Why I dislike pashtuns

[Wrayun]

My request to Admins/Mods, please ban the little kids from this discussion.

Let girls-are-bad ask her questions, and leave from here satisfied to the least.

Cavemen, go back to your caves if you can't control your emotions.

[graveyardofempires]

no need to close the thread

we are having a good discussion even though i dont understand this claim you made.


"an educated guy would be more tolerant and courteous towards others and be able to discuss things in a civilized way like we are doing here".

you claim to be educated and yet being intolerant towards other cultures and people.

so can you atleast clarify your claim or did it just sound intelligent or educated to write that?

[Wrayun]

This is a PASHTUN forum... hence posting stupid threads like this is bound to get a response thats not all hugs and cuddles....

Man cut your nonsense, you are always singled out for not being Pukhtoon enough, Muslim enough, and now you are doing the same.

This is a Pukhtoon forum, and she has questions for Pukhtoons. She hasn't insulted anyone. When she does, let us know. If you can't handle it, kindly, leave.

[girls-are-bad]

ok thanks

I will be back tomorrow, have to go sleep now.
p.S i do admit the title was offensive, my mistake. i apologize for that

[Wrayun]

Whether he or she, our Urdu speaking bhai/bhain is more than welcome to have a civil discussion.

[graveyardofempires]

Whether he or she, our Urdu speaking bhai/bhain is more than welcome to have a civil discussion.

but he doesnt want to answer this question in a civil manner.

i ask him for a clarification on his claims.

Originally Posted by girls-are-bad
an educated guy would be more tolerant and courteous towards others and be able to discuss things in a civilized way like we are doing here.

?


does anybody agree with this?

[graveyardofempires]

exactly what are you asking?

Originally Posted by girls-are-bad
An educated guy would be more tolerant and courteous towards others and be able to discuss things in a civilized way like we are doing here.

clarification

[gadoonwal]

close the topic please. i'm starting to feel like i;m offending people here which is the last thing i wanted. so i apologize !!! peace to all

to gadoonwal: i think you dont understand the concept behind a forum. i dont gain anything by posting here in fact here it is almost 4.40 in the night and i'm still up because of this discussion.

have a good night. A good sleep is very important for a healthy person.

[Lemar]

Good night all! it's 4:32 AM here!

[Toramana]

Whether he or she, our Urdu speaking bhai/bhain is more than welcome to have a civil discussion.

Wrayun, I am seeing your partiality first-hand. If it were a Farsiwan or Tajak, you would not be that tolerant/accommodative.

[Admin Khan]

ok thanks

I will be back tomorrow, have to go sleep now.
p.S i do admit the title was offensive, my mistake. i apologize for that

That's fine. You are more than welcome here in our community. Feel free to post all the questions you have.

[Admin Khan]

Originally Posted by girls-are-bad
An educated guy would be more tolerant and courteous towards others and be able to discuss things in a civilized way like we are doing here.

clarification

Let me clarify. He, your Muslim brother, registered in our community to discuss something that pertains to our site. In response, many uncivilized members decided to make a big joke about it. Shame on each and every one of you for living up to the stereotypes coined by our enemies in this very thread. Most of you pretty much prove the stereotype that we are jahils. I had to delete at least 100 posts from this thread, and it's still full of junk. From this point on, "Girls-are-bad" can feel free to pose any question he/she feels like he/she has, and only members who are capable of having a civilized discussion can feel to post their rebuttal. Those that want to post "lulz, hehehee, you guys are crooks" can feel free to post their nonsense in the Hujra. Leave the politics section for grown and mature people.

One of our Admins banned one member, and we have no problem with banning others if we see a similar, yet consistent behavior. Now Girls-are bad, please tell us more about the concerns you have. The goal of this community is to clear up the misconceptions other ethnic groups have about us. I hope with our discussion, you can learn from me, and I look forward in learning from you.

Since you live in Karachi, and since English might not be your first English, I have no problems in debating with you in Urdu. I look forward to your questions.

Best,

-Admin

[Toramana]

National integration can't be forced and/or based on a culture/language (i.e. Urdu-Hindi) not native to the land. Moreover, if there is ever going to be any such thing as Pakistani nationhood, that would have to be synthisized from the cultures of the native people i.e., Pashtuns, Sindhis, Baluchis, Punjabis, etc., who are the sons and daughters of the soil.

