Helping hamsayas to return to their ethno-cultural-linguistic roots

[tilla_jogian]

Its the caste system. The upper caste think they have a RIGHT(HAQ) to rape people from the lower caste and the lower caste believe that they should not resist or they would be born again in a lower caste.

It is this mentality reinforced to them over generations that has made them submissive to all invaders.

This is not pashtun belt or afghanistan where one ethnic group think raping other ethnic is his right. Your post about castes born again lower or higher clearly point towards your retardness.

You was invaded by all the invaders known to men, these also made it to rest of areas. Hell you are not even pure pathan but pashtunized one, how did that happen dear kushal? Submessive talk coming from you?

[khushal]

This is not pashtun belt or afghanistan where one ethnic group think raping other ethnic is his right. Your post about castes born again lower or higher clearly point towards your retardness.

You was invaded by all the invaders known to men, these also made it to rest of areas. Hell you are not even pure pathan but pashtunized one, how did that happen dear kushal? Submessive talk coming from you?

Rape is not pashtun culture, it is panjab and indic culture. I can provide you evidence of it if you wish.

But back to my point: That's how the elites in your society tricked the people. The lower castes are made to believe that if they obey and serve the higher castes including accVarhade says that “(i)t is the only dehumanizing system in the world nearly 3000 years old, benefitting so called upper caste Hindus in the caste pyramid with cheap child labour, agricultural labour, child prostitution and trafficking of girls and women that” allows this high echelon to “make money on [the] blood sweat and tears” of poorer people.



Read more at http://www.commdiginews.com/politics...geDMd.99epting rape and other abuse, that they themselves would be reborn(reincarnate) into a higher caste.

Varhade says that “(i)t is the only dehumanizing system in the world nearly 3000 years old, benefitting so called upper caste Hindus in the caste pyramid with cheap child labour, agricultural labour, child prostitution and trafficking of girls and women that” allows this high echelon to “make money on [the] blood sweat and tears” of poorer people.

“The will of the government to implement the protective laws,” Varhade continues, “has been missing since India’s independence in the last 60 plus years even though Dr. Ambedkar, the Chief Architect of Indian Constitution made it a criminal offence.

“No where exists in the world such cunning, cruel, degrading, anti-democratic system. It was invented, practiced and maintained in the name of Hindu religion, [supposedly] divinely created, to rule one class over other. It punishes millions of low caste helpless children, creating poverty and perpetuating it, using them as slave labour and total destruction of human personality”.

[tilla_jogian]

Gang rape in afghan refugee camps

''The Women's Alliance for Peace and Human Rights in Afghanistan, a Washington-based organization, was in Peshawar last January, and spent time in Nasir Bagh. They heard horror stories from women there of groups of men prowling the camp at night, gang-raping women. Young girls and boys are being forced into and sold into prostitution, and there is speculation that the Pakistani police have a hand in this. Violence against women is virulent, its victims having no recourse in law nor any means of escape.''

http://peacemagazine.org/archive/v14n3p24.htm

Have you guys heard about afghani women stories of having to sell their body to doctors just for medicine? What kind of sick people live in Afghanistan? As if we don't know what actually happen in your society before you guys throw dirt on others.

[khushal]

Gandon posts clearly point toward particular thinking and culture. Taliban when came to power used to force themselves on women. They believe its their right and not considered rape. Afghani refugees in Europe have become famous for gang rapes, again culture is given as excuse.

Children rapes are done openly in pashtun belt. Are these not considered rapes? Don't you guys have 1 kid to go along with to show mardangi?

As far as villages goes, rape rarely happen if ever. I only hear about murders but never rape. Village are small and different ball game compared to cities. You don't know jack **** about punjab villages, stick with your own unknown village. Lol

Rulers never protect anyone, especially in ancient times. Most things you say about pashtun do that and this are just normal tribal primitive rural society rules. Nothing really strange in them or unheard of even in Tamilnadu.

you have to provide sources for these claims otherwise your talking out of your arse which means you have shyt for brains.

So sources please:

[tilla_jogian]

you have to provide sources for these claims otherwise your talking out of your arse which means you have shyt for brains.

