Why do Afghani Pashtuns hate Pakistan?

[PakhtunWarrior]

why do you understand if a punjabi calls him self a paksitani?? after all he is an Indian is he not?? he has indian blood running through his vains so what gives him the right to say he's a pakistani when he parents and grandparents were in a place named india 60 years ago. its the same thing with pashtuns and afghanistan my friend, how can you not see this.

Sorry, I typed it wrong. I meant I would understand if a Pashtun who has been raised in Punjab all his life, speaks only Punjabi or Urdu or whatver they speak, can't understadand a word of Pashto, is surrounded by Pakistanis and he is the only Pashtun in the city... Then i could understand why they would call themselves Paksitanis.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I don't hate anything in this world except injustice, corruption and immorality; it just so happens Governments like that of Pakistan operate on all three of those and have since it's Early days. For these reasons I feel the dissolution of the state of Pakistan is necessary, as is the dissolution of ALL Nation States, as Nation States, which includes India and Pakistan and most others are products of Imperial Design and Corruptions.

The way I feel about Pakistan is the same way I feel about Industrial Society, Capitalism, Environmental Destruction, Materialism and other poisons.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

I feel that Manzareh has touched upon a point many other Pakhtuns from the Lar side have, which is this revulsion towards the hypocricy of "Afghan" Pashtuns.

Afghanistan is a multi ethnic state, and so is Pakistan. Afghan no longer means Pakhtun exclusively. We cant expect these Lar Pakhtuns to abandon their livelihoods and identities and progress and side with another multi ethnic state not even a quarter as prosperous

Loy Afghanistan is a hypocritical stance that deserves to be left behind in the dustbin of history

Afghanistan as a state has been just as big, if not the biggest impediment to Pakhtun unity, so we cant single out the Pakistanis.

If we accept this premise, you will find more willingness and greater embrace from Lar Pakhtuns, but not by degenerating the little identity they have left

And if we accept this premise, we must accept that social and cultural unification is a priority over political, and that we must accept the status quo as it is, until we develop and build Bar Pakhtunkhwa.

Once thats done, the Lar Pakhtuns will turn to us with greater ease in economic and educational cooperation.

You cant scream Lar aw Bar Yaw Afghan when we dont have a rail link between Quetta and Kandahar

its my honest belief that Pakistan is a failed state, and ultimate reunification of ethnicities and redrawing of borders is an inevitable outcome. prepare for it now.

[torkham]

simple answer: pakistan has been playing a double game with afghanistan and with pashtun people living east durand line since 194x.

[Toramana]

simple answer: pakistan has been playing a double game with afghanistan and with pashtun people living east durand line since 194x.

Bacha sometimes, I confuse torkham with torkhan....

[Azmal]

Before anyone attacks me personally id like to state that i am not a supporter of the afghan government or the paksitani one neither am i against them, i see afghanistan being a united nation with Tajiks,Uzbeks,Hazaras,Pashtuns etc...JUST AS paksitan is a united nation with Punjabis,Sindhis,Balouch,Pashtuns

Afghanistan as country was established by blood of her own people, while pakistan was created due to Pakistani elites servitude Colonial Britain, with their reward having been the wholesale theft of other people’s lands. Pakistan is not a nation but a army garrison. In fact Pakistan has no identity for even Islam is not unique to Pakistan as Judaism is to Israel.

Afghans claim that some Pashtun people in KP are slaves of Punjabyaan, weras i see that as a ludicrous comment as much as saying Pashtuns in Afghanistan are slaves of the persians as sworn enemies of pashtuns such as Uzbek are allowed in the government that hate pashtuns more than punjabis do. Pashtuns have seats in the pakistan govt but if the govt of afghansitan was run by Uzbeks or other persians i doubt pashtuns wud be given any positions.

You can't have it both ways, either your Afghan(Pashton) that values Pashton national interest or your a Pakistani...you clearly show your the later..thus as a Paki you should not worry about us Afghans. For us Afghans know friend from foe.

It's funny how afghans don't hate U.S for what they have done to them but instead hate everybody else possible. Afghans have sided with india over pakistan and still there are refugees in pakistan giving afghans shelter, some afghans even brought guns, drugs into pakistan but wernt kicked out, most of afghan supplies come from Pakistan, we all know that.

