Farhat Taj versus ISI mouthpieces and Akhwani fanatics

[ScimitarXEdge]

well perhaps they have "good intentions" but they're patsies of Whites

and the fact their last name is "Andersen", represents the fact they allows a Farangay to "penetrate" their womb which is also symbolic of Farangyan penetrating the Watan.

[Bengal_Tiger]

The sad fact is that unfortunately FTA (Farhat Taj Andersen) is not just some writer producing articles for the media but actually has (had) some involvement in Pakhtunkhwa affairs.

Farhat, being a consultant of Baacha Khan Research Center located at ANP Centeral Secretariat, really shocks us by writing such article.

http://www.khyberwatch.com/forums/sh...212;Farhat-Taj

Any condemnation of orthodox militant groups by people who at the same time idealize America lacks credibility in my opinion, as it was the same America that supported such orthodox militant (I do not want to use the holy word "Islamic" for people that do not deserve it) groups in the first place, and is now condemning them.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

What can one say about the moral bankruptcy of those that prefer post-modern life-style for themselves but glamourises death, annihilation, and ultimate descent into the abyss of misery for others mostly poor people (who have got no better option in life constrained by the situation) under the pretext that people do according to their choice... Driven by zeal and abstraction, they can malign anyone if they deem it necessary for the realization of their utopia.

Anyhow, kudos to our dear Pukhthana sister that alone is fighting the war of claims and rebuttal with a whole lot of chauvinists, fascists, and fanatics hell-bent to kill innocent Pashtuns for the realization of their fascist dream of imposing the Sharia fiefdom of Mullah Umar (whereas they prefer to live under the kafir system) and implementing the plan of Gen Zia-ul-Haq to extend the frontier of the Punjabi Empire farther to the Hindukush.

Interestingly enough with running to Canada, you simulataneously fall into both categories that you despise at the same time!

After all, tis you that promotes farhat taj ANDERSEN's now debunked work where she has the gall, the indecency, and the misfortune to call for fire from above to reign down in the tribal folks with promoting drone strikes. And then even beyond that gall she actually makes it out as if the folks there want that to happen to them.

Notice Toramana glossed over the detonation in his world of a logic bomb with the Huffington Post article debunking his goddesses work:

**Well, you guys have been asking for the critical analysis... here you go a break down of the AIRRA data and why perpetuating Farhat Taj ANDERSEN's myths are going to lead to brutal stupidity and continued intervention. The article delves into her data and its absolute lack of nuance and misinterpretion.** See reddened and bolded criticism of the data itself below...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wajiha..._b_389408.html

The New York Times - Getting Pakistan Wrong


In her December 5, 2009 New York Times article, reporter Sabrina Tavernise looks to history to explain why many Pakistanis are so critical of America. Unfortunately, Tavernise looks to the wrong history, focusing on Pakistan's trauma after the partition with India. Instead, she should have focused on US support for successive Pakistani military dictatorships.
No doubt, as Tavernise highlights, there are conspiracy theorists in Pakistan, and criticizing America can be a powerful tool to elicit populist support. However, Tavernise's analysis ignores very real grievances regarding American interference in the country.

It is worth noting that the last US-supported military dictator, General Musharraf, left the stage less than a year and a half ago. He allowed the Taliban to fester, ignored burgeoning economic problems, and institutionalized the military's illegal hold over governance. It is easy to forget that Musharraf's reign was the third period of U.S.-supported dictatorship in Pakistani history.

The point is that while some Pakistanis might subscribe to outrageous theories, it is disingenuous to paint such a simplistic picture of the vast majority of Pakistanis. Tavernise's report that Pakistan's media outlets "trumpet" conspiracy theories is incomplete. Even a quick skim of major Pakistani television networks and newspapers reveals a robust national debate.

In this debate, many Pakistani commentators place blame squarely on the Pakistani government for failing to protect its citizens. These commentators also blame Pakistan's military and intelligence agencies for past support of militant organizations.

