Why do Afghani Pashtuns hate Pakistan?

[khyaal]

^ Gilgat and baltistan technically part of kashmir, you also mention balochistan in your list, to get access to arabian sea.
My afghanistani bro, Dont be so greedy for other people's land.

House negro! You have read all history from a Punjabi perspective. The region of Gilgit and Baltistan were part of Badakhshan province of Afghanistan. Like you I'm not from some Tokar Niaz Beg, Chichoki Malian, Pind Dadan Khan or Chak number 12, I'm from Charsada.

[Michin Khel]

And i am from herat, prove me wrong.

[KhalsaWarrior]

I would also disagree that it is mere propaganda that RAW operates in Afghanistan:

http://books.google.com/books?id=nNT...igence&f=false

Here is Scheuer's piece in the diplomat with quiet a bit of detail about indian military involvement in the region and the antagonism this creates:

http://the-diplomat.com/2010/08/30/t...ar-flashpoint/

Let me add my two cents here. I cant add much to the original topic around the views of Afghan Pashtuns about Pakistanis, as I am not a Pashtun but an Indian. However the latter also gives me the ability and the right to respond to the above.

Most of what Scheur has mentioned regarding Indian strategy is just reiteration of the Pakistani allegations and fears. And Scheur is frank enough to admit that. Its no doubt that India has its commandos in Afghanistan but what do you expect when the Taliban threatens and bombs your diplomats and construction workers.

And India most probably will leave Afghanistan if NATO leaves without establishing a sovereign security infrastructure. India wants to help Afghanistan and hopefully decrease Pakistani influence in the process, but not at the cost of hundreds of Indian lives exposed to Pakistani backed Taliban. And if India leaves midway driven by security fears, the loss will only be Afghanistan's.

[khyaal]

Before anyone attacks me personally id like to state that i am not a supporter of the afghan government or the paksitani one neither am i against them, i see afghanistan being a united nation with Tajiks,Uzbeks,Hazaras,Pashtuns etc...JUST AS paksitan is a united nation with Punjabis,Sindhis,Balouch,Pashtuns..

Afghans claim that some Pashtun people in KP are slaves of Punjabyaan, weras i see that as a ludicrous comment as much as saying Pashtuns in Afghanistan are slaves of the persians as sworn enemies of pashtuns such as Uzbek are allowed in the government that hate pashtuns more than punjabis do. Pashtuns have seats in the pakistan govt but if the govt of afghansitan was run by Uzbeks or other persians i doubt pashtuns wud be given any positions.

It's funny how afghans don't hate U.S for what they have done to them but instead hate everybody else possible. Afghans have sided with india over pakistan and still there are refugees in pakistan giving afghans shelter, some afghans even brought guns, drugs into pakistan but wernt kicked out, most of afghan supplies come from Pakistan, we all know that.

id like to ask the afghans here that are sworn enemies of pakistan and call for its destruction, that admit the persecution of punjabis but deny the perisan hate for pashtuns or the 25,000 innocent afghans murdered by america in just 10 years, that side with india a nation that has caused mass genocide against muslims in gujrat. some questions..

1. Why was Afghanistan last to recognize Pakistan as an independent country?


2. Why did Afghanistan provide Air bases to Indian Air force in 1971 India-Pak war?


3. Why is there heavy Indian intelligence presence in Afghanistan, even now?

(I hear that Indians don't want American presence in the region, though the want American investment in India itself, so it must use Afghanistan's shoulder hypocritically without confronting US openly)


4. Why did Afghanistan generally and strongly disagree with Pres. Musharraf's proposal of fencing the Afg-Pak border to check movement of terrorists?
(They even tried to alley the fear that common/displaced people will be restricted on either side, by providing them computer biometric ID cards. But the check post guards on the Afgh side simply tore the cards when presented, calling them non sense!)


5. What about how Pashtun nationalists try to break up Pak for a greater Pashtunistan. They tried to entice Pak Pashtuns to break away from Pak, but to no avail.


6. Pak gave 7 million Afghan Pashtuns shelter at the time of the Soviet war, & there are still Afghan Pashtuns in Pak today. What did Afghan Pashtuns do for Pashtuns East of the Durand Line in 1921 & 1948?


7. When India was 'neutral' defending the Afghans, it was Pak that protected Afghanistan from being slaughtered by the Soviets.


8. Afghanis let Najibullah (pro-Indian/Soviet) become president. Afghanistan let India support the Northern Alliance, & served as a proxy against Pak.


9. Afghanistan let India stir up proxy wars in Pak in the form of the TTP & BLA

10. They instilled a pro-Indian Pashtun (Karzai) who's the biggest drug trafficker


11. Is Pak responsible for different Pashtun tribes fighting each other in Afghanistan?

Just anwer my one simple question and all shall then try to reply to all of your questions.

