Non-Pashtuns independance?

[Zahed]

That's because those countries are not being ruled Islamically; you're only proving our point not contradicting it.

The Kabul people welcomed his rules? Who told you this? If the Kabul people welcomed his rules; why did they join the Ghilzai and Paktiawal tribes agaiinst Him? They didnt get brainwashed enough by the indoctrination system later on to start wanting his rules.

Our economics were affected by Amanullah; he worked with the Germans who were also Imperialists.

why cant we just rule our country for our benefit instead for Islam?? now dont tell me Afghans prefer being ruled Islamically 'cuz opposition against Taliban says more than enuf abt their wishes. 'n yes Kabulis lived according to his rules which continued even after his death, only strong opposition against Amanullah were Pashtuns 'n that also mostly tribal ones. 'n how did Amanullah's corporation with Germany keep us economically backward??? 'cuz of Germany's non Islamic religion??

[ScimitarXEdge]

Pakiiland 'n wishing AFG development?? is that why Taliban was so much against education and economic progress?? Jalaluddin's reason to encourage ppl wasnt same as those of Pakiis whose own hero Zinnah couldnt stop his own daughter from marrying a kaafir! 'n abt Darya, buddy, Darya's family still own a big land of Kunduz 'n his own father was a millionaire 'n even Darya earned so much money that he could enjoy rest of his life in USA 'n would never even need AFG. when ppl want to enjoy life they usually do it in west not risk their lives in AFG. 'n lets say its true he's helping the poor for himself. but lets someone snatches ur wallet 'n runs away 'n someone else stops him 'n gives u back ur wallet 'cuz at that time there's someone else with the saviour whose respect 'll grow for the saviour. the saviour is a bad guy 'n he only helped u 'cuz he wanted to increase his respect in other ppl's heart. 're u goin' to thank him 'cuz he helped u? or 'll u ignore him 'n speak of ill of him 'cuz he did it with a reason?? poor Afghans dont care abt WHY ppl help them 'cuz they need help regardlessly

No I never said Pakistan wishes Afghan development

but remember Pakistan is really just a proxy of America and Britain; so really when dealing with Pakistan you're dealing with puppets of Imperialism.


I'm saying if Pakistan says stuff about Science and Math; should we reject science and Math because Pakistan said so? That would be ludicrous; similarly just because Pakistan veils itself under Muslim identity doesn't make Pan Islamic Movement invalid.

Remember Pan Islamic movement started in Afghanistan, with Sayyid Jamaluddin Al Afghani, before the idea of Pakistan even existed.


Actually poor Afghans do care why people help them; because it was because Soviets came in pretending to "help" poor Afghans but only to promote their immoral culture that Afghanistan ended up in massive war and environmental destruction creatiing more poore afghans and orphans

[Michin Khel]

Pan-islamism was raised by ulema of india even before syed jamaludeen afghani. No one can rival the sentiments of indian muslims for muslim umma.

[Zahed]

No I never said Pakistan wishes Afghan development

but remember Pakistan is really just a proxy of America and Britain; so really when dealing with Pakistan you're dealing with puppets of Imperialism.


I'm saying if Pakistan says stuff about Science and Math; should we reject science and Math because Pakistan said so? That would be ludicrous; similarly just because Pakistan veils itself under Muslim identity doesn't make Pan Islamic Movement invalid.

Remember Pan Islamic movement started in Afghanistan, with Sayyid Jamaluddin Al Afghani, before the idea of Pakistan even existed.


Actually poor Afghans do care why people help them; because it was because Soviets came in pretending to "help" poor Afghans but only to promote their immoral culture that Afghanistan ended up in massive war and environmental destruction creatiing more poore afghans and orphans

Pakiiland 'll never ever encourage us for development 'cuz if there's any shiithole which 'll remain our arch enemies till end then its those Pakii govt 'n ISI munafiqeen. 'n lets say the earth turns upside down 'n they encourage us for developments then u 're forgettin' that there's massive diff between encouragement of development 'n encouragement of war. 'n it wasnt Russia destroyin' us it were our sold outs 'n *******s amongst Afghans one part servin' Russians others USA others Pakiiland others Iran others Arabs 'n NO ONE was there to serve us Afghans. atleast of Amanullah 'n Shah we could say they wouldnt fight against their own Afghans for foreign interest. Amanullah infact could even fight his own Pashtuns for his own interest. there was no lack of support for him

[ScimitarXEdge]

why cant we just rule our country for our benefit instead for Islam?? now dont tell me Afghans prefer being ruled Islamically 'cuz opposition against Taliban says more than enuf abt their wishes. 'n yes Kabulis lived according to his rules which continued even after his death, only strong opposition against Amanullah were Pashtuns 'n that also mostly tribal ones. 'n how did Amanullah's corporation with Germany keep us economically backward??? 'cuz of Germany's non Islamic religion??

