Non-Pashtuns independance?

[ScimitarXEdge]

We're just amused that you're single handedly exterminating this Ethnic Nationalist ****bag.

His veiled animosity towards Pashtuns is easy to discern.

[randolph85]

fear with a little flattery sounds about right.

[Alchemist]

yeah even though I expressed support Kalakani who was a Tajik, apparently according to Alchemist I'm, against Massoud for being Tajik all because I relayed a joke about Tajiks which I myself dont believe actually applies.

brilliant deduction Moosty

ever think maybe I dont support Massoud because he was a treacherous two faced swine? and NOT because of his ethnicity?

right ... and you base that on a CIA agent's account of how gay he was...then you try to tell others not to take guidance from imperialists.

"Which I myself don't believe actually applies..." but said it anyway...way to rationalize it Makhmood.

[gadoonwal]

So, you want to take their rights for their own independance? Who are you? How you wanna do that? You have not even the dignity and honour to show your face here and put your address to show the Users here who you are and than tell us all your BS again. Talking behind PC is the only think you can. Isn´t that hypocrite. The Pashtuns are allowed to ask for Pashtunistan but Hazaras have not the right to establish their own country in a region where they are majority (90%)?

Afghan is not a race, it´s a national identity. Race is Negride, Mongolide, White .... Ethnicity is Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara. As I wrote, go and finish first the 9th class. Your explanation about Khorasan is not only weak but also show your stupidity. Yes, Khorasan was the name of a region and many non-Pashtuns want to establish the name back on Afghanistan, at least there were non-Pashtuns live. Khorasan represents all those you are proud of and try to steal.

Ok, not Tajik, despite 40% of Afghanistan are Tajiks and you do not have the right to deny the identity of any person. Let´s say Farsiwan. So, what´s with Farsiwan? (Btw, I do not know why I ask you. You are an Arab, a semite whose parents came with OSB to Afghanistan. You do not represent Pashtuns or non-Pashtuns) Have they the rights to establish their Khorasan if Pashtuns have their ''United Pashtunistan''?

You are no Farsiwan. Farsiwans are Shia and Dari-speaking western Tajiks, despite the fact that the word also means Persian. Farsiwans give a **** abt you and your comments. That´s why they allied themself under NA against your parents and brothers coming from Pakistan. You can not even kick Arabs or Chechens out (also living in a foreign country), how do you want to ''kick'' the native people of Afghanistan? They smashed your faces on the holly ground of that country several times and today your own Arab brothers and Pakis do the same with you. What will you do? Just be man enough and show your face and tell that to any Farsiwan, even to types like me who are half-half. They would teach you a lesson or cut you directly in pieces and feed you to dogs. Keep a beghairat and benamoos. That´s for what you are famous for 6 years. But don´t worry, since I know some of your relations we both will meet one day eachother, too.

Racist boy, Uzbeks came to Afghanistan and settled there for 500 years ago. They are native to northern parts. You could not drive them out there the last decades how can you do it tomorrow or today? In return they kicked you out people like you of Takhar, Samanagan, Faryab, Jauzjan. The only people who are immigrants in these regions are Kuchis and so-called Naqleens. Those lands you claim for Kuchis were once stolen or taken by force by Nader Shah, the father of Zaher Shah.

BS. You have never met a Baluch. These are the claims of a worthless person. Baluchs were never Afghans or part of Afghans. They had never claimed or called themself as Afghans. They had never supported Afghans, neither Pashtuns nor any other non-Pashtun people. You uneducated moron, Baluchi is related with Kurdish. Far away from Pashtu and Pakhtu, a language that is spoken in eastern Turkey, Iraq and north-western Iran. Keep BSiting. Baluchs feel Pashtuns as hostile to their country, to their ethnic, to their language and identity. Why do they fight the Pashtuns? Why do they fight for Quetta against the dominate group there, the Pashtuns? Baluchs want an own state for themself. Claiming to much and inventing any new BS and always accusing like a paranoide other sources as pro-Iran or Shia here and there while you never provided a single link or reference to your own claims. Very suspect Than please, provide us with your sources that are not ''pro-Shia'' or ''pro-Iranian''.



Can you prove that? According to all major studies Pashtu is spoken by 35%. Beside that, why Uzbeks and Hazaras are now not part of your ''Afghan'' calculation but ''Farsiwans'' are? Ridicolous and pathetic.

So, Pakistanis have the right to join Afghanistan or Pashtuns have the right to unify themself with Pathan Pakistanis but non-Pashtuns dont have the right. Who will kick them out? You? Didn´t you try it the last 6 years and how many times did they spit in your face and make out of you a loser, a fool and an alien to every corner of Afghanistan and every Farsiwan? LOL Have you the b***s, the Ghairat, Namoos, Nang, Honar and are you a real man to tell that to those into their faces?

