dr najeeb speech on shah nawaz tanai

[khyaal]

As I stated before, you have no grasp of reality when it comes to dealing KP because the data is absent. And as I asked, are you ready for a government to arise that is Pashtuncentric and dominated by us alone as it was? If not, then you ought not rely on historical constructs to justify your view on Pakistan.

LOL. This government is here just for three years. What was before this government and what your cherished Taliban will do to tackle punjab we will see. Unfortunately you know too little about Pashtuns from KP or from Afghanistan. Come here and people from both sides will tell from who are behind this fake insurgency. Even Punjabis now confess that they are heavily involved in afghanistan. Sorry you know too little about us.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

LOL. This government is here just for three years. What was before this government and what your cherished Taliban will do to tackle punjab we will see. Unfortunately you know too little about Pashtuns from KP or from Afghanistan. Come here and people from both sides will tell from who are behind this fake insurgency. Even Punjabis now confess that they are heavily involved in afghanistan. Sorry you know too little about us.

Sorry Ma'am deal with the facts, not anecdote. You asked for the figure, I cited it and the reference. So rather, it appears you are unfamiliar with it at all. As I asked: Are you willing to state for the record that every single Afghan who is firing a gun at NATO is doing so for Pakistan and Pakistan alone? Do you stand by that statement?

[khyaal]

Here you go again trying to deflect the fact that you are a Tajik at a Pashtun forum. Once again, the ethnic title Afghan is not yours to take as much as you cry and moan about it. Whether I hailed from Swat, Qandahar, Jalalabad, or Kunar makes no difference because I am still bloodwise more AFghan than you are. The consistency is clear and the thread flows just fine. My claims above are 100% in line with what I said before. We offered them the opportunity to pursue their stupid strategic depth policy. Instead, we ought to have sat back, made some popcorn, and watched the house fold in on itself when they had no common enemy on their border. The Bugti revolt showed in and of itself how unstable that house is. Instead, we pissed our pants and ran into UN meetings crying about some land that we had no military capacity to retake. That is called stupidity and your view is called perpetuating stupidity.

LOL. Yeah I'm a Tajik from Charsada, occupied Pakhtunkhwa, and a few members here know me personally.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

LOL. Yeah I'm a Tajik from Charsada, occupied Pakhtunkhwa, and a few members here know me personally.

Well, no wonder you heap accolades onto ANP. Charsadda as I understand it is their stronghold. In this case, you would do well to stand back and let us make our own decisions without your input. It appears that you Pakistanis, including the Pashtun brethren are fond if experimenting on us. You either want to hoist Najib on us one day and then the Taliban on us the next... make up your minds.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

LOL. Yeah I'm a Tajik from Charsada, occupied Pakhtunkhwa, and a few members here know me personally.

I had you confused with Khidr. My apologies for the mistake.

[Toramana]

Khyaala tha hagha shan Mahmood Khanai yai ka na oos dai party badala karai da yaw zal bya?

[unknownprince]

please answer my previous posted question somebody

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Quick question, are the Afghans who raise up arms against US because their family members were killed in an airstrike or night raid Punjabi/ISI agents?

Who has made that assertion? NATO's entry into Afghanistan is the prime example of the greedy capitalist world playing with the lives of some of the poorest people in the world for the sake of profits. The only moral thing thus is to oppose that occupation in any way or form.

However, I wish it were as simple as that. The fact that many of the key commanders of Afghan resistance movement are given sanctuaries and logistical support by the Pakistani agencies cannot be ignored. The Pakistanis want their stake in any post-war Afghan government, just as they wanted it when Najeebullah was in power. That is why I believe that no matter who wins in Afghanistan, the Pashtuns will lose. If NATO wins, we Pashtuns will be the losers. If Hekmatyaar, Omar and Haqqani find themselves in Kabul once more, again, we as Pashtuns would lose. It's the perfect Catch-22 situation.

ANP and PMAP are the real anti-imperialist and true Pashtun patriotic parties...That is why they are so hated by the Punjabi establishment and intellectual elite (and their Islamist allies), who waste no opportunity to malign /mispresent them....Anything Pashtun nationalism is dangerous for the Punjabi-defined Paki nationalism and must be dubbed un-Islamic (to make it controversial)...

Rest the Pashtunistan thing is right and I agree with that...

Yeah, it's a common misconception amongst Punjabis and even some Pashtuns that Bachaa Khan was a Communist atheist and an agent of the KGB. They mistake the Khudai Khidmatgar's red with that of Lenin's. You'd think that these are slurs against Bachaa Khan but those people genuinely believe this.

I have to admit that religion has been misused to perfection in this situation to deprive the Pashtun people of their rights as a nation of more than 50 million souls. Being a good Muslim is being a pro-Pakistani stooge and whoever raises his voice for Pashtuns is automatically a nationalist and hence not a good Muslim.




As for the man in question, Najeebullah found himself in an Afghanistan where just about every bearded loony with a death-wish had been gathered by Mossad, the CIA, MI6 and the ISI. Many crimes were committed during those years. However, to malign the man completely is to not understand the situation at all.