This is a false dichotomy; opposition against Taliban isn't due to not wanting to be ruled Islamically; it's because they are corrupt. If Afghans didnt want to be ruled Islamically; then there would not be so much anger when people burn the Qur'an.

Amanullah's cooperation with Germany affected us economically because it allowed the British to divide our regions so we could not have access to our own resources. rather than focus on establishing local unity; He sought slavery to Germany. he could have expelled the British from South Asia so we could establish a powerful interregional economic cooperative.

We cant do stuff for our own benefit because It's actually against our benefit. Afghanistan's boundaries were made by the British; so we're fighting to protect their limitations placed on us. So if we are to benefit ourselves we have to think outside of our boundaries. Also all the people who argued about benefitting Afghanistan only ended up making us slaves of Imperialistic Kufar

[Shayesta]

It´s time wasting with you discussing anything from an objective view. Your comments are based on your pride as Pashtun and many fake myths about Pashtuns.

No no no, nowhere am I speaking as a proud Pukhtana, I am just ridiculing your myth of Farsiwan greatness and Pukhton evilness.

They were men enough fighting the slaves to death.

I see, and prove of that is the fact not even one Mujahid remained in Kabul when Taliban came? Despite of all the critics against Najibullah (a Pukhtoon), even he was more of a man to face Taliban till his death. Non of your Khorasani Mujahideen remained in Kabul after Taliban's arrival and the fact that except for Massoud all of them are alive says enough about their so-called dedication!

To prevent further destruction of Kabul Massoud decided to fight a defensive war and let pull out his troups from there.

Oh puh-lease! He could have easily joined Najibullah against Taliban, just how easily he joined Rabbani while destroying that very same Kabul you pretend he wanted to save!:

"On February 11, 1993, Massoud's men stormed through the Hazara suburb of Afshar, killing, by local accounts, up to 1,000 civilians, beheading old men, women, children, and even their dogs, stuffing their bodies down the wells."

We both know why you would even defend Taliban if it comes to ethnicity and breaking your fake myths.

And this forum knows why Khorasanis like you will keep defending sold-outs amongst non-Pukhtoons and keep up the fake myth that only Pukhtoons have served foreign interest.

As long you could beat and threaten an innocent and unarmed men, women, child you were feeling like a ''Sher'' but combating an armed opposition you proved your ''pride''.

That's exactly what Massoud and Rabbani's men have already done, and that's exactly his Northern Alliance followers have done. Don't speak of our pride, honour and fearlessness because you and your heroes got non to speak of. Taliban isn't playing hide-and-seek with NATO, while that's all your proud heroes did ever since Taliban arrived in Kabul.

After 09/11 90% of the operation against the Taliban were led by NA and could you done against them, then?

Yeah, after Northern Alliance's daddies a.k.a. USA came to their rescue, LOL. Not even 1% of the operations today is being forced by Northern Alliance and as long as their NATO protectors are there, nor will they come in action. Keep your backward ideology to yourself, especially since you keep on speaking of evidences but provide non.

Of course you are not scared. Because Pakistan, it´s ISI and army became your masters.

And with masters like 40 NATO countries, you are still scared of the Taliban? Choq choq choq, bechara!

Don´t worry, the movement against your masters and Taliban is running.

It's been running for a decade now, any result? Nope!

We are not scared about ourself but more about the fact that foreign elements step into our country.

Oh yeah, Americans, British, Germans, Canadians, Dutch, etcetera are your Persian blood-brothers? LOL, foreign elements!

And this time we are prepared for your kinds and know very well who the enemy is. You will see the cowardice of your brothers at the end.

At the end of what? At the end of NATO's departure? LOL, if the well developed, well armed and well trained likes of NATO couldn't eliminate the Taliban then what the hell are their students a.k.a. Northern Alliance capable of?

