being a pashtun, is placed behind border of present day afghanistan or pakistan? Although i am still in my homeland.

These borders are baseless, they do not matter. Afghanistan, pakistan, india should not have borders to begin with, they are just names but under islamic state they are not divided and each one will not have their own forms of government. They will all be equally ruled by shariah without any prejudice.

So this is what i found odd. What do we do with the non afghans like the tajiks, hazaras etc who are not from the indigenous population?

[akbarkhan]

No, how does the land in pakistan belong to a land called afghanistan even though the indigenous people still live in those lands?

Your case is in regards to borders, what does it matter if i being a pashtun, is placed behind border of present day afghanistan or pakistan? Although i am still in my homeland.

These borders are baseless, they do not matter. Afghanistan, pakistan, india should not have borders to begin with, they are just names but under islamic state they are not divided and each one will not have their own forms of government. They will all be equally ruled by shariah without any prejudice.

So this is what i found odd. What do we do with the non afghans like the tajiks, hazaras etc who are not from the indigenous population?

It is not odd at all, you just need to understand the difference between property and borders. My case has nothing to do with borders or names, it has to do with property and its ownership. It is not about forming a state within state or anything like that. For example if my family owns 1000 acres of land now, then my family should still be the sole owners of that land in an Islamic state.

The people who are not part of the indigenous population should enjoy the same rights as the indigenous ones as long as they are Muslims. If they are not Muslims they will be required to pay the Jizya.

[inqilab]

It is not odd at all, you just need to understand the difference between property and borders. My case has nothing to do with borders or names, it has to do with property and its ownership. It is not about forming a state within state or anything like that. For example if my family owns 1000 acres of land now, then my family should still be the sole owners of that land in an Islamic state.

The people who are not part of the indigenous population should enjoy the same rights as the indigenous ones as long as they are Muslims. If they are not Muslims they will be required to pay the Jizya.

Absolutely i agree. i was a little confused about your statement you made to maseed

NWFP is our property and no one can annex it under an established Caliphate. The ownership of the land will be judged under the Shariah law and it would be returned to its rightful owners.

I must have misunderstood, but to me what you were saying is that nwfp belongs to afghanistan. This is why i asked where did you get this claim from since the indigenous people still live in pashtunkhwa. It would not make a difference if that land is under present day afghanistan or pakistan. The people who are from there are still inhabiting it.

Just like waziristan, the people still own that land, it would not make a difference if on claims it to be afghanistan or pakistan.

[akbarkhan]

We should all learn English because it will help us accumulate knowledge specifically about discoveries made in the digital age. Our national language should be Pashto and Dari, both languages should be made compulsory in our curriculum. However, schooling should done in local language i.e pashto in Kandahar, Dari in Mazar.

Both of these languages need alot of work and we must strive to make them even more beautiful than they are. English as our national language is out of the question.

[akbarkhan]

Taliban is a label, labels could be demonized and praised hence we must ignore labels and look at the people. Taliban are Afghans, infact they are the same Afghans that the west once praised when they were fighting the Red Army - at one point President Reagan even dedicated a space mission to these fighters.

Since Taliban are Afghans they are always going to be in Afghanistan, the people who reside in villages will always be religious and will always sacrifice their all to protect our social, national and religious integrity, its unfortunate that our city-dwelling brothers and sisters have through out our history sold us out in the open market - of course not all of them.

Now since Taliban are our own Afghans, we must help them soften the rough edges of their policies and criticize them constructively. By simply labeling thousands of peoples as "this" and "that" will get us no where. Please don't forget that when George Washington fought against the British, Britain labeled him "number 1 terrorist" - yet now Washington appears on every dollar bill and is praised as a 'Founding Father'.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

No, how does the land in pakistan belong to a land called afghanistan even though the indigenous people still live in those lands?

Your case is in regards to borders, what does it matter if i being a pashtun, is placed behind border of present day afghanistan or pakistan? Although i am still in my homeland.

These borders are baseless, they do not matter. Afghanistan, pakistan, india should not have borders to begin with, they are just names but under islamic state they are not divided and each one will not have their own forms of government. They will all be equally ruled by shariah without any prejudice.

So this is what i found odd. What do we do with the non afghans like the tajiks, hazaras etc who are not from the indigenous population?

They are not just names, those names represent 1000's of years of culture and heritage. Just because you want to turn Pashtun land where Punjabis can marry pashtun women, doesnt mean you can deceive us all.

What Islamic state you speak off? you cant even tolarate other sects of Muslims! not just this, You want to rule over the whole world even though your own people cant even get food to eat in Pakistan without having a ID card.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Taliban is a label, labels could be demonized and praised hence we must ignore labels and look at the people. Taliban are Afghans, infact they are the same Afghans that the west once praised when they were fighting the Red Army - at one point President Reagan even dedicated a space mission to these fighters.

Since Taliban are Afghans they are always going to be in Afghanistan, the people who reside in villages will always be religious and will always sacrifice their all to protect our social, national and religious integrity, its unfortunate that our city-dwelling brothers and sisters have through out our history sold us out in the open market - of course not all of them.

Now since Taliban are our own Afghans, we must help them soften the rough edges of their policies and criticize them constructively. By simply labeling thousands of peoples as "this" and "that" will get us no where. Please don't forget that when George Washington fought against the British, Britain labeled him "number 1 terrorist" - yet now Washington appears on every dollar bill and is praised as a 'Founding Father'.

How can you soften something, that is owned and ruled by ISI?

not all Taliban are Afghan, There are Punjabi taliban,uzbek taliban of waziristan, there are even other people in the taliban that are not Afghan.

I doubt an ISI agent like Mullah omar will be on anybodys note or respected nationally, he and col imam will both burn in hell.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Absolutely i agree. i was a little confused about your statement you made to maseed



I must have misunderstood, but to me what you were saying is that nwfp belongs to afghanistan. This is why i asked where did you get this claim from since the indigenous people still live in pashtunkhwa. It would not make a difference if that land is under present day afghanistan or pakistan. The people who are from there are still inhabiting it.

Just like waziristan, the people still own that land, it would not make a difference if on claims it to be afghanistan or pakistan.

Well..If its under Afghanistan, Smarty pants, then Waziristan wont be ruled by FCR and being neglected and turned into a hell hole full of Crazy nuttjob Talibans and other NON PASHTUN militants.

I understand, Since you Wazir, you love Pakistan, Since Pakistan has done alot for Wazirs.

But please, why do you want to spread Pro Pakistani Taliban policies here?

We understand you love Pakistan and so does your Emir Saab, but why tell us here, just be str8 with us all.