Keep sitting before you get wet pants, Nick brother. You are a hypocrite. That´s all. Someone who have not even an identity but is forced to speak in my father´s language hahaha, is forced to accept ''Shia'' culture and language, ''Shia'' books in Kabul, Balkh, Herat, Jalalabad, Kandahar ... University. I understand your hate but hey, it was not our fault that you suffer under ID crises. Who called you to come to urbane places of Afghanistan? The only one who will get kicked out of the country will be people like you. They already kicked you out ... Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras, Turkmen, Uzbeks and many more all united. Neither the right wings wanted you nor the left wing. Do you really think you can deny the rights of Hazaras, Uzbeks, ''Farsiwans'' enjoying Khorasan, Iran, Uzbekistan, Hazaristan or whatever? How do you want to stop them or send them back to ''Mongolia''? Again begging on your knees for your Pakistani and Arab brothers to rescue your back? Do you know that the NA (I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANA OR ANP!) is no more the same as 2001? Do you know they reorganized and reformed themself and become much better, by far much better than the old cader of Massoud? They enjoy Black Water and KSK trainings to fight your brothers if they step only one inch toward Afghanistan? Let´s see how you traitor will deal and kick their a*** ... We will see how much ghairat and namoos you have (as we´ve seen in the last 6 years ) and who will kick whom out from beautiful Afghanistan as long noone make any stupid claims on Pakistani territory.

Now to the educated Users here. What is your thought on that topic dear brothers and sisters?

HAZARAS,tajiks and uzbiks are not the native.
They all have their countries.
uzbik from uzbikistan
tajik from tajikistan and eastren iran
hazaras from mongolia.
Hazaras would be welcome if go back to their motherland mongolia.
Mongolia is empty and need them.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

HAZARAS,tajiks and uzbiks are not the native.
They all have their countries.
uzbik from uzbikistan
tajik from tajikistan and eastren iran
hazaras from mongolia.
Hazaras would be welcome if go back to their motherland mongolia.
Mongolia is empty and need them.

So this is all you can respond? Don´t you think you devide the country deeper or that you a wrong? Your ancestors are from the Sulaiman Mountains and yet you claim those are not natives. Even Hazaras and Uzbeks live longer than Pashtuns in the region. That is your pure ignorance and hate toward them. You hate them they will hate you. You kill them they will kill you. You want them out they will force your out. Every action has a reaction. Give love and respect and earn love and respect. Btw, why never Nick write about people like you, only about ''pro-Iranian'', ''Ghalis'', ''Shias'', ''anti-Afghan'', ''Qazali'' lol ...? Isn´t that hypocrisy?

[gadoonwal]

But the pashtuns came from Sulaiman Mountains which is in pakistan and going by your logic they should also go back.Pashtuns were even imported from india to increase pashtun strength in afghanistan.

you forgot about those millions usbiks and tajiks crossed into afghanistan in 1920.It was the red revolt forced them to afghanistan.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

you forgot about those millions usbiks and tajiks crossed into afghanistan in 1920.It was the red revolt forced them to afghanistan.

''Millions'' ? Boy, million of Pathans were forced to Afghanistan to strengh the Pashtuns. There were never millions who came to Afghanistan. Those who came were 50 000 Uzbeks and during the Soviets 70 000 Tajiks. At the same time, Daud Khan invited Pakistanis to the country and gave them hundred thousand hectre lands. Stop propagating BS. Even if millions of them emigrated to Afghanisatn they will never leave it. You can do or send as much Taliban you can, they will stay there. They proved it under the Taliban and they will prove it under ISI.

[gadoonwal]

So this is all you can respond? Don´t you think you devide the country deeper or that you a wrong? Your ancestors are from the Sulaiman Mountains and yet you claim those are not natives. Even Hazaras and Uzbeks live longer than Pashtuns in the region. That is your pure ignorance and hate toward them. You hate them they will hate you. You kill them they will kill you. You want them out they will force your out. Every action has a reaction. Give love and respect and earn love and respect. Btw, why never Nick write about people like you, only about ''pro-Iranian'', ''Ghalis'', ''Shias'', ''anti-Afghan'', ''Qazali'' lol ...? Isn´t that hypocrisy?

i do not hate all tajiks or uzbiks.
can you bring a proof uzbiks ,tajiks and azaras lived longer then pakhtuns in afghanistan?
why you want a country to be divided when it is already under your control?
your language was imposed by the persainised kings on pashtun majority.
your culture and language is more recognised then pashtu.
most likely you are a shai qazilbash,farsiban.

[Shayesta]

@Kabulzada
Same could be said about you, why don't you 'capture' Khorasani forums and write about man-less creatures like Parsistani instead of pro-Pakistanis, pro-Arabs, pro-Russians, etcetera?

Oh by the way, since you are knowledge of history, can you please tell us how old the name 'Awghan' is and where we were residing when we got that naming? At least now, I expect you to speak with sources.