You **** in your pants when one is talking about Pakistan and ISI.

Really? I thought ISI and Pakistan were my masters, so why would they scare me anyway? And Pukhtoons only know how to beat your sh*t out, not the other way round.

You in fact support Taliban, you are Taliban, you provide the Taliban with their needs but when we step in front of your door you cry you are innocent and have nothing to do with the Taliban.

In fact you support Northern Alliance and NATO, you provide them with their needs but when Taliban threats keep increasing you cry and say you are innocent and never wanted NATO to be there in first place. And you yourself don't even have the guts to step into a Pukhtoon's house, that's what you got the Americans for. Let alone fighting the Pukhtoons.

That´s why there are several movements today.

Like which movement? Bachabazi movement?

you read in the book somewhere Iran and you assume it´s an Iranian source. It wasn´t Iranian.

Kid, read about the writer of the book (an Iranian) before providing me with her articles!

Don´t try to escape. What I wanted you to read had nothing to do with literature.

Tell me, what did you want me to read? I scrolled down as much as I could and all I found was that the tradition was brought by the Greek and became legalized in Persian areas.........?

I did not deny that. Thus I used the word ''mostly'' or ''mainly''...

Yeah yeah, right right. Mostly or mainly, these things happen all over Afghanistan so think a million times before opening your mouth and thinking of insults.

these women at least want to free themself unlike the majority of those innocent women and girls who are kept like prisons.

While we were speaking of Islam back then, you do know committing suicide is 'un-Islamic', right?

''Many Iranians'' do even not know Tajiks speak a dialect of Farsi or that they exists.

And yet you dream of Iranian support till the end? Or have the wish to join Iran? They don't even see you as Persians while nothing such is the case with Pukhtoons anywhere in the world. They simply don't believe what Tajiks believe, which is that Tajiks only got the naming 'Tajik' to maintain the difference between them and Arabs and Turks. Your thinking match nowhere, yet you can't stop begging to differ. Poor/desperate soul.

I do not care if you accept the facts or not.

You do, that's why you asked me to Google them. I am sure you must have read it somewhere and therefore directly me as well, so where is it? You haven't seen face of Kabul, and speak of living there since decades.

Yeah? That´s good but what does mean for the reality outside your dreams?

For reality outside your dreams it means that Nangarhar is one of the most well developed, rich and well educated provinces of Afghanistan today. And that also despite of Nangarhar being under more terror-attacks as compared to Northern Afghanistan, yet the province lays nowhere behind in development. Did I apply too much salt on your wounds now?

a certain academian with the name Dr. Abdul Sirat Sattar did not become a president because of his ethnicity but a shoe-cleaner of the Americans with his criminal clan who are not even half educated as they claim became President and governeurs in Afghanistan.

As compared to Bashardost, what has Sattar done to be worthy of presidency? As compared to Ghani, what has Sattar done to be worthy of presidency? Maybe you should have asked your Fahim'ak to support Sattar instead of Karzai, don't shed your crocodile tears in front of me.

Hazaras and Uzbeks are by far more educated and more developed than Pashtuns.

Why should I believe you if it's not true? Follow Ehsanullah Bayat's programmes more often, most troubled and underdeveloped ethnics in Afghanistan are Hazaras and Uzbeks. Since you claim to be an Afghan, have you ever seen an Uzbek or Hazara with mansions in Kabul? I am not talking about their warlords, but their ordinary civilians? I won't even speak of Uzbeks and Hazaras I know personally and under what type of condition they live.

Keep your nationalism for you. We do not talk here about Pashtuns, Tajiks or whatever. We talk here about Afghanistan.

No you don't, you only speak of Tajiks when speaking of good, and only speak of Pukhtoons when speaking of ill. I am not disabled not to understand your cheap mentality and tricks, nowhere have you spoken of Afghanistan. Nowhere.

Since among the ANA there are many traitors who would kill their own comrades to support Taliban.

Just how many traitors there are who would follow NATO commands? Yeah, right!

All those drug-addicted soldiers are recruited mainly in the south where poppy grows and grows.

While the rapists and Bachabaza are practising their sh*t in North? Get some rest, will ya? I guess all the war you poor little thing have experienced has dried every drop of brain which was left in you.

Where are today those old ''rulers''? Where are today those privileged tribes and tribal men? How do their lifes look like?