So sources please:

I provided 4-5 links for afghani refugees raping in europe some pages back. There is video documentary of Afghan women stories when Taliban ruled, youtube it.

Afghanistan’s Rape Crisis: Villagers Fear U.S.-Backed Militias

Afghans fear the very militias America has set up to protect them—and allegations of sexual violence abound. Sami Yousafzai and Ron Moreau report.
Jumadin, a 45-year-old farmer from the northern Afghan province of Kunduz, returned to his modest mud-brick home late one evening last January to find the front door shattered. He rushed inside, calling and searching for his 19-year-old daughter, Monizha, who had been home alone while Jumadin’s wife and three other children visited relatives in Pakistan. He was panic-stricken. The small house had been ransacked, and Monizha was nowhere inside. He finally found her just in time: she was outside in the animal shed, trying to hang herself.

Thin, grey-bearded and missing most of his front teeth, Jumadin says he wrapped his traumatized daughter in a blanket and cuddled her. “She was in shock. Her eyes were closed, and she would not open them to look at me,” he tells Newsweek /The Daily Beast. He finally coaxed from her the sordid details of the ordeal she’d just suffered. She had been raped repeatedly by three local Afghan militiamen wearing the khaki-colored uniforms of the American-trained and -supported Afghan Local Police (ALP). “I hugged her, and we both cried for hours,” he recalls. “I told her it was written in our destiny, so let’s try to cope with this dishonor.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-militias.html

Afghan and rape go hand in hand. [MENTION=1234]Smarty[/MENTION] explain why this villager was raped? Where is your village protection force now? Before it was taliban now USA backed militias.

He continues, “In our cruel society, if a girl is raped by strong forces there is nothing left for the girl and the family … We can cope with being poor, with earthquakes and disease—but not with rape that steals a family’s honor. We are ruined.”

How many of these stories never come out? So just they can save their honour, remind me off hindi movies concept of women honour. Hindus!

Female Afghan cops say they are raped, molested by fellow officers

On the other side of Kabul, detective Lailoma, who also asked that her family name not be used, said several policewomen under her command had been raped by their male colleagues.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ellow-officers

I can go on and on, there are thousands of such article on google.

[Toramana]

I provided 4-5 links for afghani refugees raping in europe some pages back. There is video documentary of Afghan women stories when Taliban ruled, youtube it.

Afghanistan’s Rape Crisis: Villagers Fear U.S.-Backed Militias

Afghans fear the very militias America has set up to protect them—and allegations of sexual violence abound. Sami Yousafzai and Ron Moreau report.
Jumadin, a 45-year-old farmer from the northern Afghan province of Kunduz, returned to his modest mud-brick home late one evening last January to find the front door shattered. He rushed inside, calling and searching for his 19-year-old daughter, Monizha, who had been home alone while Jumadin’s wife and three other children visited relatives in Pakistan. He was panic-stricken. The small house had been ransacked, and Monizha was nowhere inside. He finally found her just in time: she was outside in the animal shed, trying to hang herself.

Thin, grey-bearded and missing most of his front teeth, Jumadin says he wrapped his traumatized daughter in a blanket and cuddled her. “She was in shock. Her eyes were closed, and she would not open them to look at me,” he tells Newsweek /The Daily Beast. He finally coaxed from her the sordid details of the ordeal she’d just suffered. She had been raped repeatedly by three local Afghan militiamen wearing the khaki-colored uniforms of the American-trained and -supported Afghan Local Police (ALP). “I hugged her, and we both cried for hours,” he recalls. “I told her it was written in our destiny, so let’s try to cope with this dishonor.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-militias.html

Afghan and rape go hand in hand. [MENTION=1234]Smarty[/MENTION] explain why this villager was raped? Where is your village protection force now? Before it was taliban now USA backed militias.

He continues, “In our cruel society, if a girl is raped by strong forces there is nothing left for the girl and the family … We can cope with being poor, with earthquakes and disease—but not with rape that steals a family’s honor. We are ruined.”

How many of these stories never come out? So just they can save their honour, remind me off hindi movies concept of women honour. Hindus!