On contraire, the gun and drug culture is "rewards" that Pakistan give to these refugees…not to forget the extremism culture. where these refugees were brainwashed in Pakistani government run Madrassah into Taliban. According to national security advisor Brzezinski, the CIA's intervention in Afghanistan throw their proxies Pakistan precedes the 1979 Soviet invasion…thus arming of Afghan refugees started by Pakistan not the other way around as you absurdly claim afghan refugees bringing arm to Pakistan. The Drug, gun culture and extremism was unheard to Afghanistan in 70s, most of which Afghan refugees learn while residing in Pakistan. It was Pakistan that shameful exploited deprived and brutalized Afghan youths nurtured in their refugee ghettos and indoctrinated in their immoral “madrassahs” so to wage their precious army’s wars against India and Afghanistan. Seriously how Pakistanis can pretend velour in place of what is otherwise a stupendous display of national cowardice is a charm only Pakistanis can lay claim to.

id like to ask the afghans here that are sworn enemies of pakistan and call for its destruction, that admit the persecution of punjabis but deny the perisan hate for pashtuns or the 25,000 innocent afghans murdered by america in just 10 years, that side with india a nation that has caused mass genocide against muslims in gujrat. some questions..

Poor try to channel the righteous hatred of Pakistan toward US, India, Persians...forget about genocide of Gujrat home town of your founding father Ali Jenah...think about genocide of Pashtons in Wazeristan, Swat, and indirectly genocide of pashtons by strategic depth and Kabul must burn policies.

1. Why was Afghanistan last to recognize Pakistan as an independent country?

Pakistan as country is successor of Kafir British raj for Muslim Afghanistan...in fact if you read Ali Jenah speech in 1947 about FATA and Pashtonsitan...he emphasis that British forward policy towards Afghanistan must continue… to continue keeping people of FATA backward and in check with the filth of Dewbani and inhuman British raj policy of collective punishment and political agent. Afghanistan after two years realize the danger of Pakistan and in 1949 held a loy-jerga nullifying all the pervious treaty and formally voted against Pakistan membership to UN.
Even to this day Pakistani establishment is the same mercenaries of the British Raj engaged in violence and betrayal against their own!

2. Why did Afghanistan provide Air bases to Indian Air force in 1971 India-Pak war?

Pakistani propaganda ..biggest blender of Zahirshah during indo-paki war was to fulfils his promise to Pakistani ruler not to attack them from back.

3. Why is there heavy Indian intelligence presence in Afghanistan, even now? (I hear that Indians don't want American presence in the region, though the want American investment in India itself, so it must use Afghanistan's shoulder hypocritically without confronting US openly)

Did you hear from you brother who is in ISI? or was it your cousin? Afghanistan and India are two sovereign countries, we do not let people dictate to us.

4. Why did Afghanistan generally and strongly disagree with Pres. Musharraf's proposal of fencing the Afg-Pak border to check movement of terrorists?
(They even tried to alley the fear that common/displaced people will be restricted on either side, by providing them computer biometric ID cards. But the check post guards on the Afgh side simply tore the cards when presented, calling them non sense!)

Last i check we don't recognize the Durand line so no question of fencing it. Mushraf wanted the west to pay for this project from Afghanistan reconstruction fund...another way for Pakistanis to damage and prevent rebuilding of Afghanistan. If Musrhaf and Pakistan really wanted to prevent terrorist crossing over to Afghanistan...they can easily cut these terrorist funds, and arrest their leaders who reside in Pakistani cities.

5. What about how Pashtun nationalists try to break up Pak for a greater Pashtunistan. They tried to entice Pak Pashtuns to break away from Pak, but to no avail.

Pakistan survival is more due to world politics not the ability or choice of people. As the things look today, soon inshallah Pakistan luck will end.

6. Pak gave 7 million Afghan Pashtuns shelter at the time of the Soviet war, & there are still Afghan Pashtuns in Pak today. What did Afghan Pashtuns do for Pashtuns East of the Durand Line in 1921 & 1948?

7. When India was 'neutral' defending the Afghans, it was Pak that protected Afghanistan from being slaughtered by the Soviets.

Refugees were as result of US/Paki war against Afghanistan which predate soviet invasion Afghanistan. The purpose was to give lure Soviets in Afghanistan and give them their Vietnam.

CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

The refugees legitimatize US vs Soviet war that was fought in Afghanistan. Refugees also build Pakistan...cheap labor, international aid, modernization of Pakistani military hardware, receiving foreign exchange send by relative of refugees aboard, and a market for recruit foot solider to do coward Pakistani fight against Afghanistan and India.