Tavernise's article isn't the only example of problematic Pakistan analysis at the New York Times. There is also Scott Shane's December 4, 2009 piece, "C.I.A. to Expand Use of Drones in Pakistan." Shane's piece deprives American readers of an opportunity to truly evaluate U.S. drone missile attacks.

The article focuses heavily on the thoughts of "one government official," who not-so-surprisingly is an advocate for drone attacks. Shane's article does mention that some counterinsurgency experts question whether the attacks do "more harm than good." However, he doesn't investigate these potential downsides.

Instead, Shane calls Pakistani press reports of hundreds of civilian casualties "sketchy." He gives more space to the same unnamed "government official" who claims that civilian casualties are "just over 20." The piece references a well-researched New America Foundation report claiming that between 260 to 320 civilians have been killed, but then immediately negates the quote with another quote from the unnamed "government official."

Setting aside Shane's dependence on an all-knowing secret government source, the negative consequences of drone attacks are real:

1. CIA drone attacks undermine indigenous Pakistani efforts to combat militants by redirecting popular attention to basic questions of the country's sovereignty.
2. The attacks push militants away from the tribal areas and deeper into Pakistan's urban centers, dispersing previously consolidated forces.
3. The attacks result in significant civilian casualties, which consequently increase anti-American sentiments.
4. Those civilian casualties serve as a powerful recruiting tool for Pakistani Taliban militias.

Shane also presents a partial sketch of a recent Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy report on the views of 550 residents of the tribal areas where drone attacks occur, authored by anthropologist Farhat Taj -- who claims that professionals in FATA view the drone missiles as "liberators." A more careful look at the survey, however, reveals that the report's findings are so split down the middle as to be inconclusive.

When asked whether the drone attacks bring about "fear and terror in the common people," 45% of respondents answered in the affirmative. "Fear and terror" are powerful words. When respondents were asked whether they thought the drone strikes were "accurate in their strikes," 48% answered "No," and 42% believed the missiles increased anti-American sentiment in the tribal areas. 100 of those approached declined to answer. These results are at best inconclusive, but by no means provide a solid argument in favor of drone attacks.

The New York Times needs to do a better job of reporting on the nuanced and diverse views of Pakistani civilians. Not only that, but the newspaper should also be more independent in its coverage of policies like drone missile attacks. More than two-and-a-half thousand Pakistanis have died in terrorist violence, and some three million Swat and South Waziristan residents have become refugees. Pakistani viewpoints deserve better coverage, and American readers deserve better analysis.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

The sad fact is that unfortunately FTA (Farhat Taj Andersen) is not just some writer producing articles for the media but actually has (had) some involvement in Pakhtunkhwa affairs.



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[BarakzaiAbdali]

ScimitarXEdge, that is some blind interpretation of other people intentions...

Hahaha now it is time to get out of this going to be mess affair...

Very similar to your blind interpretations of X's intentions

Admit defeat Mr. Mana lol. Your dame got slammed in the intellectual pooper here and is exposed. I know that in your sick dreams there would be a country built called the United States of Pashtunica and her head would replace the head on the statue of liberty and all would do sajdaah to Taj ANDERSEN as the ideal woman comrade walker.

Here though, we utilized logic and crushed her falsities. Now she can skulk back without having answered which clan the Andersen clan belongs to in the Bangash tribal order.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Apparently she is a convert to Christianity according to the following sources.

There is a strong group of Afghan Northern alliance at Islamabad , who has established an Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy (AIRRA) at Islamabad funded by anti-Pakistan quarters. Their major aims and ambitions include keeping busy Pakistan army in civil war. Majority of communists and cronies of India and Russia are sitting at Islamabad for spying on Pakistan . Its office is established in a large palace at a posh area of Islamabad . Farhat Taj Andersen is their spokes person, who is a Christian convert and based at Oslo

http://silentxpert.wordpress.com/200...-actual-facts/

Her full name is Farhat Taj Andersen , she converted to Christianity and moved to Oslo from where she conducts treachery against Pakistan.

http://arzepakistan.com/showthread.p...exactly-is-she

The second site is a Pakistani nationalist one.

