Why do Pashtuns give their daughters to non-pashtuns?

[rednwhite99]

paki is preaching Islam and flirting during ramadan. No wonder Pakistan is in such a big mess.

khurasani oh why did u come out of ur dream wannabe iranian world...stay in khorasan,,never come in the real world

[HalloIsBack]

guys stop fighting and just speak about my beauty!

[M17ArnoBaloch]

guys stop fighting and just speak about my beauty!

LOL Shadaaap!

[Pukhtoon]

Thank you. great post.

Ofcourse there are baloch who mix with panjabis, pashtuns, farsi, other etc. but the ratio as i've told is very small. It also has to do with their population and strong cultural traditions. Same goes with pashtuns but it's kind of different for them. Especially the paki pashtuns, they seem to be fine with marrying panjabi, etc. And it also has to do with Pashtun population as i've told earlier. Population plays an important role in mixing. There are more pashtuns in pakistan then in afghanistan. If your population is big then mixing won't really result in anything. But if your population is small then prepare to get vanished. As true "baloch" in my case will vanish. So regarding the population, if it's small, the community will most likely won't mix because it is important to keep the traditions/culture small or it will simply lead to extinction. True baloch will extinct so that is the sole reason the rare ratio of Baloch mixing.

You can see the difference between a pure pashtun and a half pashtun. The looks are somwhat distinguishable. I believe in non-mixing as it will keep the culture strong and sturdy. I've seen pashtuns that hold no difference to Urdu speakers or Panjabis and exactly look the same. I think it's a product of mixing with either a panjabi or urdu speaker. Not that i am against it, but it will be alot better to be able to tell whos a pashtun and not so we may be less racist.





Great post overall.

It's good to meet pashtuns like you.

Thank you.

Your welcome, just to your points though the mixing is as pervasive in both communities. A good point of reverence is the Brahui Baloch who are completely absored into Baloch society and they are not an insignificant part of the community. As to their roots, there completely foreign and there is no need to elaborate as I'm sure your aware of this already. It's an inaccurate statement to say the Pashtoon's are anymore obliged to marrying to non-Pashtoons if anything, I think they are one of the most stringent in that respect. However, as mentioned earlier, for some, who become so immersed in another culture, its inevitable like has happened in the Arabian Peninsula with the Baloch and with the Brahui much earlier.

And truth be told, this mixing with any Punjabi's is typically relegated to Peshawar and many who claim to be Pashtun in Peshawar are not in actuality. Many of them are too the result of getting immersed in another culture, i.e., a Punjabi spending so much time in Peshawar that they end up speaking Pashto (the dominant language), taking their culture, etc. and claiming it for themselves while in reality, by blood, they are not or they too themselves were the result of a mixed marriage and claim heritage on both sides or heritage from whatever side they fancy (Pathan in Peshawar or a Pashtoon when amongst Afghans but a Pakistani in Islamabad).

Also, when your community is small, the opposite of what you said happens - people mix more. When your the minority you get absorbed, you don't absorb others and it's a struggle to not get absored. This is why many people on this forum keep championing a return to Loya Afghanistan because they fear how much further the absorption could go. The reason why it is not as pervasive on the Afghan side is because the Pashtoons in Afghanistan have not been the minority, far from it. The Pashtoons in Afghanistan have been every King in its history, President, historic figures, required their language to be respected, their culture, their clothing, etc.

In Afghanistan, Pashtoon culture has influenced the other ethnic groups as much as other ethnic groups have affected them. Many non-Pashtoon Afghans talk about many Pashtoonwali concepts as their own culture even if they don't like Pashtoons all because they have lived so long with Pashtoons and had Pashtoon culture overtly or subconsciously affect them. On the flip side, Urdu dominance, Punjabi dominance in news, movies, school, etc. make Pashtoon culture, values, etc. take a back seat to Punjabi culture. Same for all the ethnic groups in Pakistan, including the Baloch. Recognizing this is what has led to so many nationalist movements in Pakistan whereas, specific to the Pashtoons in Afghanistan, you see essentially none because they are the majority and their voices are not suppressed as much as in Pakistan.

That's basically the long and short of it and it's not to say there is anything wrong with any of these other ethnic groups except when one exhibits a lack of common respect for values each holds dear. Or, in other cases, when one group makes an outright attempts to disunify a particular group for their own benefit and even worse, when such an attempt is invoked in the name of religion.

[HalloIsBack]

LOL Shadaaap!