8.Afghanis let Najibullah (pro-Indian/Soviet) become president. Afghanistan let India support the Northern Alliance, & served as a proxy against Pak.

A typical Pakistani propaganda trying to justify their coward backstabbing of Afghanistan and their Kabul must be burn--strategic depth policy.

9. Afghanistan let India stir up proxy wars in Pak in the form of the TTP & BLA

TTP and all the Islamist are Pakistan creation in order to curb Pashton nationalism, pakistani relied heavily on the islamic factor and this was radicalized in the Soviet war...by using the Islamic groups within Pashton society they thought this would replace the traditional Pashtun society and curb nationalism, create strategic depth in Afghanistan. BLA and Baloch have full right to defend themelsves against cowardic attack of Punjabian….in fact I hope and wish afghanistan can help our Baloch brothers againt evil Punjabian.

10. They instilled a pro-Indian Pashtun (Karzai) who's the biggest drug trafficker

As a Pakistani you need to watch your mouth when talking about Afghanistan president...good or bad you have no right to call him names.

11. Is Pak responsible for different Pashtun tribes fighting each other in Afghanistan?

Not directly...indirectly it was Pakistan That prevented modernization and reform of secular afghans that resulted in continue jahal and infighting. Even Pashtons in Pakistan are deprived of education, health-care and basic human rights. many Pashtons are lead by tribal problems and can´t move forward to creat a national identity; they stick to their "XY-zai" culture. Educated Pashtons leave their "tribal identity" behind them and move towards a wrong and westernized or Desi-ized direction. Uneducated Pashtons stick to Islamic fundamentalism and get radicalised as the tribal structures across FATA, Pakhtunkhwa and Baluchistan get weakened.

[Admin Khan]

Assalam-Alaikum Manzareh, I hope you are in good health.

Ok fine, do you hide the fact that lets just say "a great deal" amount of people from afghanistan (non pashtuns) dont want it to be a sole pashtun country and this "great deal" is persians.

Of course Tajiks and Punjabis don't want to see us united. That is common sense, if 60million Pashtuns are united under a common banner, we can finally progress and be at the forefront of various industries. We are known as talented and brave people. So like I explicitly said earlier, we have to work on unity. By you posting nonsensical articles that state ''Why did Afghanistan refuse a border'' you are indirectly preaching disunity here. I hope you now understand why Pashtuns opposed it. Tajiks,Uzbeks would love a permanent border, we Pashtuns don't. Like ANP said, it divides us. Which is why Lar and Bar both opposed it. You posted the article, I simply offered my rebuttal.

you mean youl only let pro afghanistan govt staff here, funny how you wont have someone that doesnt side with afghanistan here, laugh all you want but i see past your teeth. am i the only pashtun that doesnt want to be part of afghanistan? i can assure you i am not. why then isnt there more people like me here if you havnt ousted them out.

Manzareh Jaan, I mean no offence by saying this, but if English isn't helping us communicate, I can post my next message in German, Urdu, Bengali or Pashto. The reason why I am saying this is because I have no clue in the world how you reached that ridiculous conclusion. No where in the world did I even give a slight hint of such nonsense. Tor_Khan, BLS, Roshina hail from Pashtunkhwa(Swat,Shangla,and Swat, respectively)and I don't care what their political affiliations are. That is their own opinion, based on free will. We have members from nearly 50 countries posting on PF, we have over 10 different ethnic groups posting on PF. Not everyone is pro-Afghanistan. We have pro-Pakistan members, pro-Pashtunistan, pro-India etc. And I, for one, don't care. If you want to invite 100 pro Pakistanis, be my guest. As long as they follow our rules, I don't mind. If they can debate in a professional manner, we will greet them with hospitality. Constructive dialogues is what helps us better understand one another. No where does our rules state 'You must be pro-Afghan or pro-Pakistan'. It just doesn't matter brother. Our staff is neutral, If you have a complain, they will assist you equally. We even had Jewish members who were posting daily. They were following the rules, and we permitted them. The minute they broke a rule, we warned, after they repeated the offence, they got banned. Poh swai? So please, I hope you don't reitterate that nonsense again. Oh, and just for the record, one of the reason why we have hundreds of thousands of post is because we allow opposition.

i'll be honest with you, anybody that attacks me on here verbally gets it back from me twice as hard. i dont feel that i am being verbally harassed, i feel people are trying to yes, to me its just funny and im certainly not going to lose any sleep over it. rather, what i say is attacked and the points i make, as i said before if you can prove my questions or statements false then id thank you for it, i dont see it as me losing anything, if im wrong and someone corrects me then i see it as an improvment of my knowledge whether it be some over sensative afghan or a pakistani, your self, someone from swat or whoever, to be honest with you thers plenty of sikh speaking pashtuns on the internet posing themselves as pashtuns and i know 1 personally that admited it to me once so whether people say there from here or there is irrelevant they might be anyone from anyware.

