Afghanistan vs Iraq.

[tor_khan]

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[MazloomYarMasud]

If these Pro Arab Imperialists accepted the Support and Weapons from America back in the 70's then why cant we do the same to boot out all the Arab fanatics out of our hewad and region? Why dont Arab Jihadis fight in their own countries of origin, why do they travel in influx to our regions exploiting the bad law and order to write out their imginary beduion rules of engagement where mostly civilians are killed.

Our whole region is chained by these Arabs and their Radicalist Supporters in the West.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Because;

1.) Arab Imperialism is merely the fantasy byproduct of "moronism", European Imperialist Brainwashedism, Uneducatedism, Ignoranceism, White European Racism and Inferiority Complexism. And any sort of terms anyone desperate to fabricate an argument needs to invent by tossing an "ism" at the end of something.


2.) Everyone knows that "Al-Qaeda" is a CIA invention used to create turmoil and distort the teachings of Islam with extremism and this "Arab this and that" stuff is a scapegoat to justify Capitalist (White European) Imperialism which has been done for the last 500 years. We see this displayed by this forums's Inferiority Complex driven apologist contingency who are desperate to copy their Imperial Master's agenda by cheering on their occupation, using flashy over hyped words like "modernization" as a disguise for it, using the doctrine that supporting European Imperialism is necessary to repel Arabs as an excuse, and stirring ethnic animosity to maintain destabilization/divide and rule policy.

3.) Arabs never used Depleted Uranium weapons in Afghanistan which aims at permanently disfiguring Afghan infants and crippling the gene pool of Afghans with highly Toxic Radioactive Materials as was done by the Capitalist Industrial Imperialist Hegemonic Invasion which crony Apologists who use Arabs as scapegoats, glorify and cheer on.

4. ) Arabs never caused the death of 1.5 Million Afghan citizens. Or poisoned Afghan drinking water or destroy important irrigation systems for crops.

5.) Arabs did not have numerous military bases all over Afghanistan to impose their presence, they were never given any Juridical Authority on Afghan citizens with impunity, or collected Afghan body parts as trophies, or went on "Thrill Kill" Sprees, tossed grenades in homes filled with pregnant women for "fun". Or meddle with the day to day lives of Afghan citizens, or Tried controlling the internal politics of Afghanistan by installing a puppet state. They're also comparatively very small in number compared to the nearly 200,000 Imperialist Troops having free reign in Afghanistan.

6.) Arabs do fight in their own countries of origin. as demonstrated in Iraq, Yemen, Saudi Arabia , Jordan, Palestine.

7.) Bedouin is just the Arab word for Kuchi/Powanda, and Pashtoons are hereditarily Powanda, so many identify strongly with their customs and values being strongly identical to their own, as well as sharing the fundamental religious beliefs ingrained in their culture with at least the Muslim Arabs (Christian and Druze Arabs maybe not). Which they don't share at all with Europeans that Inferiority Complex driven philosophies such as Hindus and Sikhs from India have surrendered to and want so badly to be accepted by.

[awreedunkey]

[QUOTE=ScimitarXEdge;294865]Because;


2.) Everyone knows that "Al-Qaeda" is a CIA invention used to create turmoil and distort the teachings of Islam with extremism and this "Arab this and that" stuff is a scapegoat to justify Capitalist (White European) Imperialism which has been done for the last 500 years.

Here is where you always fail in your arguments. "Everyone knows" Please. As educated as you try to sound and you use phrases like that? If everyone knew then what the problem is? Are you from the states or just visiting? I'd hate to think that you are indulging yourself in the land of the infidel while diatribing it's faults.

[Alchemist]

[QUOTE=awreedunkey;294984]

Because;


2.) Everyone knows that "Al-Qaeda" is a CIA invention used to create turmoil and distort the teachings of Islam with extremism and this "Arab this and that" stuff is a scapegoat to justify Capitalist (White European) Imperialism which has been done for the last 500 years.

Here is where you always fail in your arguments. "Everyone knows" Please. As educated as you try to sound and you use phrases like that? If everyone knew then what the problem is? Are you from the states or just visiting? I'd hate to think that you are indulging yourself in the land of the infidel while diatribing it's faults.

This is such a cliched response. As if to say that if you are in the states you are not allowed to criticize it because then you would be "ungrateful" to your host. Really? that is immoral? LOL
So I suppose you live in absolute servitude of the states and take everything it says verbatim without questioning it because you are too afraid you'll be scorned for not conforming to the state's manufactured consent? ..."dunkey"..lol

[awreedunkey]

Whatever floats your boat. Don't bite too hard, the hand that feeds you my friend. It may cause you to lose some sleep. Oh, and be careful...the CIA is probably going to mess with your life too. I hear they created the boogie man.

[awreedunkey]

And, Alchemist, you are lucky to be living in a land where you can indeed criticize. Nobody has issue with that. The issue is when someone says something as ignorant as "everybody knows" the CIA created Al Queda. Come on, would you let a comment like that slide? Really? I also heard Pres Bush planted C4 in the Trade Centers. You believe that one too. Right? That is my issue, crazy talk, not real criticism.

[Admin Khan]

Whatever floats your boat. Don't bite too hard, the hand that feeds you my friend. It may cause you to lose some sleep. Oh, and be careful...the CIA is probably going to mess with your life too. I hear they created the boogie man.

