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isn't that interpretation going outside of what the Qur'an explicitly states something you believe God only knows the true meanings of?[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
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But god does say follow what is written in the Quran, and don't worry about it's true interpretation.Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
Dont duck and throw shots in the air with a bandit. if you cant answer my reply, don't reply back.Comment
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Originally posted by کیش View Post
No .....I want to know why you can use such analogy, when you believe you can't interpret God's words beyond what is literally stated. Because if you believe that,, then the answer is clearly NO, since God only mentions burying baby GIRLS, and only AFTER they are born. Thus wouldn't pertain to abortion.
check mate literalist.[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.Comment
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Since you cannot answer my reply by bringing other topics into a different topic, you are delusional. all try one last time,Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
By YOUR logic, the chances of giving birth to a Female is relatively even with that of a male. So YOUR logic, will say it's still illegal because there's a chance of aborting a female.Comment
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Originally posted by کیش View Post
hUH? where was that my logic even in the remotest? lol No trust me it's all relevant; you're interpreting the Qur'an beyond what is literally stated; even though you argue that others shoudn't. So according to the literal reading of the Qur'an abortion is JUST fine, it's just you can't Kill a Baby Girl AFTER she is born. or rather BURY her, it doesn't necessarily mean you can't kill her other ways.Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 07-19-2012, 10:42 PM.[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.Comment
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Is this your opinion or Mutazilah's ?Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View PostComment
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well see that's the thing, in Mu'tazilah, there are no real set opinions, we change our opinions based on better evidence and understanding . So it could be bothOriginally posted by Friend View Post
[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.Comment
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Does it mean you (Mutazilahs) still have not reached to the understanding of the verses of the holy Quran ?Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Postwell see that's the thing, in Mu'tazilah, there are no real set opinions, we change our opinions based on better evidence and understanding . So it could be bothComment
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the Qur'an is infinite, every letter of the Qur'an has thousands of meaningsOriginally posted by Friend View Post so really no one has.
[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.Comment
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You are applying this to the whole of Quran or a part or this particular issue ?Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Postthe Qur'an is infinite, every letter of the Qur'an has thousands of meanings so really no one has.Comment
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just as I said, pay attentionOriginally posted by Friend View Post
[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.Comment
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So anyhow, the debate in America currently is: when is it murder. after it is born, or after a certain time of being conceived or is it at the time of conception.
The debate at the time of roe vs wade was that people are aborting their babies anyway in an unhealthy and unsafe way and also people were leaving their babies in garbages(they still do), why not provide a safe alternative for them.
The debate also explores, should it be a womans choice alone since it is her body or does the father have a say.Comment
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In places like China and India, when people find out that they are having a girl, they abort it and when it is a boy, they have it.Originally posted by کیش View Post
What do you guys think of when they know that the baby has down syndrome. People also abort when they know that or other genetic defects.Comment
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Are you serious? In Islam it clearly says the main reason for intercource is reproduction but at the same time it is allowed and even encouraged for gratification.Originally posted by کیش View Post
In the sexual act of each of you there is a sadaqah (charity or gift)." The Companions replied: "O Messenger of God! When one of us fulfils his sexual desire, will he be given a reward for that?" And he said, "Do you not think that were he to act upon it unlawfully, he would be sinning?Likewise, if he acts upon it lawfully he will be rewarded.
[Sahih Muslim]
A man said: Apostle of Allah, I have a slave-girl and I withdraw from her (while having intercours e), and I dislike that she becomes pregnant. I intend (by intercours e) what the men intend by it. The Jews say that withdrawal method (Al-azl) is like burying the living girls on a small scale. He (the Prophet) said: The Jews told a lie. If Allah intends to create it, you cannot turn it away. [10] —Hadith from Sunan Abu DawudComment
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Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason
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