End of virginity, if women drive, Saudi cleric warns

[Karachi]

^ the most Racism that I have seen exists in Saudi Arabia ok, the so called "Islamic" land

In a western country like Canada, which is "Kaffir" you will hardly ever see racism

every body is equal here, doesn't matter if he is cleaning toilets or a CEO of the company, they are all equals

Real Islam, which is with out racism doesn't exist in Saudi Arabia from what i have seen

Saudis are always looked upon as the most superior, followed by white people, south asian/blacks are at the bottom of racial hierarchy

You can deny what ever you want, there are many media articles on this too. But like I said you seem to be part of the problem, I guess you probably have a south asian/african slave servant in your house

[al-arab]

^ the most Racism that I have seen exists in Saudi Arabia ok, the so called "Islamic" land

In a western country like Canada, which is "Kaffir" you will hardly ever see racism

every body is equal here, doesn't matter if he is cleaning toilets or a CEO of the company, they are all equals

Real Islam, which is with out racism doesn't exist in Saudi Arabia from what i have seen

Saudis are always looked upon as the most superior, followed by white people, then south asian/blacks are at the bottom of racial hierarchy

You can deny what ever you want, there are many media articles on this too. But like I said you seem to be part of the problem, I guess you probably have a south asian/african slave servant in your house

Western propaganda.

I repeat again. I have never witnessed what you talk about in Hijaz. Simple really. You might have been unlucky or part of the problem (acting un-Islamic or being racist toward local Arabs) Both would not surpirse me. (now when you started guessing about me)

Apparently your behaviour in the the vast majority of your stay here has been charecterized by Un-Islamic behaviour and racism towards Arabs and Pashtuns. Several people has reminded you of this.

So why do you even dare to speak about racism when you are not better yourself?

You can talk badly about Arab countries, Islam and Saudi Arabia but nobody is forcing you to vist these countries.

And yet again. No, I have never witnessed those absurd western propaganda you mention in Hijaz.

What I have witnessed though is un-Islamic behaviour by some foreigners and that was dealt with rightly.

[Karachi]

^ oh ok so now your blaming the vicitims, very nice, typical attitude that I expected

instead of fixing the problems, just blame the victims ( foreigners) yes they are the most evil, saudis are angels. Come see what is happening in Riyadh and eastern areas

and stop saying BS, i haven't made one single racist comment against pashtuns.

[al-arab]

^ oh ok so now your blaming the vicitims, very nice, typical attitude that I expected

instead of fixing the problems, just blame the victims ( foreigners)

and stop saying BS, i haven't made one single racist comment against pashtuns.

Which victims? The one who acted Un-Islamic and were unfriendly towards locals?

Once again. I haven ot witnessed those western propaganda you mention in this thread. I bet that you were part of the problem.

What you call nonsense was posted by other people than me. And since I remember you apologizing for it I trust it being truth.

Apart from that you have been well-known for your anti-Arab tirades. Even this thread is an example of it.

If you don't like Arab countries nobody forces you to live or stay there.

And when talking about fixing problems who should look at your own country Pakistan who is well-known for having a lot of un-Islamic costumes and racism.

But why should I discuss this even if it was truth? (Which is is, because every country has it faults) when this is happening everywhere in the world.

If Saudi Arabia was the most racist country in the world or what other western propaganda you tell me from your Cananda then I wonder why so many foreginers continue to live, travel and visit the country and come back again and again.

[Karachi]

^ who is saying any thing about Islam?

These saudis who commit racist crimes are not islamic ok, stop bringing Islam in the middle, Islam is with out racism

Thats why I am saying many many saudis do not follow Islam, they are just Bedouin mentality people, especially in the east of the country.

the only reason south asian/africans are living there is simply because they have to feed their families back home. They work like slaves to feed their familes

[al-arab]

^ who is saying any thing about Islam?

These saudis who commit racist crimes are not islamic ok, stop bringing Islam in the middle, Islam is with out racism

Thats why I am saying many many saudis do not follow Islam, they are just Bedouin mentality people, especially in the east of the country.

the only reason south asian/africans are living there is simply because they have to feed their families back home. They work like slaves to feed their familes

Read my message again.

What are you now talking about? I have been the one who has been most against racims here on this forum and even quoted the Holy Quran and several Hadiths that prohabits it clearly. Maybe you should read some of my messages and what I have responded to (20 percent of it has been Anti-Arab tirades like the one you do right now again).

Bedouins are very friendly, peaceful, humble and pious Muslims in Iraq, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Again propaganda from your. The Ikhwan forces were Bedouins and fought for Islam, conservatism, the Khalifah and Ummah when other's (al-saud family) betrayed them. You should not disrespect them. There are no real bedouins in Riyadh so I do not know what you are talking about. Most live close to Jordan, Iraq borders and in South Najd and Hijaz.

Again you are telling lies. So you are tring to tell me that all South Asians/Africans and people that are non-Arabs are slaves?`

I think we shall end the debate know.

You do not seem to understand that there is racism in every society and country but because Saudi Arabia happens to be a Arab country you critice them and not Europe, USA, Africa (yes there is racism in Africa), Pakistan, India etc.

Yes, because they are all forced to travel to Saudi Arabia because it is the only country in the world.....Why don't they travel to Europe, USA, South America, Africa, China etc. if it is so horrible?

Solve your own problems before dictating what other's should do. We Arabs know which problems we have and one of them is people who are un-Islamic and munafiqs in disguise.

And for the 5 time in this debate. No, I have not witnessed anything of your western propaganda about slavery in Saudi Arabia.