However I do not think such a person represents the views and aspirations of ordinary Pakhtoons.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Very similar to your blind interpretations of X's intentions

Admit defeat Mr. Mana lol. Your dame got slammed in the intellectual pooper here and is exposed. I know that in your sick dreams there would be a country built called the United States of Pashtunica and her head would replace the head on the statue of liberty and all would do sajdaah to Taj ANDERSEN as the ideal woman comrade walker.

Here though, we utilized logic and crushed her falsities. Now she can skulk back without having answered which clan the Andersen clan belongs to in the Bangash tribal order.

ah but see Toramana has privied access to my inner psyche, which I don't have on his; it's the good chars he smokes in peshawar that gives him this ability.

[Toramana]

The article quoted is an old one published in 2009 written by some non-Pashtun Paki most probably out of loyalty to the Punjab-dominated state or association with Pan-Islamist movements like Ekhwanul Muslimin or Al-Qaueda having assigned themseves the responsibility of media campaign for these organizations (drones have taken out key Al-Qaueda leaders so the opposition to drones).

Also many people in the PakAfg diaspora have been planted by Pakistani intelligence apparatus to propgate Pakistani state description of the situation on ground and so to justify Paki policy with regard to FATA and its people. The ultimate aim is to keep creating a conducive environment for the continuation of Pakistan's strategic depth policy vis-a-vis Pashtuns and Afghanistan.

Obviously, these people have no sympathy with the people of FATA. Their concern is the protection of militants and preservation of their sanctuaries. The death of civilians is a convenient excuse to oppose drones, which are very effective and has popular local support. Many times more people have been killed by Pakistan's army and suicide bombing yet such elements have never condemned them.

This is another ball-game, Mr Loin of the Bengal. These are the same Al-Badar and Al-Shams (Ekhwani organizations) forces that collaborated with Punjab's army to kill your people in millions. So don't trust them.

[ScimitarXEdge]

similarly individuals like Farhat Taj and Toramana have been planted by the CIA fraudulently assuming Pashtun identities to derail and create false credibility as a "native voice" to create red herring from the American/British/Capitalist Nexus for Imperialistic Hegemony. Since the CIA created Al-Qaeda and to validate their conquest they can impose themselves in the region more directly with military conquest, with the Al-Qaeda scapegoat. Hence the "drones" being used can be legitimized in their conquest as well as disguising the proxy relationship Islamabad has with the CIA manufacturing the ISI's capabilities.

strange eh?

[graveyardofempires]

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[Toramana]

I neither have sympathy with US nor Al-Queda and Taleban. First and foremost I am a Pashtun nationalist and resent the fact that in this game and crossfire between the US, Punjab's military, and transnational pan-Islamism, Pashtuns are the ultimate victims. Anything that can lessen their suffering or put an end to it or propagate their voice is welcome.


Moreover, Bangal_Tiger, the articles you have posted are just rubbish....

[Bengal_Tiger]

Toramana,

I gave my sources for that assertion and used the words "Apparently"...and "according to", and mentioned that they were Pakistani "nationalist" sources, nor did I omit their use of the word "treachery" so that people could see they were clearly Pakistani nationalist sites. The same sort of sites which are of course very anti-Bangladeshi.

You mention the Badr and other idiots, however what you do not realize, in your supposed infinite wisdom, is the Mukhti Bahini themselves were Muslims and read Islamic prayers and invocations even whilst fighting and even today many retired Mukhtis are bearded gentlemen, some whom have performed Hajj.

It is the Pakistani-ISI-Zaid Hamid type propaganda of the type that people such as Talal, Manzareh, Jana, Luffy, Son of Mountains, the thugs of forum.pakistanidefence wholeheartedly breathe in that makes them think the Pakistan army were glorious Mujahideen and the Mukhti Bahini were evil Hindus.