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[M17ArnoBaloch]

sorry what does shadaaap mean?

shutup

[HalloIsBack]

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[randolph85]

in the online world we only know 2 types of afghans, the religious and the nationalist. in the real world, there are afghans who are neither nationalist nor religious. these are the people who don't care about religion, country, culture, or bloodline. these inter-racial/kaffir unions are now the norm.

it is kind of a good thing, in a couple of generations these people will keep mixing with non afghans/muslims and will have no say in all matters afghanistan because they will have no connection to it. today, we have kafir members of the afghan community who still have some say in the politics that go on there by virtue of old blood lines and friendships.

once these peoples bloodline connections to afghanistan dies out, the better it is for afghanistan.

[Khyber Pass]

I hate how some people are like "Look punjabi but were Pashtun" or vice verse, how the heck does a Pashtun look or heck how does a punjabi look? The looks are so varied. There is no definite way.

[Pukhtoon]

I hate how some people are like "Look punjabi but were Pashtun" or vice verse, how the heck does a Pashtun look or heck how does a punjabi look? The looks are so varied. There is no definite way.

There's no 100% way of telling but generally speaking, there is a particular phenotype unique to each. There are outliers but generally speaking I can spot a Pashtoon from a Punjabi a mile away. There's obviously going to be people that are outliers like I mentioned and hard to peg as one particular ethnic group, but you can usually tell.

[Khyber Pass]

South Asians in general have a very unique phenotype compared to others, I've seen many punjabis as a whole who share many similarities with Pashtuns in terms of looks, primarily I believe that Pakistani's and many other South Asian groups suspect Pashtuns to be full out white, blonde hair blue eye'd but really that is not the case, I conclude that they are the minority who have a recessive gene which has been passed through the generations, most Pashtuns or South Asians in general, that includes the group of Punjabi's, and the different ethnicities that exist within the Punjab, have a very similar look, I have met many Pashtuns and other South Asian groups alike and a lot of the time I can't point out any differences rather similarities between them. So all in all we should stop this non sense of "lulz i tout he wuz poonjabi but he wiz pashtun". We're all the same to a certain extent.

[Pukhtoon]

South Asians in general have a very unique phenotype compared to others, I've seen many punjabis as a whole who share many similarities with Pashtuns in terms of looks, primarily I believe that Pakistani's and many other South Asian groups suspect Pashtuns to be full out white, blonde hair blue eye'd but really that is not the case, I conclude that they are the minority who have a recessive gene which has been passed through the generations, most Pashtuns or South Asians in general, that includes the group of Punjabi's, and the different ethnicities that exist within the Punjab, have a very similar look, I have met many Pashtuns and other South Asian groups alike and a lot of the time I can't point out any differences rather similarities between them. So all in all we should stop this non sense of "lulz i tout he wuz poonjabi but he wiz pashtun". We're all the same to a certain extent.

I respectfully disagree - we look very different generally speaking. I have noticed it less amongst people in Pekhawar so maybe were looking at different tribes. Not just complexion but just nose, eyes, facial structure, plus complexion etc. all together makes it easy to spot. I can usually pick out a Pashtoon from a Punjabi really easily but maybe it has to do with tribes or which cities your in.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Why shouldn't day? The Prophet sal allahu alayhi wasalam gave hi daughters to non-Pashtuns. Why should we act against his Sunnah and give our daughters only to Pashtuns?

[M17ArnoBaloch]

South Asians in general have a very unique phenotype compared to others, I've seen many punjabis as a whole who share many similarities with Pashtuns in terms of looks, primarily I believe that Pakistani's and many other South Asian groups suspect Pashtuns to be full out white, blonde hair blue eye'd but really that is not the case, I conclude that they are the minority who have a recessive gene which has been passed through the generations, most Pashtuns or South Asians in general, that includes the group of Punjabi's, and the different ethnicities that exist within the Punjab, have a very similar look, I have met many Pashtuns and other South Asian groups alike and a lot of the time I can't point out any differences rather similarities between them. So all in all we should stop this non sense of "lulz i tout he wuz poonjabi but he wiz pashtun". We're all the same to a certain extent.

are you high???? panjabis look like pashtuns ??????
who are you, a panjabi?

[M17ArnoBaloch]

Why shouldn't day? The Prophet sal allahu alayhi wasalam gave hi daughters to non-Pashtuns. Why should we act against his Sunnah and give our daughters only to Pashtuns?

When? He married "fatima" to his own cousin. Hence, same blood. The prophet said Ali is my blood and he gave fatima to his blood. The prophet was a bani isreal, so was Ali and fatima, and so were their Children, All pure of Bani isreal.