My question is;


Why Pakistan occupied Pashtuns'(afghans') lands of NWFP which then included Attock; the region of district Peshawar, and Mianwali; the district of Tehsil Banu , Southern Pakhtunkhwa or former Quetta commissionerate and northern areas of Chitral, Gilgit and Baltistan in 1947, knowingly very well that these areas were part of Afghan state which the then British colonialists had grabbed from Afghanistan?

Obviously our land had never been part of India or the Indian sub-continent.

[سلطان]

Toranama as much as you like to think it, we dont all see you as the all knowing oracle of pashtuns infact we dont all see you as an authority on pashtuns or muslims either, with due respect take your head out of your ass and talk with respect, in my first sentance i wrote "before anybody attacks me personally" and then you go ahead and attack me personally and then have the nerve to call me childish?? this is the last time i will speak to you in a respectful manner, if i read anything from you that attacks me believe me i will haunt you on this forum till you block me.

Manzareh, a respected individual with self respect doesn't follow his statement of 'with all due respect' with street words such as you have shown above. Lag wa sharmega. Especially if Toranama is a female (as her profile picture suggests).

[Manzareh]

Sultan, if your a muslim then i doubt youl be sticking up for Toramana again.

[Michin Khel]

Manzareh, a respected individual with self respect doesn't follow his statement of 'with all due respect' with street words such as you have shown above. Lag wa sharmega. Especially if Toranama is a female (as her profile picture suggests).

Oh marha dont worry toramana is not female

[Azmal]

This Azmal guy is calling YOU a pencil d.ick, as your a "ta bandi ma bandi" pashtun or a pashtun from a region which is not classed as afghanistan on the world map, weres your honour than to have your tail inbetween your legs from fear of being dissed by afghanistanis, if i used the word d.ick you and every other afghan wud be blasting me for it, but all you can say is "can you please not refer to personal attacks" your a joke.

Il tell you what azmal, since your an afghanistani with the biggest d.ick in the world, why dont you be a man and say "i hate the 30 million pashtuns east of the border" you despise pashtuns which dont speak your persianized dialect, your a one man fag that is not getting his flat dari square head trampled on or chinky mongolian eyes taken out ther sockets for the simple reason your behind a computer screen. your from afghanistan and your superman..go save your people and dari from america then. your a nobody, face it, so act like a nobody you bachabazi afghan

Mule,
I suppose by parroting a lie, you hope it'll morph into a truth? What a dysfunctional imbeciles Paki liar, true to form and tradition. I say it again…Just because occupied Pashtonistan has lowly, people like you, doesn’t mean rest of my brothers and sisters there to share your shame.
You see, your Punjo master look into wayward simpletons like you and your hateful rage of emptiness, and laugh at the prospect of using you for cannon fodder against the Afghans…these pakis cherish your st.upidity and profit from it….But rest assure…there are those among us who'll make sure to pull you away by your dense head and keep you from diving into oblivion. We will not retire until we break Pakistan…that’s a promise.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

^^Azmal you can get the point across without personally attacking certain individuals. Manana

[Michin Khel]

^^Azmal you can get the point across without personally attacking certain individuals. Manana

That is very sweet and apologetic tone, perhaps azmal reminds you of afghan-soldier.

[Azmal]

^^Azmal you can get the point across without personally attacking certain individuals. Manana

Wrora,
You’ve got to give me credit for communicating to an audience which happens to stand on four legs.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

That is very sweet and apologetic tone, perhaps azmal reminds you of afghan-soldier.

A little obsessive lolz.

[Manzareh]

Wrora,
You’ve got to give me credit for communicating to an audience which happens to stand on four legs.

You are a half pashtun, i am a full pashtun, you cannot speak pashto, i can speak pashto, you speak farsi, i speak pashto, you have farsiwali, i have pashtunwali...so who the he.ll do you think you are talking to me about paki this and paki that when thers nothing pashtun about you. do back to panjshir valley. did your father not teach you pashto?? poor boy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Manzareh; when I said he's half Pashtoon and speaks Farsi, I didn't say that so you can use it against him.

He just finds the gross excesses of Pakistani policy whether through ISI proxies or otherwise has caused harm. So when he hears defense of Pakistan he finds such unjust and must be vilified.

Please do not degrade our Brothers in Panjshir; they are also MUSLIMS. If Azmal degrades Punjabis this is wrong, but does that excuse others doing it too?

[Manzareh]

Manzareh; when I said he's half Pashtoon and speaks Farsi, I didn't say that so you can use it against him.

He just finds the gross excesses of Pakistani policy whether through ISI proxies or otherwise has caused harm. So when he hears defense of Pakistan he finds such unjust and must be vilified.

Please do not degrade our Brothers in Panjshir; they are also MUSLIMS. If Azmal degrades Punjabis this is wrong, but does that excuse others doing it too?

Brother Scimitar read my previous posts to this Azmal i have been dissing him about being a non pashtun farsi LONG BEFORE you mentioned it to me. it was evident without you confirming it.

and as for your last sentance i agree with. thanks for reminding me