Female Afghan cops say they are raped, molested by fellow officers

On the other side of Kabul, detective Lailoma, who also asked that her family name not be used, said several policewomen under her command had been raped by their male colleagues.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ellow-officers

I can go on and on, there are thousands of such article on google.

Mr. Jogian, Jozjan is not a Pashtun area. You should understand that we are here talking about Pashtun society. The main argument here is, in Pashtun areas there are strict traditions and an acute sense of shame and honour (no matter how misplaced) that limit the widespread occurrence of rapes. We don't claim that these cases don't happen. These do happen but rare in number relative to Punjab.

Furthermore, you should understand that Afghanistan has gone through a long phase of instability and you know that very bad and undesirable things happen during war and collapse of law and order. Imagine if such long instability had happened Punjab what would have been the extent of the crime.

Instead of egoistically arguing here as you are doing here we should try to improve the situation in our respective areas.

[tilla_jogian]

Mr. Jogian, Jozjan is not a Pashtun area. You should understand that we are here talking about Pashtun society. The main argument here is, in Pashtun areas there are strict traditions and an acute sense of shame and honour (no matter how misplaced) that limit the widespread occurrence of rapes. We don't claim that these cases don't happen. These do happen but rare in number relative to Punjab.

Furthermore, you should understand that Afghanistan has gone through a long phase of instability and you know that very bad and undesirable things happen during war and collapse of law and order. Imagine if such long instability had happened what would have been the extent of the crime.

Instead of egoistically arguing here as you are doing here we should try to improve the situation in our respective areas.

Mr who the **** cares which area belong to which one? Sab ghandi nali ke kirey hai. It happens more there then anywhere in punjab. Its cultural thing. I am not even talking about afghani bacha bazi rape epidemic which is world wide famous phenomena.

All rapes and other sins are buried under cultural excuse. Sharam karo beghairto.

[Toramana]

Mr who the **** cares which area belong to which one? Sab ghandi nali ke kirey hai. It happens more there then anywhere in punjab. Its cultural thing. I am not even talking about afghani bacha bazi rape epidemic which is world wide famous phenomena.

All rapes and other sins are buried under cultural excuse. Sharam karo beghairto.

Mr. Jogian had we wanted we would have posted information here of individual cases. But we didn't build our argument on flimsy grounds. We gave you hard evidence from authentic sources rather. Instead of accepting the existence of such upheaval, you are making it a matter of your ethnic ego.

That is unfortunate.

We accept that crimes such as murder have higher frequency in Pashtun areas and we must be concerned about it but rapes/gang-rapes specifically seem a Punjab phenomenon.

I hope you understand that point.

[tilla_jogian]

Mr. Jogian had we wanted we would have posted information here of individual cases. But we didn't build our argument on flimsy grounds. We gave you hard evidence from authentic sources rather. Instead of accepting the existence of such upheaval, you are making it a matter of your ethnic ego.

That is unfortunate.

We accept that crimes such as murder have higher frequency in Pashtun areas and we must be concerned about it but rapes/gang-rapes specifically seem a Punjab phenomenon.

I hope you understand that point.

Mr you don't need to show any concern what happen in pashtun areas. You are one of us remember? You are indic, hindu or what ever they call you. I am also giving hard evidence but its getting ignored in the name of culture. What one can do? This PF was created for feel good factor, such is state of Afghanistan.

Reality check is ignored because they live in reality, they don't need anyone reminding them what they are. So they come here to feel good about themselves by insulting other cultures.

You also have hindu king as your username. Its good to know you have not forgotten your roots.

[Kushan Prince]

Mr you don't need to show any concern what happen in pashtun areas. You are one of us remember? You are indic, hindu or what ever they call you. I am also giving hard evidence but its getting ignored in the name of culture. What one can do? This PF was created for feel good factor, such is state of Afghanistan.

Reality check is ignored because they live in reality, they don't need anyone reminding them what they are. So they come here to feel good about themselves by insulting other cultures.

You also have hindu king as your username. Its good to know you have not forgotten your roots.

Tilla the hack,

Your like a broken record on repeat trying hard to pin-point rape culture on afghans when everyone knows its associated with lefty south asians. Why not accept that rape was and is still common among poor punjabis in rural punjab? Since your a village folk yourself i am sure you are aware about how much this kind of stuff happens. Do i need to bombard you with articles about rape among Pakis themselves?

