A question to all pf members

[PFgulalai]

I am wondering how are we going to achieve our 'ideals' if we are still unsure about our 'identity'.Tsk,tsk!

[Master Khan]

Come on people whoever said no please tell us why?

[Nokia_Apridy]

u see... afghans don't come only in pashtoon form... ...

afghans are tajik, hazara, uzbak, pashayee, noristani, sikh and many more.

if u respect and love afghans you should be able to take any afghan citizen to dinner or coffe and shoot anyone who points finger at that person... (not that i really want u to shoot anyone, but just sayin)

the beauty of afghanistan is in having all different ethnic groups that live there... its a melting post of different culture... all very beautiful !

Peruza khoray ta dasey walay pam (Soch ) kway cha tata

ba dalta Sok Muhajir waye........Zma dra Kuruna di

KOHAT KHYBER PEKHWRA kam za chay ghwarey ratlay shay

........Khu dasey khu ma waya kna

Tajik Hazara Uzbak tol ba Razey da khu haga da

Yakhney Jung Da Russia sra Zma KHwanday (sister) ao MYanday (mother,s)

ba zma na pa Akhart Tapos kaye chay

Za ya Oyajalam ao ta Warta pekhwar ka Dinner hem wakru

think it......

[ijaz yousafzai]

So if someone calls you an ethnic Afghan, you wouldnt like it?

My first preference goes to my aboriginal name ,Pakhtun/Pashtun. I don't mind to be called an Afghan. But if Tajiks, Uzbeks Aimaqs, Turks, and Nooristanis are also bracketed in the appellation of " Afghan",then I would not like to be called an Afghan. I'm living on the Eastern Side of the Durand Line, broken away by the infamous Durand Accord and now the Afghan Constitution ( Asasi Qanoon ) does not hold me an "Afghan", but it can not rob me of my ethnicity of being "Pakhtun/Pashtun", then why shouldn't I prefer to be called as a "Pakhtun/Pashtun"?.No constitution on the Earth and no geographical lines on the map can snatch away my etymological recognition of being a "PAKHTUN".

[ijaz yousafzai]

As for the topic, The proper word is Afghan, the word Afghan represents a separate unique ethnicity and therefore a distinct group of people related by blood and DNA.

Pukhtoon on the other hand represents someone who can speak the language, which can also be anyone, even an American who has recently learned to speak it.

Therefore, use only Afghan for all Pakistani, Afghanistani and around the world real/true Pukhtuns.

Grana Khushal Khana! I disagree with your contention. I had put on an article on Khyberwatch under my Netname , "Sakhi Arsala Khan". The topic was ," Pakhtun, Afghan and Pathan". I lead you to the article for amicable clarification through the following link;

http://khyberwatch.com/nandara/index...sk=view&id=335

[BLS_1919v2.0]

My first preference goes to my aboriginal name ,Pakhtun/Pashtun. I don't mind to be called an Afghan. But if Tajiks, Uzbeks Aimaqs, Turks, and Nooristanis are also bracketed in the appellation of " Afghan",then I would not like to be called an Afghan. I'm living on the Eastern Side of the Durand Line, broken away by the infamous Durand Accord and now the Afghan Constitution ( Asasi Qanoon ) does not hold me an "Afghan", but it can not rob me of my ethnicity of being "Pakhtun/Pashtun", then why shouldn't I prefer to be called as a "Pakhtun/Pashtun"?.No constitution on the Earth and no geographical lines on the map can snatch away my etymological recognition of being a "PAKHTUN".

The Afghanistan constitution has not barred from such a name. That is like saying because a chechen or tatar is a russian citizen therefore a russian in ukraine can't call themselves Russians anymore. I am sorry that is a little weak logic. Afghan is just as aboriginal as Pashtun, in fact both of their roots are unknown just that they have been historically known as both. Lolzz when within Pakistan identity and domicile they hold you Afghan how did Afghanistan bar you?

[AnGaaR]

The poll shows we are pretty certain about our identity. The guys who voted no and don't know are ISI and pakistani spies and farsiwan and iranian spies.

if i wont agree with u so will u call me iranian spy? lol

i am da one who voted the 2nd option because somehow i know my pashtoons on both sides of durand line
oh and dont get everything serious and stamp ppl with being iranian or farsiwan.. monga pakhpala domra khamyanai laro chei tobah.. pakar dai chei awal khpal zan sam ko bia noro ta gota woneiso..
Zmonga na kho iranian kha dei.. pa itifaq zchwand kawi and will die for eachother..

Look at ur pashtoon.. he is standing with pakistani army and killing his own pashtoons in waziristan and Afghanistan.. from General hamid gul to Gulbudin, all are pashtoons and still killing pashtoons.. should we call them to be our part?
Hell no..
i didnt agree with others because we are not complete.. we have bad ppl who support Pakistani government and anti pashtoon people.

padai forum kai kho tol wayu chei yaw pashton, yaw pakhtonkhwa... but go and search the streets of pakistan where u will see guys following afghans calling them Mahajir da khrai jajar.. Thats why i said we are not united.. the day Peshawari pashtons start respecting so called Mahajirs.. that day we can say we are united..
Yes you are pro pashtoons and iam too but our other brothers back home are not.. Educated pashtoons always think of pashtonkhwa but uneducated are stuck with ISI and Pakistani government..

Hala ba yaw kaigo chei zmonga zwanan da pakistan da army na las wakhlei..

[BLS_1919v2.0]

if i wont agree with u so will u call me iranian spy? lol

i am da one who voted the 2nd option because somehow i know my pashtoons on both sides of durand line
oh and dont get everything serious and stamp ppl with being iranian or farsiwan.. monga pakhpala domra khamyanai laro chei tobah.. pakar dai chei awal khpal zan sam ko bia noro ta gota woneiso..
Zmonga na kho iranian kha dei.. pa itifaq zchwand kawi and will die for eachother..

