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    What a brave lady fighting the dis-information and raising Pashtun voice.

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    More misleading information — I —Farhat Taj


    Mr Haider’s most misleading information about the Ali Khels is that the Pakistani state supported their resistance to the Taliban. The fact is that the state abandoned the Ali Khels by design so as to punish them for their anti-Talibanism

    Mr Ejaz Haider responded to my article ‘Misleading information’ (Daily Times, April 2, 2011) via his two-part column ‘Responding to Farhat Taj’ in another daily (April 10, 2011). I had said in my article that, “Mr Ejaz Haider, as a political analyst, is expected to be honest and not to mislead people.” I regret to say that Mr Haider has produced even more misleading information in his response. The range of his misleading information is so wide that I cannot accommodate it all in one column. Therefore, today, I will comment on some of it, leaving the rest for my columns in the coming weeks.

    Mr Haider says that the Shia section of the Ali Khel tribe stayed away from the tribe’s armed resistance to the Taliban because the Shia Ali Khels had left the area before clashes with the Taliban had begun and were internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Kohat.

    It is true that the Shia Ali Khels were IDPs at the time of the armed clashes with the Taliban. But they were not IDPs on the other side of the globe. They were IDPs in next-door Kohat and Hangu. In a matter of a few hours, one can reach from Kohat and Hangu to Orakzai. Shia women, children and the elderly stayed on in Kohat and Hangu as IDPs but able-bodied Shia Ali Khel men did participate in armed clashes with the Taliban. A direct interaction with Shia and Sunni Ali Khel families will reveal to any investigator that Shia Ali Khels were killed as well as injured in the suicide attack on the grand Ali Khel jirga in 2008. Mr Haider says that “not one Shia” died in the attack. Let me mention a prominent Shia Ali Khel who was killed: Mir Askar Shaheed. Mir Askar was a well-known Shia Ali Khel tribal leader and an active member of the grand Ali Khel jirga leading the anti-Taliban lashkar. Due to a lack of space I am not giving more names of the Shia casualties in the suicide attack but some of the Shia casualties may also be confirmed from the Orakzai political administration.
    Over generations, the Shia and Sunni Ali Khels have intermarried. Therefore, it is not uncommon to find Ali Khels coming from mixed Shia-Sunni families. I have come across Ali Khels who were even ‘unclear’ about their sectarian affiliation. Such unclear Shia and Sunni Ai Khels also participated in the clashes with the Taliban.

    Moreover, the Shias could not have remained unaffected by the aftermath of the suicide attack on the Ali Khel jirga even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that they never took part in tribal clashes with the Taliban. As rightly pointed out by Mr Haider, the suicide attacks killed 100 and injured over 300 Ali Khels. Due to their intermarriages with Sunni Ali Khels, the Shias would still have their sisters and daughters widowed and nieces and nephews orphaned in a tragedy of this scale. The fact is that Shia and Sunni Ali Khels jointly resisted the Taliban and both sides suffered deaths and injuries.

    The anti-Taliban resistance was a united Ali Khel tribal move beyond any sectarian differences. The Ali Khels proved with their blood that they have the ability to set aside any sectarian differences and stand up as a united tribe against the extremist Sunni Taliban. All Muslim societies across the world that may be affected by any Shia-Sunni tension could learn a lesson in sectarian harmony from the Ali Khels of FATA. It is regrettable that the Pakistani media as well as the docile Pakhtun nationalists from the ANP and Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party have failed to present the Ali Khel tribe to the world as an excellent example of sectarian harmony in a Muslim society.

    Furthermore, Mr Haider says that Malik Momin Khan, leader of the Ali Khel anti-Taliban lashkar died in the suicide attack on the jirga. This is factually wrong. Momin Khan survived that deadly attack that killed some of his close relatives. Some weeks after the jirga attack, Momin Khan was target killed by the Taliban along with several of his relatives. Even the grand tragedy at the jirga had not broken his will against the Taliban. A man of strong determination, Momin Khan had already declared to reorganise the Ali Khel lashkar after the jirga attack to carry on tribal resistance. He had to be eliminated to definitively crush the Ali Khel resistance to the Taliban.
    Mr Haider’s most misleading information about the Ali Khels is that the Pakistani state supported their resistance to the Taliban. The fact is that the state abandoned the Ali Khels by design so as to punish them for their anti-Talibanism. The state had the full capacity to inflict a crippling blow to the Taliban and the Ali Khels had provided an excellent opportunity to the Pakistan Army to do just that. Mr Haider’s argument that the Pakistan Army could not come to help the Ali Khels because it was overstretched due to military operations elsewhere, is thoroughly hollow. The Ali Khel tribe had encircled the Taliban, killed several of them and destroyed their centres. How could some soldiers of the professionally trained Pakistan Army not achieve what ordinary farmers and drivers from the tribe were about to achieve — elimination of the Taliban — if their jirga had not been bombed and the political administration had not conveyed to them, in the aftermath of the jirga bombing, that they had been “too harsh” on the Taliban and now must face the music?