[gadoonwal]

''Millions'' ? Boy, million of Pathans were forced to Afghanistan to strengh the Pashtuns. There were never millions who came to Afghanistan. Those who came were 50 000 Uzbeks and during the Soviets 70 000 Tajiks. At the same time, Daud Khan invited Pakistanis to the country and gave them hundred thousand hectre lands. Stop propagating BS. Even if millions of them emigrated to Afghanisatn they will never leave it. You can do or send as much Taliban you can, they will stay there. They proved it under the Taliban and they will prove it under ISI.

at one stage masood run to tajkistan and dostum to uzbikistan so how come you say that.
i am also against the influence of pakistan and isi in afghanistan.
I also do not support iranians investing millions for farsi in afghanistan.
iran is not less then pakistan.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

i do not hate all tajiks or uzbiks.
can you bring a proof uzbiks ,tajiks and azaras lived longer then pakhtuns in afghanistan?
why you want a country to be divided when it is already under your control?
your language was imposed by the persainised kings on pashtun majority.
your culture and language is more recognised then pashtu.
most likely you are a shai qazilbash,farsiban.

Noone want Afghnaistan devided. The question was why you want to unite with Pakistanis while non-Pashtuns are not to allow to do the same ... at least from your points but we all know if they want they just will do it. That´s their right ... but the question was would you accept the same if non-Pashtuns would do? Would you accept their rights for their Hazaristan, Unay Turkistan or whatever? Non-Pashtuns don´t rule Afghanistan. Karzia and Pashtuns dominate the government. My language was by noone imposed on Pashtuns. WHile you lnaguage is mostly the language of eastern and southern tribes and that of the mountains, my language is a universal language. Always a regional language and always dominant. Even Turks became Dari-speaker. You self accepted my language and noone else. We did not forced it on you. Neither in schools, universities nor on public. But we will use the right to promote our language and culture for our own such as Pashtuns have the same right. In addition, because of Dari´s historical and linguistical dominance it diminished always non-Dari languages. It also replaced Arabic. During the 30s there were invested many million USD for Pashtu Tolana in Afghanistana nd Peshwar. Why? Because of the common languge and culture. Why it is not OK that iran do the same?

Oh by the way, since you are knowledge of history, can you please tell us how old the name 'Awghan' is and where we were residing when we got that naming? At least now, I expect you to speak with sources.

The first time the word Afghan appeard was for 1000 years ago in udud-ul-alam. Before that therer were words that were in use for tribal people of India and the sulaiman mountains. The Iranains used Apagan/abgan and the Indians Ashvakan. But that does not count. Modern Pashtuns are not similar as the anicent. Modern Pashtuns are a confederacy of many different people with different origin. Invaders and native people. Be they Indians, Arabs, original Pashtuns or whatever.

[gadoonwal]

@Kabulzada
Same could be said about you, why don't you 'capture' Khorasani forums and write about man-less creatures like Parsistani instead of pro-Pakistanis, pro-Arabs, pro-Russians, etcetera?

Oh by the way, since you are knowledge of history, can you please tell us how old the name 'Awghan' is and where we were residing when we got that naming? At least now, I expect you to speak with sources.

he is history master.
He can creat one for if you want.I think the guy had some bad experaince with pashtuns who knows?

[Shayesta]

I don't care what his experience is and nor will I hide from his remarks, but if he truly wants people to believe only he knows the truth then he should be able to provide at least one valid source. If history is truly that much against Pukhtoons only then there should be sources flying around on-line, so why can't he provide me with even one?

[gadoonwal]

Noone want Afghnaistan devided. The question was why you want to unite with Pakistanis while non-Pashtuns are not to allow to do the same ... at least from your points but we all know if they want they just will do it. That´s their right ... but the question was would you accept the same if non-Pashtuns would do? Would you accept their rights for their Hazaristan, Unay Turkistan or whatever? Non-Pashtuns don´t rule Afghanistan. Karzia and Pashtuns dominate the government. My language was by noone imposed on Pashtuns. WHile you lnaguage is mostly the language of eastern and southern tribes and that of the mountains, my language is a universal language. Always a regional language and always dominant. Even Turks became Dari-speaker. You self accepted my language and noone else. We did not forced it on you. Neither in schools, universities nor on public. But we will use the right to promote our language and culture for our own such as Pashtuns have the same right. In addition, because of Dari´s historical and linguistical dominance it diminished always non-Dari languages. It also replaced Arabic.

the persain lovers kings never represnted the true pashtunyath.
They were born to iranian mums so their loyality was not with us.That was the main reason they adopted persain.
you are scared of pashtun unity.Pakistani is not a nation.It was created just 60 years ago.You and many other parsiwasn use the pakistani for pashtun cus you scared of lar aw bar unity .

[Shayesta]

In all fairness, I do believe replacing the capital from Kandahar to Kabul was one of the biggest mistakes in our history. When under Taliban regime Kandahar had become the capital again, many people moved to Kandahar and learned very fluent Pukhto within years. Had Kandahar remained the capital then at least we wouldn't have lost so many Pukhto speakers, nor would our leaders have lacked Pukhtuniyat of the likes of Baba and Hotaki.