The Pakistan army were led by secular nationalist leaders and generals who were trained by the British Raj, served the British Raj and were part of the same army, soldiers of whom were fighting the Faqir of Ipi (rahmatullahi alaih).

The Mukhti Bahini included brave former East Bengal Regiment officers who had defended Lahore in 1965 but were betrayed by the Punjabis in 1971 and they were proud Muslims.

One of the man liberation commanders Zia ur Rahman became president later on and a strong exponent of Islamic co-operation in the Muslim bloc.

The greatest Bengali and the true father of Bangladesh is actually an Islamic scholar, one whom you have probably never heard of, Maulana Abdul Hamid Khan Bashani. He was part of the Bangladeshi government in exile who fought against the Punjabis and this Islamic scholar was speaking of East Bengal leaving Pakistan way before Mujib ever did.

Your knowledge of East Pakistan/Bangladesh is superficial and shallow. Things are not like how the "Jeevay, jeevay Pakistan" types such as Farzana Shah ("Jana") potray, but nor are they the way the Islam-bashing secularists potray.

Islamic scholars and spirit played a part in our liberation and our resilience. The Mukhti Bahini included pious, religious people.



True father of modern day Bangladesh, the legendary Islamic scholar, Maulana Abdul Hamid Khan Bashani (rahmatullahi alaih).

[BarakzaiAbdali]

The article quoted is an old one published in 2009 written by some non-Pashtun Paki most probably out of loyalty to the Punjab-dominated state or association with Pan-Islamist movements like Ekhwanul Muslimin or Al-Qaueda having assigned themseves the responsibility of media campaign for these organizations (drones have taken out key Al-Qaueda leaders so the opposition to drones).

Also many people in the PakAfg diaspora have been planted by Pakistani intelligence apparatus to propgate Pakistani state description of the situation on ground and so to justify Paki policy with regard to FATA and its people. The ultimate aim is the creation of conducive environment for Pakistan's strategic depth policy vis-a-vis Pashtuns and Afghanistan.

Obviously, these people have no sympathy with the people of FATA. Their concern is the pretection of militants and preservation of their sanctuaries. The death of civilians is a convenient excuse to oppose drones, which are very effective and has popular local support. Many times more people have been killed by Pakistan's army and suicide bombing yet such elements have never condemned them.

This is another ball-game, Mr Loin of the Bengal. These are the same Al-Badar and Al-Shams (Ekhwani organizations) forces that collaborated with Punjab's army to kill your people in millions. So don't trust them.

LOOOOOOOOL.

Give me a break. Quit grasping at straws. The article dissects the numbers for the Huffington Post. You, once again, made the claim and have the burden of proof on you. Its like me saying, people named Toramana are murderers, therefore, Toramana is a murderer. So once again, here is the key little tidbit:

Shane also presents a partial sketch of a recent Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy report on the views of 550 residents of the tribal areas where drone attacks occur, authored by anthropologist Farhat Taj -- who claims that professionals in FATA view the drone missiles as "liberators." A more careful look at the survey, however, reveals that the report's findings are so split down the middle as to be inconclusive.

When asked whether the drone attacks bring about "fear and terror in the common people," 45% of respondents answered in the affirmative. "Fear and terror" are powerful words. When respondents were asked whether they thought the drone strikes were "accurate in their strikes," 48% answered "No," and 42% believed the missiles increased anti-American sentiment in the tribal areas. 100 of those approached declined to answer. These results are at best inconclusive, but by no means provide a solid argument in favor of drone attacks.


As predicted, the lady, when she finally made her ****ty, academically piss poor data available, looks like a loon.