I'll pull a big fat no coment on the first few lines, since that is your personality in which I have no say. However, I am glad to know that we are learning from one another. That is the entire point of PF, so we can learn and have fruitful discussions. Thumbs up Manzareh.

firstly i didnt skim through your passage. i read it even though i didnt reply back to every single sentance. secoundly, since you said it could you find me a source where the pashtuns are the majority in afghanistan please.

I posted it on PF, you want me to find it for you? It's actually more than 1 source. It will certainly make you happy. :-)

ok if the predictions are baseless, you as being the admin here, have you ever EVER seen a post from an afghan saying anything positive about punjabies here? id like to know

I am an Afghan, I have nothing against them. Mayana is an Afghan, she has nothing against them. Tor_Khan who hails from Swat, refers to himself as an Afghan, and has nothing against them. We only have problems with those Punjabis, Tajiks who wish to see us suffer. Those Punjabis that want to see us backward. Get my drift?

if your honestly telling me the MAJORITY of afghans in this forum dont act in a racist manner against the indics of pakistan then im afraid to say you turn a blind eye and i guess your right for saying my definition for the hate of pakistanis here is baseless. your telling me the norm from this forum isnt people saying death to pakistan, a kufar nation, we will side with the mushriqs over the munafiqs etc etc etc

The majority of the members who criticize Pakistan, are from Pakistan(Pashtunkhwa). However, Afghans criticize Punjabis, the same exact way how members of Pashtunkhwa criticize Tajiks. It's a 2 way street. Don't single out one nation, be fair and considerate.

really?? so an afghan in this forum doesnt mind when a pashtun from KP says he is a pakistani?? (which is the technical truth and the passport he has)..can a KP pashtun utter the words "im a pakistani pashtun" without getting hit with lyrics and curses from every angle...i dont need a responce but just be honest.

Afghans might offer their dos pesos, but Pashtunkhwa members might be the first to criticize, which is almost always the case. In fact, I remember an Afghan once made a thread saying Afg-Pak dosti, and nearly everyone who criticized her was from Pashtunkhwa. Members like Khyaal, Pir_Rokhan, Toramana and others who criticize Pakistan are from Pashtunkhwa.

i never said all afghans speak dari, i made it a point that it is widely excepted in a "pashtun country" i dont need a lesson in history bro i know the history of afghanistan and where the words came from, however it doesnt change the fact that afghanistan isnt a truely pashtun country if it was there wudnt be such a MASSIVE percentage of different races despite what you call the country or what you give it, to the world it is not known as a pashtun country its known as a mixed one. then again this is my opinion and you are entitled to yours. NO the 30 million pashtuns in pakistan are not listed as afghans they are listed as pakistanis.

No where did I claim Afghanistan is a solely Pashtun country. For the sake of Allah, read my previous post. I clearly said the word Afghan is used interchangeably for Pashtun to which you responded with 'fair enough'. Whether you like it or not, Afghan is a historical name for all Pashtuns. You can be in denial, that is fine. You can say they are not Afghans, that is your opinion, but history tells us what the truth is.

Listen boss, its not my pakistan, but dont you see what your saying your speaking in the past my friend forget names "it was going to be called this and this is were the letter A comes from" i agree with you they are considered ethnic afghans BUT for the millionth time they are not in Afghanistan are they!? i can work for Microsoft and then move to Macintosh and then say to people in Macintosh that im a Microsoft worker it wont make a difference as the bottom line is im a Macintosh worker..i can easily say to hel with Macintosh but then id be jobless and be a bum. i agree im an Afghan because of the root of the word but im not an afghani and neither is anyone in KP until it joins with afghanistan then it will be a whole new story..comprende?

You didn't get my point. I never said they are Afghan citizens, I said historically speaking, they are ethnically Afghans. No need for these weird analogies.

If afghanistan is currupt and so is pakistan then we are doomed to belong to pakistan or afghanistan right? so why all the afghan patriotism from a blatent curupt country?? the only solution is Pakhtunistan.

Cheers any merry Christmas.