I see, where is the great Persian kingdom? The oh-so amazing Persia civilisation? How do the lives of ordinary respected Persians look like? Stop challenging me because at end you will only make a fool out of yourself.

Even Arabs could not manage anything without a Farsiwan and they were very civilised and related with states and administrations,

What the hell are you talking about!? In the past Arabs came to your lands, conquered Persia, brought Islam, brought Arab names, Arab books, Arab culture, and nearly 100% of Persians lived under Arab rules and a religion brough by Arabs. What's left for them do to that they would need a Farsiwan and what for!?

Everyone knows that Zahir Shah was Chars addicted and he was wasting his time more in such things than to the nation.

No, not everyone knows that. That's what Khorasanis want to believe, those very same Khorasanis whose army are only capable of 'hashish war' themselves and accuse others of 'hashish presidency'. To apply a bit more salt to your wounds:

In 1964, a new constitution transformed Afghanistan into a modern democracy, with free elections, a parliament, civil rights, emancipation for women and universal suffrage. Zahir Shah brought in foreign advisers, founded the first modern university, and fostered cultural and commercial relations with Europe. During his reign, Afghanistan enjoyed a period of stability. Afghanistan also became a popular destination for Western travellers wanting to view its rugged mountains and relics of ancient civilisations.

Even a Pukhtoon 'Charsi' is more capable than your Power Rangers team and NATO combined. And for sake of your age have a bit decency while posting such bullsh*t articles just to bring down Pukhtoons.

Relationship does not go via ethnical origin. Relationship goes via common identity.

In that case, Persian is not even an ethnic, it's just a common identity for whoever follows it's culture, language and customs. Right?

Arabs and Uzbeks became Pashtuns the same way as Hazaras became part of that identity that Farsiwans, Hazaras, Tajiks, Iranians represent.

Uzbeks are still Uzbeks, some speak Uzbeki as first language while others Dari. And Arabs have not just Pukhtunized, a bigger majority has Persianized since Persian areas were first areas they conquered:

Arab contingents settled throughout various parts of present day Afghanistan including the Wardak, Logar, Kabul, Balkh and in the Sulaiman Mountains. Over time they adopted local customs and languages, some became Persianized while others became Afghanized who followed Pashtunwali. This is confirmed in the 15th century work, Baburnama, which notes that the Arabs of Afghanistan have virtually lost the Arabic language and instead speak Persian and Pashto language.

Pakistani did fight against Soviets, too. Pakistan was the only country in the region who allowed non-Pakistani elements to get trained by the CIA special agents and members of the German Army.

In other words, you consider Pakistanis your 'helpers' who created murders like Massoud, Rabbani, Hekmatyar, Omar, etcetera? Then why are you so against ISI? If it wasn't for them, Massoud'ak would never have become your hero, right?

Iran did not allow them because it knew that they could possibly cause problems.

No, Iran didn't allow it because Iranwas friends with USSR, so why would they? Despite of Massoud's followers considering Russians as their enemies, they forgot their fellow Persian-brothers were friends with those very same enemies. Hint hint!

The slavery and loyality to Pakistan and ISI and many other groups began after the Soviets.

Then what was Massoud doing in Pakistan beforehand?:

In the early 1970s he joined the Islamic movements (in 1973 he tried to draw some officers to the Islamic cause). From 1974 on, these movements had to face the repression orchestrated by the Daoud regime. Like many Islamic leaders, Ahmad Shah Massoud went to Pakistan.

he is the vice-president because of his own ''zur'', not like Karzai who need other´s to establish him.

His own 'zoor'? Not by kissing American a$$? Can anyone who doesn't kiss American a$$ become his own king in Afghanistan these days? And that also a incompetent potato-nose Kasab like Fahim, who couldn't even defend himself against Taliban so let alone Karzai? Who the hell you think you are kidding?

Without Fahim he was and is nothing.

Fahim himself is nothing without NATO, the very same NATO without whom Karzai is nothing. Karzai was the president when Fahim wasn't even in his government, you and your bullsh*t again!

and who is your father? Do you 100% know that the money living with your mum is your real father?