    The argument that the military operation was unpopular is also baseless. How could a military operation against the Taliban be unpopular in an area where the entire tribe is ready to take up weapons against the Taliban? It seems the military operations were unpopular in the GHQ, Rawalpindi and in the pro-GHQ media of Pakistan as well as among the natural allies of the GHQ — the religious-political parties of Pakistan. A targeted military operation against the Taliban has never been unpopular on the mountains and plains of Tirah where the Ali Khels live, and indeed all over FATA from day one of the war on terror.

    The other reason, seemingly, put forward by Mr Haider against a Pakistan Army intervention in support of the Ali Khel resistance to the Taliban is that the then Governor of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Ali Jan Orakzai, also a former general of the Pakistan Army, was against military operations in FATA. This pretext is good enough to mislead people on the eastern side of the river Indus and in the wider world. In FATA, no one takes it seriously.

    Was Ali Jan Orakzai so powerful that he singlehandedly overruled all the serving generals of the Pakistan Army, if indeed they were in favour of the elimination of the Taliban through targeted operations? Why was Ali Jan even appointed as governor if his views were so opposed to the will of the military-led government of General Musharraf? Did the Musharraf government search all over FATA and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and find no person with pro-military operation views to be appointed as governor? General Ali Jan Orakzai’s appointment as corps commander, Peshawar and later as governor, despite being a pro-Taliban individual, can only be logically seen and reasonably described as an individual best suited for executing state policy in FATA — not one undermining it.
    Whatever General Orakzai’s views on military operations, he could never be more pro-Taliban than a Punjabi fellow general, Safdar Hussain, who even signed a ‘peace deal’ with the al Qaeda-led Taliban in South Waziristan. Hardly anyone in FATA believes that Safdar Hussain, just like General Orakzai, was doing so without the full backing of the military high command. "
    Last edited by Toramana; 04-17-2011, 03:33 PM.

  • #2
    where does the Ikhwan factor into this?

    and what does the Taliban regionalist Traditional view have to do with the Ikhwans Pan Islamist, Modernist View?

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    • #3
      It's a pathetic state when someone with a Farangay last name is considered a "Pashtun Voice".

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
        where does the Ikhwan factor into this?

        and what does the Taliban regionalist Traditional view have to do with the Ikhwans Pan Islamist, Modernist View?
        LOOOOL, hes afraid of the other thread actually being read so he refused to comment there.

        Last I checked Ariana Huffington was neither Pakistani, nor an ISI stooge, nor an ikhwani, nor were her reporters.

        He's trying to do a cover up. Here is reproduced:

        Sorry Toramana, she can only speak for Pashtuns once she answers regarding which subtribe of shiah Bangash the Andersen clan belongs:

        Otherwise Farhat Taj ANDERSEN, is irrelevent as she always was as an agent of occupation.

        Article from other thread
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        **Well, you guys have been asking for the critical analysis... here you go a break down of the AIRRA data and why perpetuating Farhat Taj ANDERSEN's myths are going to lead to brutal stupidity and continued intervention. The article delves into her data and its absolute lack of nuance and misinterpretion.** See reddened and bolded criticism of the data itself below...

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wajiha..._b_389408.html

        The New York Times - Getting Pakistan Wrong


        In her December 5, 2009 New York Times article, reporter Sabrina Tavernise looks to history to explain why many Pakistanis are so critical of America. Unfortunately, Tavernise looks to the wrong history, focusing on Pakistan's trauma after the partition with India. Instead, she should have focused on US support for successive Pakistani military dictatorships.
        No doubt, as Tavernise highlights, there are conspiracy theorists in Pakistan, and criticizing America can be a powerful tool to elicit populist support. However, Tavernise's analysis ignores very real grievances regarding American interference in the country.