Where in my responses did you see my praise the Afghan government? I obviously know they are corrupt. Manzareh, if you are up to date with your knowledge, you should know that most of the southern Afghanistan wants an independent Pashtunistan. Read BarakzaiAbdalis post.

[Dervaish]

Why do Afghani Pashtuns hate Pakistan?

Those who hate others, hate themselves first. That is the problem with Afghani Pashtuns.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Why do Afghani Pashtuns hate Pakistan?

Those who hate others, hate themselves first. That is the problem with Afghani Pashtuns.

Ironic considering the two-nation theory.

[Dervaish]

Ironic considering the two-nation theory.

If you can not love some one, at least don't hate even if that individual or nation is your enemy. Allah is all Love, Devil is all hate. It is my opinion. You pick your choice.

[Manzareh]

Afghanistan as country was established by blood of her own people, while pakistan was created due to Pakistani elites servitude Colonial Britain, with their reward having been the wholesale theft of other people’s lands. Pakistan is not a nation but a army garrison. In fact Pakistan has no identity for even Islam is not unique to Pakistan as Judaism is to Israel.



You can't have it both ways, either your Afghan(Pashton) that values Pashton national interest or your a Pakistani...you clearly show your the later..thus as a Paki you should not worry about us Afghans. For us Afghans know friend from foe.




On contraire, the gun and drug culture is "rewards" that Pakistan give to these refugees…not to forget the extremism culture. where these refugees were brainwashed in Pakistani government run Madrassah into Taliban. According to national security advisor Brzezinski, the CIA's intervention in Afghanistan throw their proxies Pakistan precedes the 1979 Soviet invasion…thus arming of Afghan refugees started by Pakistan not the other way around as you absurdly claim afghan refugees bringing arm to Pakistan. The Drug, gun culture and extremism was unheard to Afghanistan in 70s, most of which Afghan refugees learn while residing in Pakistan. It was Pakistan that shameful exploited deprived and brutalized Afghan youths nurtured in their refugee ghettos and indoctrinated in their immoral “madrassahs” so to wage their precious army’s wars against India and Afghanistan. Seriously how Pakistanis can pretend velour in place of what is otherwise a stupendous display of national cowardice is a charm only Pakistanis can lay claim to.



Poor try to channel the righteous hatred of Pakistan toward US, India, Persians...forget about genocide of Gujrat home town of your founding father Ali Jenah...think about genocide of Pashtons in Wazeristan, Swat, and indirectly genocide of pashtons by strategic depth and Kabul must burn policies.



Pakistan as country is successor of Kafir British raj for Muslim Afghanistan...in fact if you read Ali Jenah speech in 1947 about FATA and Pashtonsitan...he emphasis that British forward policy towards Afghanistan must continue… to continue keeping people of FATA backward and in check with the filth of Dewbani and inhuman British raj policy of collective punishment and political agent. Afghanistan after two years realize the danger of Pakistan and in 1949 held a loy-jerga nullifying all the pervious treaty and formally voted against Pakistan membership to UN.
Even to this day Pakistani establishment is the same mercenaries of the British Raj engaged in violence and betrayal against their own!




Pakistani propaganda ..biggest blender of Zahirshah during indo-paki war was to fulfils his promise to Pakistani ruler not to attack them from back.





Did you hear from you brother who is in ISI? or was it your cousin? Afghanistan and India are two sovereign countries, we do not let people dictate to us.






Last i check we don't recognize the Durand line so no question of fencing it. Mushraf wanted the west to pay for this project from Afghanistan reconstruction fund...another way for Pakistanis to damage and prevent rebuilding of Afghanistan. If Musrhaf and Pakistan really wanted to prevent terrorist crossing over to Afghanistan...they can easily cut these terrorist funds, and arrest their leaders who reside in Pakistani cities.



Pakistan survival is more due to world politics not the ability or choice of people. As the things look today, soon inshallah Pakistan luck will end.




Refugees were as result of US/Paki war against Afghanistan which predate soviet invasion Afghanistan. The purpose was to give lure Soviets in Afghanistan and give them their Vietnam.

CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

The refugees legitimatize US vs Soviet war that was fought in Afghanistan. Refugees also build Pakistan...cheap labor, international aid, modernization of Pakistani military hardware, receiving foreign exchange send by relative of refugees aboard, and a market for recruit foot solider to do coward Pakistani fight against Afghanistan and India.