Yes, I know very well whose blood I got. Me and jealous of a character like her? She is a very good singer and entertainer, though unlike some of your Tajikistani entertainers I am not a 'harami'. I got a father to speak of and his name is well stated in our documents. I wasn't forced to speak Russian, add 'ov' or 'ova' to my name, become more Western than Russians themselves and forget who my father is. And why feel the burn kiddo? She herself said in her interview she doesn't know who her father is, nor does her profile speak of her father or even his name! And make sure you don't go personal with me next time because now I have only spoken the truth about Shabnam, next time even I won't back off ridiculing your entire Qawm.

That´s their choice. It´s their people who sing in the same language.

When did I say that's our choice? I very fairly stated they are only interested in business with us, it's you who got emotional seeing fatherless creatures amongst them, not me. And it's you who ran away from facts I stated, not me. Oh wait, you haven't even stated one fact so far!

they sleep and live in dirt for 30 years. have to earn their monies with works that are inhuman and even your own proud Pakhtuns make fun of them.

You were in Pakistan for a year since when? Right after the refugee-flood? I was born there, been to Pakhtunkhwa/Balochistan/Punjab, got families living there for decades (both Pukhtoons and Tajiks) so don't even think of fooling me here! Not just Pukhtoons, even Tajiks owned massive houses, opened schools in Dari, could do business freely, and despite of the poverty of Pakhtunkhwa their people have done more humanitarian work for Afghan refugees than any of your Khorasanis ever have done or ever could do! Unlike Iran, Afghans weren't discriminated based on race or religion, nor where they forced in refugees camps, nor forbidden to leave the camps!:

Pakistan has been host to the world's largest refugee population. The issue of Afghan refugee in Pakistan is a protracted one, spread over 28 years. It is made complex by an equally long conflict in Afghanistan that has kept refugee influx alive, a movement helped by the porous border with Afghanistan and assistance of it's locals.

So now you speak for Farsiwans? That means you don´t give them the same right? What is if they just take their rights?

I am not speaking for anyone, I am speaking for facts. Tajikistan previously sealed their borders to prevent Afghan refugees, if they can't be that much of a help then merging with them is out of question. Why are you having difficulty admitting to this bitter fact?

Of course the Mughals. They do not know any Pashtun dynasty. Abdali had no affect on them

Oh yeah, that's why they have named their biggest missile after Abdali; Abdali Missile? Abdali's presence was much shorter than Moghals presence in Pakistan, yet I dare you to visit any Pakistani forum and ask them what Abdali meant for them? And oh, do have some tissues handy there!

except bringing a family with two faiths in one home to kill eachother either under the name of Islam or under the name of Hinduism.

If it wasn't for Abdali then Lahore would have fallen under Maratha rule, which was defeated several times by Abdali's forces. The Hindu defeat is the only reason Hindus preferred Moghals over Abdalis, nothing more and nothing less. There, another salt on your wounds.

as leader his son will soon at the end of this year replace his father´s role of the past. Once he is finished with his military study in America he will come back and teach Taliban their lessons.

His son is still in Kabul, not very far from Bagh-e-Bala, with tightest security in entire Kabul. He is not even man enough to show his face in public and you dream of him facing the Taliban?

[Alchemist]

Albani has raised an interesting question and the answer given by everyone has shown whose bias is where.
Those that are pashtoon (excepting DJZ) find it easy to turn racist and make racist jokes..swordboy saying "pashtoon women" are more mardana than tajiks shows why he is so anti-massood. Shayesta believes in the myth that pashtoons are an infallible people and have never betrayed Afghanistan. Nick says that it's ok to kick out Hazaras ...but uzbecks can stay...he is personally more familiar with the later and not as much with the former.

Pashtoons have to realize who they are first before they can go around telling others who or what they are and where they should go.

First go tell the 20 million pashtoons in Pakistan who they are. They seem severely confused as to what their roots are. Most of you pashtoons from Afghanistan, like Amir Al Ghaznawi and even Admin Khan have repeatedly said that the word Pashtoon and Afghan are synonymous. You should all go and first convince the pashtoons in Pakistan of that logic....then come and tell me not to call my self Afghan.

It wasn't a Persian ...a farsiwan ..who sold half of Afghanistan to the British Raj. It was a pashtoon. One of those Pashtoons who was delegated to sign the accords had even vowed alligences to the Punjabi from Qadian who called himself a prophet. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the rival to massood, was and is a dog of the ISI...the fact that he is still alive is proof enough that he is an asset to the enemies of Afghanistan. How many times did Masood go to Pakistan?