Read this thread, it might wake you up a bit. It seems Paki nationals are raping poor helpless fiilpina women in Dubai. But you will probably deny this too right?

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=45497

And Toramana was Hepthalite, not a hindu.

[tilla_jogian]

Tilla the hack,

Your like a broken record on repeat trying hard to pin-point rape culture on afghans when everyone knows its associated with lefty south asians. Why not accept that rape was and is still common among poor punjabis in rural punjab? Since your a village folk yourself i am sure you are aware about how much this kind of stuff happens. Do i need to bombard you with articles about rape among Pakis themselves?

Read this thread, it might wake you up a bit. It seems Paki nationals are raping poor helpless fiilpina women in Dubai. But you will probably deny this too right?

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=45497

And Toramana was Hepthalite, not a hindu.

Toranama was hindu, wtf is Hepthalite? Was he muslim?

Bury your head in sand, but it will not stop rapes of afghani women. It will not stop rapes of little kids. If I am broken record then what are you guys? You only talk about heera mandi, as if some of your family members ended up there. Possibly sold by afghani dallas. This practice is very common among afghanis.

You guys talk about culture, ghairat and then I see real afghanis and everything fall flat on face. One wonder wtf are you guys talking about? walk the talk.

[tilla_jogian]

Another ghairat afghanis display and are famous for in punjab especially when it comes to selling daughters to complete strangers in exchange of money. People who find rishtas say your son is disabled? No problem even in worst case scenario we have afghanis to fall back on.

Very honourable culture, giving daughters to settle dispute and even for money. Mashallah hopefully this display of ghairat continue.

Young Afghan Girls For Sale
For 100kg Of Wheat
By Naveed Ahmad
2-9-2
http://www.rense.com/general19/youngafghanAl.htm .

[khushal]

Gang rape in afghan refugee camps

''The Women's Alliance for Peace and Human Rights in Afghanistan, a Washington-based organization, was in Peshawar last January, and spent time in Nasir Bagh. They heard horror stories from women there of groups of men prowling the camp at night, gang-raping women. Young girls and boys are being forced into and sold into prostitution, and there is speculation that the Pakistani police have a hand in this. Violence against women is virulent, its victims having no recourse in law nor any means of escape.''

http://peacemagazine.org/archive/v14n3p24.htm

Have you guys heard about afghani women stories of having to sell their body to doctors just for medicine? What kind of sick people live in Afghanistan? As if we don't know what actually happen in your society before you guys throw dirt on others.

This is just evidence for what we are saying:
All that says is that the pakistani police are committing horrible crimes.

[tilla_jogian]

Though selling daughters for marriage is less begharti then one more thing they do and are famous for in punjab. One wonders is there more begharti then even selling daughters? Yes there is, when it comes to selling them to dallas and they end up being prostituites.

''Children as young as 5 are auctioned off regularly in a warehouse here in Pakistan's lawless border regions. Most of them are impoverished Afghan refugees bound for lives of servitude or prostitution. Top Stories''

Buyers puff on hookahs as the girls, escorted by an elderly woman, walk to a dais in the center of the room dressed only in thin cotton smocks. Before purchase, a buyer has the right to remove the tunic and inspect the girl in front of the crowd.

Dozens of locals say Afghan girls between the ages of 5 and 17 sell for $80 to $100. The price depends on the colors of their eyes and skin; if they are virgins, the price is higher.''

Usma, an Afghan prostitute, said she was 12 when her family sold her to a man. "We were crossing the border [into Pakistan] and had no money to eat. The man gave them $80, so my mother told me to go with Akbar.

"After Akbar found other girls at the border, he put all 17 of us in a truck and took us to Jamrud. I stood on the dais and men offered Arbab dowries for me.

http://www.rawa.org/child-sold.htm

Such a great culture where people bid on little girls.

[tilla_jogian]

This is just evidence for what we are saying:
All that says is that the pakistani police are committing horrible crimes.

They blame police for not stopping them, not for comitting crimes. I though you guys had your own force to protect women lol Who need police anyway.