Saying the CIA is responsible for everything is indeed a silly generalization, but would you at least agree that the US government once supported the very same Mujahedeen it has now lashed a war against? It's the same Pashtuns my brother, whatever name you give them, these Pashtuns are responsible for making the USSR collapse, which in result gave the US a very comfortable seat in world politics[as far as exerting influence is concerned].

[ScimitarXEdge]

Admin Khan, it's a factual event that the CIA helped in organizing and training Al-Qaeda though. This is even verified by the CIA Chief in the 80's; Robert Gates, he acknowledges that CIA were heavily involved in arming, training and cultivating Bin Laden's group. This group became Al-Qaeda.

[awreedunkey]

No doubt brother. It is and was a messy business with plenty of dirt on the hands of the US and the CIA. The Cold War created a different world in which the US did plenty of sinister deeds. But, taken in context, they aren't some sort of crazy conspiracy. The US supported the likes of the Mujahedden, the Shah of Iran, South Vietnam's President Diem, etc. etc. All to fight the scourge of communism. Communism or the Big Red Bear, of course being the context. More recently, the US supported Saddam Hussein. Seems crazy, unless taken in context. They supported Saddam because he was fighting against Iran who recently radicalized and took American hostages. So, past incidents of seemingly crazy policy, did have their contextual reasons, even though in hindsight, the ended up being ill advised for sure.

But, bringing up "real" events such as these and pointing to them as American folly is totally on par and definately fair play. Actually understanding mistakes of the past are essential so that the US does not (hopefully) repeat them.

However, I believe it is the duty of any free thinking person, wherever their loyalties lie, to stand up and highlight egregious comments made by somebody hiding behind a computer screen.

[awreedunkey]

Scimitar- now that is logical and a fair comment. But that's not the same comment you made earlier, "Everyone knows that "Al-Qaeda" is a CIA invention used to create turmoil and distort the teachings of Islam with extremism. That's what I mean by crazy statements. You took a truth (in that the CIA did fund the Mujahedeen) and turned it into statement that the CIA created the extremism in Al Quaeda. Thats where I called foul.

[ScimitarXEdge]

No doubt brother. It is and was a messy business with plenty of dirt on the hands of the US and the CIA. The Cold War created a different world in which the US did plenty of sinister deeds. But, taken in context, they aren't some sort of crazy conspiracy. The US supported the likes of the Mujahedden, the Shah of Iran, South Vietnam's President Diem, etc. etc. All to fight the scourge of communism. Communism or the Big Red Bear, of course being the context. More recently, the US supported Saddam Hussein. Seems crazy, unless taken in context. They supported Saddam because he was fighting against Iran who recently radicalized and took American hostages. So, past incidents of seemingly crazy policy, did have their contextual reasons, even though in hindsight, the ended up being ill advised for sure.

But, bringing up "real" events such as these and pointing to them as American folly is totally on par and definately fair play. Actually understanding mistakes of the past are essential so that the US does not (hopefully) repeat them.

However, I believe it is the duty of any free thinking person, wherever their loyalties lie, to stand up and highlight egregious comments made by somebody hiding behind a computer screen.

Except you just verified my allegedly egregious comments are factual; The conflict with the American Geopolitical Scheme isn't because Communism was seen as necessarily detrimental in itself; but that it was the Great Game for influence and exploitation of world markets/resources. This isn't even conspiratorial this is the nature of Capitalism.

There's nothing free thinking about shouting "Conspiracy Theory" in a crowded Cinema; especially when you admit conspiracies do happen; which is evident even by the examples you display. Whether they were American Mistakes or not, they're "mistakes" which were done with intentional disregard of consequence to whom they exploited. Hence Kurds were gassed by Saddam, Afghans ended up in Civil War, and Extremists like Al-Qaeda began operating.

It also should be noted that you only sought to criticize my allusions to Europeans and Americans; and not even more absurd and frankly baseless theories regarding different ethnicities of the Middle East and Asia.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Scimitar- now that is logical and a fair comment. But that's not the same comment you made earlier, "Everyone knows that "Al-Qaeda" is a CIA invention used to create turmoil and distort the teachings of Islam with extremism. That's what I mean by crazy statements. You took a truth (in that the CIA did fund the Mujahedeen) and turned it into statement that the CIA created the extremism in Al Quaeda. Thats where I called foul.

Well you organize, train , give directives and nurture something, that is "creating" it; your contention here seems to be more rhetorical than anything. A Game of semantics.

Because saying CIA only "funded" makes it seem they were conned into buying cookies from al-Qaeda Charity Bake Sale and had no idea what their real agenda was. Which is certainly not the case.

[awreedunkey]

It's not conspiracy. America, just like any other country is looking out for her own interests. They don't try to hide the fact, go to their government websites and their mission statements state that they are there for American interests. It just so happens that they are the biggest boy on the block, so their dealings are of course felt worldwide and are more influential. Is this some sort of secret you think you are uncovering?

[ScimitarXEdge]

and again A Rose by Any other name is still a rose, or in this case a snake by any other name that's called a "conspiracy"

when you do corrupt things "in secret" for a certain agenda. This is conspiracy.