        It is worth noting that the last US-supported military dictator, General Musharraf, left the stage less than a year and a half ago. He allowed the Taliban to fester, ignored burgeoning economic problems, and institutionalized the military's illegal hold over governance. It is easy to forget that Musharraf's reign was the third period of U.S.-supported dictatorship in Pakistani history.

        The point is that while some Pakistanis might subscribe to outrageous theories, it is disingenuous to paint such a simplistic picture of the vast majority of Pakistanis. Tavernise's report that Pakistan's media outlets "trumpet" conspiracy theories is incomplete. Even a quick skim of major Pakistani television networks and newspapers reveals a robust national debate.

        In this debate, many Pakistani commentators place blame squarely on the Pakistani government for failing to protect its citizens. These commentators also blame Pakistan's military and intelligence agencies for past support of militant organizations.

        Tavernise's article isn't the only example of problematic Pakistan analysis at the New York Times. There is also Scott Shane's December 4, 2009 piece, "C.I.A. to Expand Use of Drones in Pakistan." Shane's piece deprives American readers of an opportunity to truly evaluate U.S. drone missile attacks.

        The article focuses heavily on the thoughts of "one government official," who not-so-surprisingly is an advocate for drone attacks. Shane's article does mention that some counterinsurgency experts question whether the attacks do "more harm than good." However, he doesn't investigate these potential downsides.

        Instead, Shane calls Pakistani press reports of hundreds of civilian casualties "sketchy." He gives more space to the same unnamed "government official" who claims that civilian casualties are "just over 20." The piece references a well-researched New America Foundation report claiming that between 260 to 320 civilians have been killed, but then immediately negates the quote with another quote from the unnamed "government official."

        Setting aside Shane's dependence on an all-knowing secret government source, the negative consequences of drone attacks are real:

        1. CIA drone attacks undermine indigenous Pakistani efforts to combat militants by redirecting popular attention to basic questions of the country's sovereignty.
        2. The attacks push militants away from the tribal areas and deeper into Pakistan's urban centers, dispersing previously consolidated forces.
        3. The attacks result in significant civilian casualties, which consequently increase anti-American sentiments.
        4. Those civilian casualties serve as a powerful recruiting tool for Pakistani Taliban militias.

        Shane also presents a partial sketch of a recent Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy report on the views of 550 residents of the tribal areas where drone attacks occur, authored by anthropologist Farhat Taj -- who claims that professionals in FATA view the drone missiles as "liberators." A more careful look at the survey, however, reveals that the report's findings are so split down the middle as to be inconclusive.

        When asked whether the drone attacks bring about "fear and terror in the common people," 45% of respondents answered in the affirmative. "Fear and terror" are powerful words. When respondents were asked whether they thought the drone strikes were "accurate in their strikes," 48% answered "No," and 42% believed the missiles increased anti-American sentiment in the tribal areas. 100 of those approached declined to answer. These results are at best inconclusive, but by no means provide a solid argument in favor of drone attacks.

        The New York Times needs to do a better job of reporting on the nuanced and diverse views of Pakistani civilians. Not only that, but the newspaper should also be more independent in its coverage of policies like drone missile attacks. More than two-and-a-half thousand Pakistanis have died in terrorist violence, and some three million Swat and South Waziristan residents have become refugees. Pakistani viewpoints deserve better coverage, and American readers deserve better analysis.
        Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 04-17-2011, 03:58 PM.
        "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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        • #5
          For your entertainment purposes, link to the other thread:

          http://www.pashtunforums.com/politic...ndersen-16188/

          Who cares about Mr. Haider, Faider, Maider, or Marshal Mathers the third. LOL. Shes caught like the little Bangash wannae rat she is and it was an American newspaper that did it to her. Above is the link to the thread he wants to cover up.
          "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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          • #6
            Arianna Huffington; represents the Liberal Left of the American Intelligenstia. She represents and models exactly the type of thinking that Toramana idealizes for Pashtunkhwah.

            So weird that he'd want to label her an Ikhwan lol

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            • #7
              The excellent thing is that each time we debate her here, the number of times her full name is utilized increases exponentially. Then, due to google's search algorithms, this site is one of the top sites that pops up regarding utilizing even her spliced name that she attempts to sham people with. So it lends its self to undoing her untruths and getting the truth out there about her motives.
              "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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              • #8
                It's unimaginable would think foreign imperialists would be deemed "liberation" by Pashtuns of all people who have historically opted to fight Imperialists than their own no matter how tyrannic their own maybe. All the while undermining the close relationship of the Pakistani Government and the United States have. This is all a scam red herring to smokescreen the masses.

