Kill/Capture(PBS Doc) : how they raid Afghan hoouses

[khushal]

YouTube - ‪Iran the hypocrite, Muslims beware of that‬‏

Dont equate this video with that of a group of people saying they were trained by Iran to attack NATO forces. This is a top Iranian official saying he helped and cooperated with the American to invade 2 fellow Muslim country.

[graveyardofempires]

the military and the "big companies" pretty much makes up Amerikaa...so what are you waiting for? for the average man to turn to a beggar ...and then join the army?

And since when did demonstrations stop invaders?


The fact that you think Iran is an Ally of America goes to show how ignorant you really are about the politics of reality. Iran was branded by Bush as an axis of evil and imposed all sorts of sanctions on it....and you think that's a sign of frienship?

actually bush made iran very famouse and now shias have much more influence thanks to bush and co.

so what if bush said that?what have they done to iran so far?Nothing!
i didnt say ally i said other side of the same coin.So why did they made Iraq a pro iranian government even the very iranians shias are int he government and wy did they gave much influence to shias in Afghanistan.
i guess you didnt watch the video.

Sure, you can find youtube videos to support any point you want because there are literally billions of vid on that site. You can even find vids that show taliban commanders reporting that they have been trained by Iranian agencies on how to fight the invaders, even vids that show americans siezing ammunition trucks with "made in iran" written on it...but the fact remains that Iran has poured money into Herat, one of the more prosperous cities of Afghanistan, and they aren't even a shia majority there. You can believe what you want to in regards to shias ...but overall, you are trying to fit the world into your adopted views, rather than adapt your views to the realities of the world.
never heard of Taliban being trained by iran or iran helping the just like the isi link is phantom chase the same way iran is a phantom chasing and it all comes to promoting those two countries and margenalising the Afghans.like i said on this video we hear it from the iranian president and not some weapons being shown with made in iran on it or some news video with false translationof pashto on it.

since Iran will not be able to convince afghans to be pro iran through their shia belief they are using the farsi thingy to further their agenda but at the same time they are pouring moneyinto buying shias land and mostly stolen land,this way these shias land in the pockets of iran.
Should i than adont to the shia world view?



I wouldn't say that Iranians threw the first stone...the taliban executed iranian dilpomates and massacred shias where ever they could find them and generally those sorts of actions are considered acts of war. And LOL @ Iranians supporting Ismailies. More proof of your own ignorance...twelver shias despise Ismailies...how many iranian ismailies have you met? You think just because ismailies call them selves shia they become allies of Iran? Where did you get this from anyway? Rumoures you heard at the local coffee shop?
The iranian "diplomates" were invaders who came to spy and were involved in war against afghanistan ,taliban didnt execute shias where ever they find them,thats just another one you pulled out of your ass.For proof watch the documentary The Budhas of afghanistan .So why are they supporting Latif Pedram and the likes? calling me ignorant will not make the truth disapear,believe me.

when they are against Afghan sunnis they become allies ,if ismalis arent pro iran than why does ariana tv(owned by an ismaili) promote shiasm and even has an iranian woman with her own shows?

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[khushal]

and if they do pull out, the Taliban will not be able to administer Afghanistan effectively...it is more likely that the taliban would hand over Afghanistan to PAkistan like they did for the arabs before.

You are forgetting the fact the NA has handed Afghanistan to the Americans and the Americans are bombing the hell out of its people. You are also forgetting the fact the NA are incapable of administering Afghanistan. So you have very little options, so far the people are choosing the Taliban because they are more starved for security than anything else.

[MDresden]

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i disagree

iran is insignificant

iran is an ally of US since they helped them invade Afghanistan.
believe me ,they will leave.

they will leave cuz Afghans have rejected their drams of permanent bases,they will leave cuz Afghan nation is against them,they will leave cuz their economy is moving downwards,they will leave cuz its afghanistan(where empires come to die).

other signs are "they killed osama" and "the person who wanted to be next osama"

read some history ,you think Afghans are weak?

btw why iran?

What you don't seem to understand is that the best way to fight a guerilla (cowards) warfare is to starve them out over time. Keep killing their members, hit their supply routes, etc. TIME...lots of it...will kill any guerilla (cowards) warfare.

[graveyardofempires]

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yeah right
all you guys can do is kill civilians and somehow wish they will submit to your wills while it backfires and creates more resistance.

[MDresden]

Which then tags more people as "Taliban" which then continues the starving of resources process. Which then means another daily victory.

[graveyardofempires]

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so you want to kill afghans?

[MDresden]

Afghan Taliban only. You however, are the one to make the descision if you are Taliban or not.

[graveyardofempires]

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but those are civilians whos families you have killed
so you are saying you kill rape civilians and if someone gets back at you is a criminal?

[MDresden]

If someone is hostile to me they are the enemy. It's part of the starvation to end guerilla (coward) warfare. I'm only explaining the only known process to combat guerilla warfare (rather then bombing the whole entire place in a night campaign.)

[graveyardofempires]

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how is guerrela warfare coward?

and how is defending yourself being someone who kills civilians justified?

[MDresden]

Guerilla warfare is usually the first step in a combat campaign. Since you are still using those tactics, we have to revert to old world war 1 & 2 tactics of starvation over time.

Civilians are killed in crossfire, or the civilians are informants to the Taliban. A few casualties of civilians will and do occur, but it's limited since we only act on intelligence we receive and missions we plan.

[ScimitarXEdge]

If the MSDRESDEN was against guerilla (what he calls "coward" ) warfare then he is basically calling NAVY SEALS, Green Berets and Special Forces cowards as what they do is essentially guerilla warfare. Not to mention the use of Air Power or Missiles from Aircraft carriers from long distances to "surprise" the enemy would hence become the epitome of cowardice.

The argument MSDRESDEN uses is that people who attack him are Hostile; because America has the right and priviilege of invading a country without any retaliation. A clear bias in his own favor.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Guerilla warfare is usually the first step in a combat campaign. Since you are still using those tactics, we have to revert to old world war 1 & 2 tactics of starvation over time.

Civilians are killed in crossfire, or the civilians are informants to the Taliban. A few casualties of civilians will and do occur, but it's limited since we only act on intelligence we receive and missions we plan.

You're clearly just defining things only in a way which favors the American agenda. What makes Americans entitled as to what constitutes what are valid and invalid operations or when to or not to use something?

[ScimitarXEdge]

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how is guerrela warfare coward?

and how is defending yourself being someone who kills civilians justified?

he's just trying to distort things to work in his own favor; American's use air fighting tactics when Taliban are out gunning them on the ground; clearly hypocrisy on his part.

The reason he calls guerilla tactics cowardly is because American Soldiers usually end up suffering brutal humilation because of them.