I think a few days ago Nick posted a video of a Pashtoon boy poorly singing the national anthem of Pakistan. A member by the name of Shahbaz or something like that said something to the effect " we should be more worried that the boy doesn't know urdu". When I read things like that on this forum... I get the idea that Pashtoons won't ever be able to build a country. If you have no sense of identity, you have no country. Afghaniayat is a state of mind ...its not a language your mother teaches you...or a gene you are born with. The real Afghans know that Afghaniyat is being lost and diluted by nothing else but ignorance and a lack of proper education. Everyone likes to believe that they are born special, very few would want to be special. If you live in Afghanistan, you are Afghan. I consider myself an Afghan in the making, because it is my dream and wish to return to Afghanistan. The rest of you can shoot as much hot air as you want...you won't make the ice over the Hindu Kush melt down and flood Afghanistan.

[Shayesta]

@Alchemist
Before jumping to conclusions bother yourself to read the entire discussion. I never ever claimed Pukhtoons haven't done any harm, all I proved to Kabulzada is if a Pukhtoon has betrayed Afghanistan then Tajiks haven't fallen far behind. It's him, Kabulzada, who keeps defending from Massoud, to Fahim, to Kalakani, to Rabbani just for ethnic's sake and when a Pukhtoon does the same for Taliban, or Najibullah, or Daud Khan then he is being called a coward terrorist. Not just that, even his accusations of how all Pukhtoons are homos and it's us, Pukhtoons, who have spread homosexuality to the entire region. Whatever you just accused me and the rest of doing is exactly the purpose Kabulzada has joined this forum for. He is not new to this e-world, I recognize these words.

All I can make out from your posts is that you have hardly followed even half of the discussions going on.

[Zahed]

This is a false dichotomy; opposition against Taliban isn't due to not wanting to be ruled Islamically; it's because they are corrupt. If Afghans didnt want to be ruled Islamically; then there would not be so much anger when people burn the Qur'an.

Amanullah's cooperation with Germany affected us economically because it allowed the British to divide our regions so we could not have access to our own resources. rather than focus on establishing local unity; He sought slavery to Germany. he could have expelled the British from South Asia so we could establish a powerful interregional economic cooperative.

We cant do stuff for our own benefit because It's actually against our benefit. Afghanistan's boundaries were made by the British; so we're fighting to protect their limitations placed on us. So if we are to benefit ourselves we have to think outside of our boundaries. Also all the people who argued about benefitting Afghanistan only ended up making us slaves of Imperialistic Kufar

forcing chadari on women, forcing beards on men, forcing namaz during prayer times, not allowing tv/ radia etc got nothin' to do with corruption bro. 'n even most westenized Afghans were fumin' at the quran burnin' but that doesnt they prefer to live in an Islamic country where everythin' happens on force. 'n for decades thats all we 've doin', servin' foreigners 'n did we profit??? I btw am not gettin' ur points regardin' Amanullah, plz provide some links for ur claims

[Michin Khel]

I fully agree with alchemist. We forget to think about ourselves when we put blame on others.

[ScimitarXEdge]

yeah even though I expressed support Kalakani who was a Tajik, apparently according to Alchemist I'm, against Massoud for being Tajik all because I relayed a joke about Tajiks which I myself dont believe actually applies.

brilliant deduction Moosty

ever think maybe I dont support Massoud because he was a treacherous two faced swine? and NOT because of his ethnicity?

[Zahed]

Albani has raised an interesting question and the answer given by everyone has shown whose bias is where.
Those that are pashtoon (excepting DJZ) find it easy to turn racist and make racist jokes..swordboy saying "pashtoon women" are more mardana than tajiks shows why he is so anti-massood. Shayesta believes in the myth that pashtoons are an infallible people and have never betrayed Afghanistan. Nick says that it's ok to kick out Hazaras ...but uzbecks can stay...he is personally more familiar with the later and not as much with the former.

Pashtoons have to realize who they are first before they can go around telling others who or what they are and where they should go.

First go tell the 20 million pashtoons in Pakistan who they are. They seem severely confused as to what their roots are. Most of you pashtoons from Afghanistan, like Amir Al Ghaznawi and even Admin Khan have repeatedly said that the word Pashtoon and Afghan are synonymous. You should all go and first convince the pashtoons in Pakistan of that logic....then come and tell me not to call my self Afghan.