Look at ur pashtoon.. he is standing with pakistani army and killing his own pashtoons in waziristan and Afghanistan.. from General hamid gul to Gulbudin, all are pashtoons and still killing pashtoons.. should we call them to be our part?
Hell no..
i didnt agree with others because we are not complete.. we have bad ppl who support Pakistani government and anti pashtoon people.

Hamid Gul is not pashtun he is from sargodha. Now I can't help it if every Tom, ****, Harry says they are a Khan lolzz/

[AnGaaR]

Hamid Gul is not pashtun he is from sargodha. Now I can't help it if every Tom, ****, Harry says they are a Khan lolzz/

hamid gul was just an example..
ur dr qadir khan,, ur imran khan and the other fauji mashran.. the army..
how many of ur pashtoons are engaged fighting and killing other pashtoons in waziristan?
can u count them?
thats what i call hamid gul.. for me every pashtoon killer is yet another hamid gul and dog of ISI

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

I angree with Angaar lala.......Kala chey mung pukhtano zaan opejanda nooo har sa ba teek sheeeeeeee......There are a lot of Pukhtuns who hate their brother that are on the other side of durand line.....Yesteday a pukhtun friend of mine (who is a Jumat-e-Islami worker) said that "Har sa ba teek shee pakistan k kho ka' daa kabulyan dalta na laral" maa warta wey hagha sanga? noo lagya sho chey dvee da Pakistan tola economy kharaba kra....au oss hummm dalta khalaq Orha'(Aata/flour) na moomeee au ANP govt lagya dey dveeee dakaveeee au Afghanistan ta ye smuggle kaveeeee......I said:
"Chey Jumat-e-Islami Afghanistan ta Khalaq (the so called Mujahid) legal/smuggle kawal noo hagha khair deey khooooo ka flour warta legay nooooo pa hagey mo aitiraz dey.."
As Angaar mentioned there are a lot of Pukhtuns on high ranks in Pakistani govt/millitary institutions who hate their fellow men au da hazaar walo, punjabyano chaaplooseee kaveeee.....
Our respected member Khushal khan in one of his post praised Gohar Ayub for his efforts and writings for the unifications of pukhtuns......da soch khabara daa da chey yo sarhey pukhtun la da hagha' identity (pukhtunkhwa noom) warkolo bandey domra hangamey joraweeeee nooooo hagha ba pukhtano dapara saaa wokeee??? they are just hypocites......

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I angree with Angaar lala.......Kala chey mung pukhtano zaan opejanda nooo har sa ba teek sheeeeeeee......There are a lot of Pukhtuns who hate their brother that are on the other side of durand line.....Yesteday a pukhtun friend of mine (who is a Jumat-e-Islami worker) said that "Har sa ba teek shee pakistan k kho ka' daa kabulyan dalta na laral" maa warta wey hagha sanga? noo lagya sho chey dvee da Pakistan tola economy kharaba kra....au oss hummm dalta khalaq Orha'(Aata/flour) na moomeee au ANP govt lagya dey dveeee dakaveeee au Afghanistan ta ye smuggle kaveeeee......I said:
"Chey Jumat-e-Islami Afghanistan ta Khalaq (the so called Mujahid) legal/smuggle kawal noo hagha khair deey khooooo ka flour warta legay nooooo pa hagey mo aitiraz dey.."
As Angaar mentioned there are a lot of Pukhtuns on high ranks in Pakistani govt/millitary institutions who hate their fellow men au da hazaar walo, punjabyano chaaplooseee kaveeee.....
Our respected member Khushal khan in one of his post praised Gohar Ayub for his efforts and writings for the unifications of pukhtuns......da soch khabara daa da chey yo sarhey pukhtun la da hagha' identity (pukhtunkhwa noom) warkolo bandey domra hangamey joraweeeee nooooo hagha ba pukhtano dapara saaa wokeee??? they are just hypocites......

Yes there are Pashtuns like that unfortunately on both sides. Afghanistan khalk pa peshawar kae khaista tujarathoona ham shuruu karree wo. And if wasn't for jumaithe munafiq for cheer leading Americans to arm the mujahideen then they wouldn't have to leave. However I don't expect much from Jumaithiyaan, even donkeys make more sense and are of more political use. (no offense to your friend Yousafzai wrora).

[tor_khan]

I didn't vote, because whilst my heart says of course we are one, reality tells me that on the city streets we are not.

Somewhere, deep in the villages, away from the influences of urban politics, there was a time when it didn't matter which side of the Durand Line someone was on. The daily life of ordinary men and women was indistinguishable.

But then time has changed. Yes, yes Pashtoons in the east were sold out after 1893, but that was the action of one person. How could the elite in Pashtoonkhwa who saw what happened become clients of British India and later Pakistan? They have watched their language and culture become diluted, their people humiliated, held back and led to ruin. They have profiteered on this and feel that progress is only possible through that process of dilution.

Pashtoon leadership in Pakistan has done little to resist, to fully take control of their own politcs, to forge their own electronic media and stand on their own feet. Pashtoons appear to exist because the Panjab allows them to exist - this is undignified and shameful.

A good example is Swat which became a part of Pakistan much later in Pakistan's history and look what happened there - last year it was brought to its knees and today is riddled with state spies. Just try speaking your mind.

Pashtoons in Pakistan didn't become "domesticated" so easily, I accept, but they appear to have lost the will. We need a strong Afghanistan for Pashtoons to be one but before Afghanistan can be strong, we need Pashtoons - wherever they are - to make it so.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

^ Rational and perceptive as always, tor khan! I couldn't agree more with you.