Just among the Imams in Masjid al-Haram there is black people.....

[Karachi]

^ again if you are not witnessing these problems they you must be blind and are part of the problem

racism is in every society but on different levels, Canada has very very little racism, while a place like saudi arabia has racism in it's Laws. For example a brown guy with a Canadian education will get less pay than a white guy with the same education. you dont call that racist??? this is just one example, there are many more.

Again you are blind and part of the problem and just keep lying and pretending saudis are angels and only outsiders are evil.

with out outsiders help, you will still be riding camels, this is the truth you have to face.

[al-arab]

^ again if you are not witnessing these problems they you must be blind and are part of the problem

racism is in every society but on different levels, Canada has very very little racism, while a place like saudi arabia has racism in it's Laws. For example a brown guy with a Canadian education will get less pay than a white guy with the same education. you dont call that racist??? this is just one example, there are many more.

Again you are blind and part of the problem and just keep lying and pretending saudis are angels and only outsiders are evil.

with out outsiders help, you will still be riding camels, this is the truth you have to face.

You are a well-known liar who probably was raised as an atheist. A lot of your opinions show that.

How dare you talk about racism when you are one of the most racist people here? Just read your last comment.

Your hypocrisy is unbelieable and extremely un-Islamic. Shall I quote the Holy Quran and some Hadiths to prove your hypocrisy.

Who are we? I am an Iraqi Arab not from Saudi Arabia (although my ancestry is from Saudi Arabia among others).

Yes, keep posting your western propaganda racist.

No, the truth is that you have shown many un-Islamic views on this forum and continue to do so.

Again, for the 6 time. I have not seen slavery or other of your nonsense in Hijaz or anywhere else.

Don't travel to Arab countries if you don't like it as I said to you before. We don't need un-Islamic and racist people like you. Stay in your secular Canada.

Who keep ignoring all my arguments that prove you lie and is a propaganda tool of the western media.

There are black people among the Imams of Masjid al-Haram.

What is your comment to that?

I urge everyone else to ignore this person he is clearly a racist, was also racist towards Pashtuns in his first posts (brother Graveyardofempires) can confirm this and other's. He even publicaly admitted with his recent message that he is a racist and therefore contradicts the teachings of Islam.

Again, solve yor own problems with alcoholism, idolworshipping, black magic etc. in Pakistan before commenting on other countries.

[al-arab]

You are part of the problem in Saudi Arabia among the foreigners who came and disrespect Islam with their behaviour and disrespect locals. Afterwards who claim that Saudis are the biggest racist on earth will your own "Pakistan" (a 64 old country) is one of the biggest Un-Islamic countries among the countries with majority of Muslims.

You cry about western propaganda lies but you have been exposed as an primitive racist yourself.

You cannot find one quote from me where I have been racist towards any race unlike you who have posted several of such messages.

Therefore you should not dare to preach about what Islam forbids and does not when you yourself has been exposed as an hypocrit because you don't follow the teachings of Islam by your behaviour in this thread.

You turn the blind eye to racism (far worse) in other countries but when it is Arab countries who like to tell Western propaganda that has no truth on earth.

If so there would not be that many foreginers in Saudi Arabia who are living, working and visiting Saudi Arabia frequently again and again.

[Karachi]

^ again bringing Islam in the middle, why do you keep doing that?

you can't answer my questions about Saudi Racism and just use the Islam card to get away from the topic. Again typical attitude of a hypocrite

[Karachi]

You are a well-known liar who probably was raised as an atheist. A lot of your opinions show that.

How dare you talk about racism when you are one of the most racist people here? Just read your last comment.

Your hypocrisy is unbelieable and extremely un-Islamic. Shall I quote the Holy Quran and some Hadiths to prove your hypocrisy.

Who are we? I am an Iraqi Arab not from Saudi Arabia (although my ancestry is from Saudi Arabia among others).

Yes, keep posting your western propaganda racist.

No, the truth is that you have shown many un-Islamic views on this forum and continue to do so.

Again, for the 6 time. I have not seen slavery or other of your nonsense in Hijaz or anywhere else.

Don't travel to Arab countries if you don't like it as I said to you before. We don't need un-Islamic and racist people like you. Stay in your secular Canada.

Who keep ignoring all my arguments that prove you lie and is a propaganda tool of the western media.

There are black people among the Imams of Masjid al-Haram.

What is your comment to that?

I urge everyone else to ignore this person he is clearly a racist, was also racist towards Pashtuns in his first posts (brother Graveyardofempires) can confirm this and other's. He even publicaly admitted with his recent message that he is a racist and therefore contradicts the teachings of Islam.

Again, solve yor own problems with alcoholism, idolworshipping, black magic etc. in Pakistan before commenting on other countries.

you want me to show some racist videos of how south asian / blacks are treated there? trust me there are many coming from Saudi, who record the beatings on purpose

[al-arab]

you want me to show some racist videos of how south asian / blacks are treated there? trust me there are many coming from Saudi, who record the beatings on purpose

Then show me it. And even if they exists such videos they are not the picture of a whole country of 30 million people. I found it astonishing that you are not able to figure that out.

And now when you are looking find me videos of idiots from Pakistan, Papua New Guinea and Moldova now when you are at it........

From your short replies I can see that you are admitting that you are wrong in your approach.

Why I introduce Islam? Are you that big a hypocrit?

Maybe you should read my message again to understan why I did so correctly.

Let's leave it here you are clearly an Un-Islamic racist your remark about Saudis in your latest post is the prove of it.