It wasn't a Persian ...a farsiwan ..who sold half of Afghanistan to the British Raj. It was a pashtoon. One of those Pashtoons who was delegated to sign the accords had even vowed alligences to the Punjabi from Qadian who called himself a prophet. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the rival to massood, was and is a dog of the ISI...the fact that he is still alive is proof enough that he is an asset to the enemies of Afghanistan. How many times did Masood go to Pakistan?

I think a few days ago Nick posted a video of a Pashtoon boy poorly singing the national anthem of Pakistan. A member by the name of Shahbaz or something like that said something to the effect " we should be more worried that the boy doesn't know urdu". When I read things like that on this forum... I get the idea that Pashtoons won't ever be able to build a country. If you have no sense of identity, you have no country. Afghaniayat is a state of mind ...its not a language your mother teaches you...or a gene you are born with. The real Afghans know that Afghaniyat is being lost and diluted by nothing else but ignorance and a lack of proper education. Everyone likes to believe that they are born special, very few would want to be special. If you live in Afghanistan, you are Afghan. I consider myself an Afghan in the making, because it is my dream and wish to return to Afghanistan. The rest of you can shoot as much hot air as you want...you won't make the ice over the Hindu Kush melt down and flood Afghanistan.

no need to stick up for that shameless dog, bro. he's a big time racist 'n this is just ONE of the sites he's spitting his racism out just to make Pashtuns say whatever u just said 'n then he 'll use UR statement everywhere as in look this is what Pashtuns think of themselves.. 'n u btw realli need to go back to Kabul soon bro. 'cuz Afghaniyat isnt fadin' away but only get stronger 'n Pashtuns 're becomin' more 'n more consicious of their ID. but I'm convinced that pekhair Afghans 'll put aside their diff 'n learn to get along like we used to..

[ScimitarXEdge]

forcing chadari on women, forcing beards on men, forcing namaz during prayer times, not allowing tv/ radia etc got nothin' to do with corruption bro. 'n even most westenized Afghans were fumin' at the quran burnin' but that doesnt they prefer to live in an Islamic country where everythin' happens on force. 'n for decades thats all we 've doin', servin' foreigners 'n did we profit??? I btw am not gettin' ur points regardin' Amanullah, plz provide some links for ur claims

Most Mentally Colonized people of Afghan origins arent fuming over the Qur'an burning; who are you kidding? Most Afghans didnt care about forcing Namaz, or chadari; they cared about depriving education and basic amenities that the Taliban couldn't provide. If it was about forcing Namaz or forcing beards; then most Afghans would have burned the Qur'an themselves.

I didnt say serve foreigners I said stop being so nationalistically self centered; remember that Nationalism is also a foreign invention; how can you claim to be against Foreigners when you're following the formulas that the foreigners imposed on you. We have to think of the bigger picture; Afghanistan is something made by foreign powers; this is the truth, it's hard for many of us to admit it; but that's why we need to dissolve these artificial boundaries and go back to the Logical Ones.

And if we suffered by foreigners it's because we didnt follow Islam.

[ScimitarXEdge]

no need to stick up for that shameless dog, bro. he's a big time racist 'n this is just ONE of the sites he's spitting his racism out just to make Pashtuns say whatever u just said 'n then he 'll use UR statement everywhere as in look this is what Pashtuns think of themselves.. 'n u btw realli need to go back to Kabul soon bro. 'cuz Afghaniyat isnt fadin' away but only get stronger 'n Pashtuns 're becomin' more 'n more consicious of their ID. but I'm convinced that pekhair Afghans 'll put aside their diff 'n learn to get along like we used to..

If we cant even get along with Allah(swt) and obey his Laws how can we get along with ourselves?

[Shayesta]

Hahahaaa, I am really scared of this lady i.e., Shayesta and avoid to argue with her. She is such a hard-hitter....can knock your jaws down in a debate.

shayesta is a personal hero of mine.

I knew Shayesta before you dude so back off she is my hero.

tho since we speak of Shayesta sis even her own family 'n friends 're avoid discussions with her. her nickname isnt ONE MAN ARMY for nothin'. I'm not jokin' btw

not to make any racist jokes since I respect Tajiks and Uzbeks. but there is a saying that a Pashtun woman has more "mardani" than the average Tajik man.

I am not sure whether I should feel flattered or scary.......?