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    'Kabul is less conservative than Pakistani cities' because you get to hear less Azaan (call to prayer)

    Kabul is always in the news. Yet, we do not seem to know much about it.

    DW's Thomas Baerthlein recently visited the Afghan capital and discovered
    a different city from what he had expected.

    DW's Thomas Baerthlein lists ten of his biggest surprises during his visit to Kabul:
    Kabul is not a gloomy, depressing place as most people in the world think.
    Afghans are fun-loving and they love to party. There are dozens of glitzy wedding
    halls in the capital, which are apparently doing good business. Kabul's weddings are
    much bigger than most Indian and Pakistani weddings. Middle and upper-class Afghan
    families spend thousands of dollars on weddings.Kabul can easily be called the capital of youth.
    You see young men and women in government offices and other institutions.

    Bright and eloquent 30-year-olds occupy leading positions in Kabul. They are not interested
    in the Taliban and do not want to see them return to power. The youngsters are also extremely energetic.
    They work and study at the same time. Some of them run non-government organizations.
    Kabul doesn't even look like a very conservative place. You hear much less
    prayer calls from mosques than in Pakistan - or Turkey, for that matter. There are many women on the streets,
    most of whom cover their heads loosely with a scarf, still showing some hair. Burqas are the exception.
    You see more women wearing veils in the Pakistani city of Peshawar than in Kabul.


    Although Western soldiers and diplomats fear attacks, most areas in Kabul are quite safe for even Western civilians,
    who walk around freely and do their shopping. Kabul is safer than other Afghan cities.
    There are still some old communists in the city who praise former Afghan President Mohammad Najibullah
    and say that he lived in a simple apartment because he was not corrupt like the President Hamid Karzai today.
    I visited an underground bar run by an old communist which is frequented by Afghans - including members of special
    anti-terrorist forces trained by the Americans.Most Afghans blame Pakistan for interfering in their country's affairs.
    If you turn on the TV, people are always discussing their neighbor. Yet the residents of Kabul regularly visit Peshawar
    and other Pakistani cities and Pakistani Pashtuns can travel to Afghanistan and work in Kabul without documents,
    not caring much about the “Durand Line” - the international border which divides the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan
    and Pakistan.

    Most people in Kabul speak both Afghan languages - Dari and Pashto. Ethnic groups don't segregate themselves;
    inter-ethnic friendships and marriages are common. Despite the bloodshed, all the Afghans I met were fiercely nationalistic.
    They are against breaking up the country along ethnic lines.Kabul is quite a green city with many parks.
    It is also dusty. The streets are in a bad shape. The Afghan foreign ministry employs dozens of gardeners and
    even manages a greenhouse, which is responsible for sending flower pots to every office and meeting room.
    Afghans really like football. We saw some really good football in the first edition of the Afghan Premier League.
    The event is promoted by the Afghan telecom giant Roshan and the leading TV channel Tolo TV.

    There are lots of German buses on the streets of Kabul, which were sold secondhand by German-Afghans.
    Afghanistan faces many challenges but let's not forget that Afghans are resilient. The bullet holes from the civil war
    have disappeared from the walls of Kabul and new construction is underway everywhere.

    On a hill in the western outskirts, the ruins of the Darul Aman palace, built in the 1920s by the former Afghan King Amanullah, serves as a reminder of the old times.

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    maybe because Kabul is under constant destruction from the past 35 years? pigface
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    • #3
      hearing 7 different azans for each prayer is one of the best parts of being back home -.-

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      • #4
        These are the fruits of the anti Taliban struggle by Afghans with the help of foreign forces to contain the menace of obscurantism and backwardness. Such news are encouraging for Afghans and the world.

        Young generation will never want that this beautiful city may be dominated once again by the brutal forces of terror the Taliban.

        I visited recently Kabul for a short time and my findings are almost the same. Kabul is thriving and you see the same progress and change even in Jalalabad.
        Afghans are generally happy over the state of affairs and hope for the best when the foreign troops will leave after establishing national institutions on strong foundations to defeat the fores of devil and darkness.

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        • #5
          Such news are encouraging to Afghans.? :S

          And less conservative because you hear less Azaan?? .. If this is the criteria I wish every city of Pakistan gets more conservative than the other.
          yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shehbaz Khan View Post
            Such news are encouraging to Afghans.? :S

            And less conservative because you hear less Azaan?? .. If this is the criteria I wish every city of Pakistan gets more conservative than the other.
            have of kabul are more conservative than 10/20 years ago.
            this news is false,and saying that it is less conservative than pakistan is a big joke.

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            • #7
              pokiston key mullogon khha ghagona ne laree ao sahi baang ne weyrki

              yeh zel po pekhhawer key yeh mulla wo chi yeh weyrkyeh saara kozda weykrra tobah ddeera e sherm khabara doo

              ddeer aromi khalak di

              e kobel khabara preygda werkya os elta eytzok musalmonzay neshta
              Last edited by Qalandar; 10-16-2012, 04:04 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                These are the fruits of the anti Taliban struggle by Afghans with the help of foreign forces to contain the menace of obscurantism and backwardness. Such news are encouraging for Afghans and the world.
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                Azan is Afghanistans majority desire. The afghans that dont want it need foreign forces to supress the majority? This is your idea of the fruits of society? Isnt supression of the wish of the majority backwardness and tyrannical. Why is it that people need foreign forces to control the afghans, why cant those people man up like saddam, ghadafi or asad and do it all by yourself. Are the afghans too much for you to handle?
                Last edited by khushal; 10-16-2012, 05:38 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shehbaz Khan View Post
                  Such news are encouraging to Afghans.? :S
                  .
                  Yes it is encouraging to afghans and pakistanis that want to limit freedom for people. Afghans and Pakistanis that would like to instill their own will on others.

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                  • #10
                    Hopefully that may change after 2014. So you westerners have less days left to celebrate the Afghan liberalism.
                    "Da bado sakha sha zezhi, da sho sakha washa zezhi"

                    - Hajjanai Adeh

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                    • #11
                      My jubilation was not on the Azaan where it is heard in Kabul or not but on the rest of the contents of the report on development and happiness especially of the young Afghans. I am not against Azaan as it is a religious act and I am not against religion.

                      Religion (beliefs+worship+morality) is not something bad but its mixing with politics, economics, culture and society create problems as we see in the muslim world and especially in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan.

                      Let the people observe religion but in politics they may follow democracy, liberalism and human rights. In economics they may go for development and controlled capitalism while in culture or society they may follow Pashtunwali or other cultural/social norms.

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                      • #12
                        badlun, if you didn't have so many posts i would think you were some centcom bot. lol @ keeping islam out of afghan politics, nigga you are insane.
                        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                        Sayyid Qutb

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Qalandar View Post
                          pokiston key mullogon khha ghagona ne laree ao sahi baang ne weyrki

                          yeh zel po pekhhawer key yeh mulla wo chi yeh weyrkyeh saara kozda weykrra tobah ddeera e sherm khabara doo

                          ddeer aromi khalak di

                          e kobel khabara preygda werkya os elta eytzok musalmonzay neshta
                          Very mature.

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                          • #14
                            Peshawar is like 95% Pashtun and Kabul is all mixed.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Master Khan View Post
                              Peshawar is like 95% Pashtun and Kabul is all mixed.
                              What is your point?

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