Regarding the suffering of Pashtuns, you ought to talk to this gentleman, Mr. Resham Khan, and tell him that Miss Taj Andersen of the "rare" but mysterious Andersen Bangash clan really wants him to not suffer by dropping bombs on his head:

http://www.npr.org/2011/03/22/134755...Missile-Attack

"The U.S. has been conducting a covert program using unmanned drones to target militants in Pakistan since 2004. According to the Long War Journal, an authoritative website, the large majority of the 2,000 people killed in drone attacks since 2006 were from the Taliban, al-Qaida and affiliated groups.
That's scant comfort for Resham Khan, a shepherd from North Waziristan, a region of mountains and neglect, who is a now a psychiatric patient suffering extreme depression at a hospital in Islamabad.
He can barely mumble his name. Resham's brother Mulaqat sits on the bed beside him and says his brother's decline began with a drone strike last summer.
"Resham was two miles from the strike, but his two cousins were killed," he says. "Not long afterwards, Resham became incoherent. By October he stopped talking, he stopped eating." Mulakat says his devout brother even "stopped praying."
A doctor who practiced in North Waziristan said that 70 percent to 80 percent of patients came to him, not with physical maladies, but depression and anxiety.
"There are shootings, curfews and uncertainty" because of the Taliban and the drones he says. The doctor, who asked not to be identified, says "there is collective depression."

lol, now I am sure you will say Miss Julie Mccarthy of NPR is an ISI panjaby agent too and she wants to kill Bengalis etc etc.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Bottom line Toramana, you and Farhat Taj ANDERSEN just play party politics. To you guys life means little... its just chaai with Achekzai saib, wearing red hats, and chanting slogans about Bachaa Khan. Mr Resham's plight is of little utility in your paradigm and you are so stubborn and so linked to Lil Tajji that you cannot even fathom question her absurd contention that the Waziri tribesmen love drones flying above their heads with payloads on the verge of deploying on their cousins.

Learn to think out of the box and away from the slogans. Here on western soil there is no PMAP or ANP or Afghan Mellat or any of that other trash from the motherland.

Bottom line: Justice 1 Farhat Taj ANDERSEN 0

[Bengal_Tiger]

I neither have sympathy with US nor Al-Queda and Taleban. First and foremost I am a Pashtun nationalist and resent the fact that in this game and crossfire between the US, Punjab's military, and transnational pan-Islamism, Pashtuns are the ultimate victims. Anything that can lessen their suffering or put an end to it or propagate their voice is welcome.


Moreover, Bangal_Tiger, the articles you have posted are just rubbish....

I have no problem with you saying the articles are rubbish, in fact I was partially looking for someone to refute the claims made in those articles.

The quality of language is poor, and the sources - being Pakistani nationalists, whom as we all know are liars - are of course dubious.

This is why to repeat I said:

"Apparently"

and

"According to.."

nor did I hide the sources of this claim (not my claim, but their claim) and gave them so people could judge for themselves. I think your opinion that they are rubbish is a valid one.

However, I am pro-Pashtun and stand in solidarity with Pashtuns against the same forces of evil that killed my people, and it was Pashtun nationalists in 1971 who went out to the streets and risked imprisonment to protest against the massacre of Bengalis. So from that Pashtun-centric angle I share my reservations about Farhat Taj as Mr Zahid Bunerai, the owner of Khyberwatch and proud Pashtun patriot expressed in my quote above.

Both are peoples have been the victims of Punjabis misusing the Islam card to promote their agenda at our expense.

Islam has nothing to do with Pakistan or with Punjabi nationalism, or Ranjeet Singh, or Heera Mandi.



This is Asma Bibi, a proud Muslim and Pakhtuna (rahmatullahi alaiha) who passed away in the floods. Punjabis try to potray anyone opposed to Pakistan as an enemy of Islam, whilst extremists such as Kafir Maseed on the other hand try to potray anyone Islamic as an ISI-supporter.

Islam is part of Pashtunwali and Pashtuniyat, and so are Islamic heroes such as Faqir of Ipi and Baba Ahmed Shah Abdali (rahmatullahi alaihim).

Please do not ever associate Islam with the British-created state of Pakistan, Au'dhubillah.