[khyaal]

Well, no wonder you heap accolades onto ANP. Charsadda as I understand it is their stronghold. In this case, you would do well to stand back and let us make our own decisions without your input. It appears that you Pakistanis, including the Pashtun brethren are fond if experimenting on us. You either want to hoist Najib on us one day and then the Taliban on us the next... make up your minds.

BTW, I'm a member of PMAP. And lo you and your Paki friends have found another scape goat (PMAP and its leadership) to brood and concoct about.

[Toramana]

Bacha, Lewnaye Zalmiya, as rationalists we would admit many things including some mistakes by Dr Najibullah Shaheed but who would make these ideology-driven people to concede any ground...One gentleman here claims Arabs never did any imperialisn when in domination (as if they are immune to that).

[BarakzaiAbdali]

BTW, I'm a member of PMAP. And lo you and your Paki friends have found another scape goat (PMAP and its leadership) to brood and concoct about.

Yawn. I could care less about these repeated assertions that you FOB make regarding me being an agent of Pakistan. I do not adhere to your idiotic paradigms. The results are plain for all to see regarding the inability to achieve little and the continued maintainance of an oligarchy. Read the paper Admin Khan posted and note that these movements have sustained a completely incredulous situation over there that is a detriment and is merely party politics as usual as opposed to anything that actually advances Pashtun causes. Bottom line my friend, study Abdali and utilize the model I proposed above... your other pathways have failed and are sure proof to fail again. Erect a meritocracy, harnass the staying power of Islam against Pakistan, and you will see the devastating effects that Abdali realized and that Mir Wais realized when they utilized that massive bazooka.

[khyaal]

Exactly. That ought to tell you something when you see comparable platforms being sold to the masses by agents who hug eachother in privaet (i.e. MQM leadership and Achekzai). Its all a farce. They peddle secularism and irreligiousity in Karachi and other Panjab centers because that is what they prefer... yet the view zealous but directed religiosity as OK for KP Pashtuns. They are deathly afraid of that gun turning back on them. As I stated, once NATO is gone, once the northern alliance is smashed to pieces, once Fahim and dostum are trialed for their crimes and Karzai is trialed alongside them, so too should one seek to put Zardari on block.

Even Pakis establishment's islamic card can't justy colonization of the land of afghans. They have kept on their control only through their military might.

BTW, I told here before that they won't spare any Pashtun/afghan leadership around which afghan nation could gather. Your and your company's accusations against Karzai, Najib, Wali Khan, Bacha Khan, Mahmood Khan etc are liked with the same theme; never to let Pashtun afghan unite. You are just the same like every other Punjo.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

please answer my previous posted question somebody

My wrorre, do not expect responses to reality from party driven political ideologues. They are trapped in a mental conundrum/box.

[unknownprince]

Who has made that assertion? NATO's entry into Afghanistan is the prime example of the greedy capitalist world playing with the lives of some of the poorest people in the world for the sake of profits. The only moral thing thus is to oppose that occupation in any way or form.

However, I wish it were as simple as that. The fact that many of the key commanders of Afghan resistance movement are given sanctuaries and logistical support by the Pakistani agencies cannot be ignored. The Pakistanis want their stake in any post-war Afghan government, just as they wanted it when Najeebullah was in power. That is why I believe that no matter who wins in Afghanistan, the Pashtuns will lose. If NATO wins, we Pashtuns will be the losers. If Hekmatyaar, Omar and Haqqani find themselves in Kabul once more, again, we as Pashtuns would lose. It's the perfect Catch-22 situation.

What a claim? If the Taliban and OTHER Afghan groups have most of their crucial sanctuaries and bases of operations in Pakistan, then US would have controlled nearly all of Southern Afghanistan. This is not the case. If the majority of the Taliban are hiding out in Pakistan, then who is fighting in Kandahar, Laghman, Gardez, and Kunduz? Are their traveling donkeys fighting?

Again, I ask you, when children are killed, and families raise up arms due to badal, are they now Punjabi agents?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Even Pakis establishment's islamic card can't justy colonization of the land of afghans. They have kept on their control only through their military might.

BTW, I told here before that they won't spare any Pashtun/afghan leadership around which afghan nation could gather. Your and your company's accusations against Karzai, Najib, Wali Khan, Bacha Khan, Mahmood Khan etc are liked with the same theme; never to let Pashtun afghan unite. You are just the same like every other Punjo.

Yawn again. No wonder you fail at all that you do. Keep singing the swan song my friend. Panjo, African, etc. it matters not a lick or whit to me. Go read a few history books, see if you can come up with an alternative plan that makes sense and that is not just politics as usual for your people. You gaurantee death, destruction, and lunacy with your planning, led by folks that are fat cats actually operating within the Islamabad parliamentarian system. Yet somehow, you claw at Panjabi phantoms in your own brethren. I do not need to make any cases against those men, they have done it to themselves, time and time again with inept leadership. Dont worry compadre, me? I will live just fine by Gods good grace. I was born free and will, God willing die so. You on the other hand appear to have great difficulty escaping the red hatters dilemma (i.e. the fact that you guys are mass produced at some factory outside of Quetta like cookier cutters).