How can a group themselves immigrants ask the natives to adopt their culture? This doesn't seem to be the right moral and political principle.

Karachi before 1947 was a cosmopolitan city that Pashtuns start immigranting to at the beginning of 20th century. Urdu-speaking immigrants started arriving in Karachi in 1947. And that gained momentum in late 1940s mainly due to Liaqat Ali Khan's pro-Mahajar policies. Pashtuns had to migrate to Karachi for jobs/economic opportunity. Pashtun labour force has a major contribution towards the development of Karachi especially its infrastructure.

The diversion of resources by Mahajars as financial managers of Pakistan etc. especially during early decades towards Karachi contributed to the uneven development in that country. Most of the investment also was done in either Central Punjab or Karachi. The institutions like Industrial Law authority were controlled by Mahajors who favoured their own community while sanctioning industrial etc. loans which widened the gap between developed areas like Karachi and under-developed provinces like Pukhtunkhwa, interior Sindh, Baluchistan, etc. That is why people from these under-developed areas had to migrate to urban centers like Karachi to find jobs.


As for the ownership claim, Sindhis have the first claim to Karachi followed by other native people. Urdu-speakers cannt lay exclusive claim to Karachi and the national culture (if there is ever one to be in Pakistan) cannot be derived from the cultural ethoes of one select community alone. Pakistan is a multinational country after all.

[Admin Khan]

@Admin-Khan

I totally agree with you on that. No doubt Karachi owes a lot to pushtuns.

I am glad you are aware of that. Without us Pashtuns, you won't be able to get on that 11-c or G-3 to travel to Saddar. We pretty much work for a low income, and our employment at the end of the day assists your growing economy. Don't be xenophobic brother, we Pashtuns have fought wars for your nation. Embrace them with love.

But the problem in my opinion is that, the immigration has kinda spiralled out of control. And with a vast majority of the pushtuns who come here from the north and west being uneducated and involved in low paying jobs, it is unfair to taxpayers who don't want the city to become too overburdened as a result of rural-urban migration.

Do you think Pashtuns travel to Karachi by choice? Do you think a Pashtun of Mardaan or Swabi or even Swat wants to leave his homeland to become a Chowkidaar in Al-Asif square or something? Since the government doesn't focus on their areas, they are forced to come to your side of the town for employment. Besides, it's not really tax-evasion because these very Pukhtuns are getting jerked left and right daily by Muhajirs. If you don't believe me, ask any Pashtun rickshaw driver how he has to pay unnecessarily to traffic police officers who swear that he missed this imaginary red-light. And the minute he objects the "chalaan" he is abused, and insulted. So please, if anything, Pashtuns have helped various ethnic groups earn their livelihoods. Pashtuns work hard for their money, yet they are consistently being terrorized. I'm sure you are aware of the "units". Most Muhajirs are highly educated, and they don't want to be Rickshaw drivers, so Pashtuns sort of fill up those spots.

Don't you think it would be more conductive for economic growth if pushtuns stayed in their own province and worked towards it's development.

Absolutely. However, the government has ignored Pashtunkhwa. Do you honestly think your current government views Swat on the same level as it views Lahore and Karachi? No one wants to leave their homeland. Kandahar is full of UrduSpeakers too. I can name many other Pashtun areas as well. The few places that currently offer some economic incentives are also full of your people too. We can't point fingers at one another for minor things. We have to work together in developing our region. If you fix your internal policy vis-a-vis Pashtuns, things will change. Oh, and while your at it the foreign policy also needs some work.

Har insaan ta khpal watan Kashmir dey.
Har insaan ko aapna watan Kashmeer lagta hain.

Moreover, I have found it to be quite annoying when pushtuns talk about things like pushtooniat/pushtun pride etc (that includes a large number of pushtuns I have encountered)

Get used to it. That's all I can say. This isn't something new. We have been following Pashtunwali/Afghanwali for quite sometime now. We don't bite though, we are very hospitable people.

Now this is a relatively new concept for me and in my opinion it's a setback to the promotion of a COMMON NATIONAL FEELING (something that is essential for a country to advance and stay peaceful)

Pashtuns are different. We speak a different language, and our culture is extremely different.

[randolph85]

admin khan is my hero.