A typical Pakistani propaganda trying to justify their coward backstabbing of Afghanistan and their Kabul must be burn--strategic depth policy.


TTP and all the Islamist are Pakistan creation in order to curb Pashton nationalism, pakistani relied heavily on the islamic factor and this was radicalized in the Soviet war...by using the Islamic groups within Pashton society they thought this would replace the traditional Pashtun society and curb nationalism, create strategic depth in Afghanistan. BLA and Baloch have full right to defend themelsves against cowardic attack of Punjabian….in fact I hope and wish afghanistan can help our Baloch brothers againt evil Punjabian.


As a Pakistani you need to watch your mouth when talking about Afghanistan president...good or bad you have no right to call him names.




Not directly...indirectly it was Pakistan That prevented modernization and reform of secular afghans that resulted in continue jahal and infighting. Even Pashtons in Pakistan are deprived of education, health-care and basic human rights. many Pashtons are lead by tribal problems and can´t move forward to creat a national identity; they stick to their "XY-zai" culture. Educated Pashtons leave their "tribal identity" behind them and move towards a wrong and westernized or Desi-ized direction. Uneducated Pashtons stick to Islamic fundamentalism and get radicalised as the tribal structures across FATA, Pakhtunkhwa and Baluchistan get weakened.

I was going to thank you for your views and your own clarification and knowledge of the questions or atleast giving a structured approach to answering the questions (apart from the ones you cudnt justify you pulled a fast one and just said its propaganda) i actually was beggining to respect you, UNTIL i read some indirect digs and racism and telling me to watch my mouth. you think your superior than pakistanis? i hate people that speak with such arrogance..typical

who the heck you think your threatening you clown?? karzai is a criminal, he should be hanged..yeah thats right the afghanistan president should be strung up from his balls and wipped, WHAT!? you going to do about it tough guy??? keep your keyboard warrior skills to yourself.

so im not going to thank you, infact i will tell you to shove your information where the sun doesnt shine.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

If you can not love some one, at least don't hate even if that individual or nation is your enemy. Allah is all Love, Devil is all hate. It is my opinion. You pick your choice.

These are ambigious moral statements....obviously devil is bad Allah is great. Come on, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. This, though, is a wonderful way to divert people and nations from the problems at hand.

[PakhtunWarrior]

karzai is a criminal, he should be hanged..

Wrora, i know this was not aimed at me but.. I am an Afghan and I agree with this. He is America's dog and does exactly what they tell him to do. He is helping the Kaffirs take over his own Muslim soil.

[Manzareh]

I feel that Manzareh has touched upon a point many other Pakhtuns from the Lar side have, which is this revulsion towards the hypocricy of "Afghan" Pashtuns.

Afghanistan is a multi ethnic state, and so is Pakistan. Afghan no longer means Pakhtun exclusively. We cant expect these Lar Pakhtuns to abandon their livelihoods and identities and progress and side with another multi ethnic state not even a quarter as prosperous

Loy Afghanistan is a hypocritical stance that deserves to be left behind in the dustbin of history

Afghanistan as a state has been just as big, if not the biggest impediment to Pakhtun unity, so we cant single out the Pakistanis.

If we accept this premise, you will find more willingness and greater embrace from Lar Pakhtuns, but not by degenerating the little identity they have left

And if we accept this premise, we must accept that social and cultural unification is a priority over political, and that we must accept the status quo as it is, until we develop and build Bar Pakhtunkhwa.

Once thats done, the Lar Pakhtuns will turn to us with greater ease in economic and educational cooperation.

You cant scream Lar aw Bar Yaw Afghan when we dont have a rail link between Quetta and Kandahar

its my honest belief that Pakistan is a failed state, and ultimate reunification of ethnicities and redrawing of borders is an inevitable outcome. prepare for it now.

At the end of the day, iv come here to learn, whether my views are totally proven false or right it makes no difference, i have my opinons and would actually appreciate someone trying to change them..this would lead me and all of us to the truth about not just this topic but everything else. however it seems this is impossible here.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

It is impossible, because you:
a) misunderstand everything (to the point that you undermine your own arguments).
b) you are not willing to listen.
c) you come in with very faulty assumptions and then assume that we should all use them as a basis of some "discussion".
d) It would help if you made an attempt to read your own history and educated yourself. No one here is a scholar, we are all learning, but we do ourselves the favour of reading a little bit.

No one is really interested in converting anyone here, people have their opinions (some with weight others not really). Tragically, like I told you before, you know more about other nation's affairs than your own.