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                • #9
                  What can one say about the moral bankruptcy of those that prefer post-modern life-style for themselves but glamourises death, annihilation, and ultimate descent into the abyss of misery for others mostly poor people (who have got no better option in life constrained by the situation) under the pretext that people do according to their choice... Driven by zeal and abstraction, they can malign anyone if they deem it necessary for the realization of their utopia.

                  Anyhow, kudos to our dear Pukhthana sister that alone is fighting the war of claims and rebuttal with a whole lot of chauvinists, fascists, and fanatics hell-bent to kill innocent Pashtuns for the realization of their fascist dream of imposing the Sharia fiefdom of Mullah Umar (whereas they prefer to live under the kafir system) and implementing the plan of Gen Zia-ul-Haq to extend the frontier of the Punjabi Empire farther to the Hindukush.

                  Last edited by Toramana; 04-17-2011, 04:51 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Well that argument itself is based on false premises; in a contemporary Capitalist hegemonistic order; modernism is imposed artificially manufactured institution inplaced from colonial enterprise of the recent past; The rapid conquest and deforestation of South American Rain Forests is evidence of that. Such arguments are really forms of emotional black mail to silence the problem of Modernity, and make it seems that it's critics are deliberately contradicting themselves when really it's a condition they had no choice over. No one asked for an artificial Imperialist order to demarcate and disturb the global ecological sysem. And this is what kills the poorand keeps them in dismal condition; because it justifies the Institutional Constructs which made them "poor" rather than simple people who lived in ecological harmony with the Natural World; by trying to make it seem as if this lack of conforming to the exploitability of Modern Insititions that they're being deprived; when the deprivation paradoxically comes from the intrusion of those institutions

                    In that, these individuals are not "brave Pakhtanas" or "brave women" or "brave men"; these are just smokescreens of *******izing the Symbolic Values associated with terms and identities; in reality they're the opposite; they're Agents for an Imperialism which seeks to consume and destroy until the planet is a worthless husk. It's the Great Game no longer of Asia but of the Entire World.

                    and This is the true face of Moral Bankruptcy.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
                      Well that argument itself is based on false premises; in a contemporary Capitalist hegemonistic order; modernism is imposed artificially manufactured institution inplaced from colonial enterprise of the recent past; The rapid conquest and deforestation of South American Rain Forests is evidence of that. Such arguments are really forms of emotional black mail to silence the problem of Modernity, and make it seems that it's critics are deliberately contradicting themselves when really it's a condition they had no choice over. No one asked for an artificial Imperialist order to demarcate and disturb the global ecological sysem. And this is what kills the poorand keeps them in dismal condition; because it justifies the Institutional Constructs which made them "poor" rather than simple people who lived in ecological harmony with the Natural World; by trying to make it seem as if this lack of conforming to the exploitability of Modern Insititions that they're being deprived; when the deprivation paradoxically comes from the intrusion of those institutions

                      In that, these individuals are not "brave Pakhtanas" or "brave women" or "brave men"; these are just smokescreens of *******izing the Symbolic Values associated with terms and identities; in reality they're the opposite; they're Agents for an Imperialism which seeks to consume and destroy until the planet is a worthless husk. It's the Great Game no longer of Asia but of the Entire World.

                      and This is the true face of Moral Bankruptcy.
                      Pa khair thaso sa oo-farmayal...agha pa khwanay gap dai ka sa nawi pa kai shtha?

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                      • #12
                        Who the buck is this farhat task and why did a bunch of random people get offended when she is being compared to ekhwanies.
                        Which one of you is an ekhwani???

                        I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

                        non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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                        • #13
                          what's so brave about serving the Imperialistic Hegemony of Europeans which has been a global menace for the last 500 years?

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                          • #14
                            What's going on here, I'm lost. I have nothing to say.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
                              what's so brave about serving the Imperialistic Hegemony of Europeans which has been a global menace for the last 500 years?
                              ScimitarXEdge, that is some blind interpretation of other people intentions...

                              Hahaha now it is time to get out of this going to be mess affair...

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