What I want in a woman

[Zmarak]

What I meant is women are blood sucking vampires. They will take the poor man, and whip em and brainwash them to do with they want. I have observed this in numerous marriages. If the man stands up for his rights, then that will lead to fights. Fights leads to divorce...

Blood sucking vampires? This only serves to create a deeper void between genders without valid reason. People of rotten character can be found in each gender. But I do know about the type of person that you speak of and I do believe they are somewhat common amongst average people. I have no use for them... I wouldn't even associate with them, let alone accept one in marriage. But there are women that may surprise you with a very opposite character to the one you describe above. Searching for them could be depressing journey though.

...which always ends with the wife winning even if she was the main reason for the divorce. She can take 50+% of the husbands assets, and custody of the kids.

Why would I ever want to be involved in this scam?

!!?! This is not Sharia! Where does all of this happen??? Is this the law of a secular kuffar nation? How does husband or wife "win" in talaq? In the end, it's usually a simple case of the woman returning to her family. I thought that who gets the children depends on the madhab recognized by the court? In Hanafi madhab, who raises which children depends on gender of the children but there are exceptions based on various circumstances. Well, of course father is always financially responsible for maintenance of his children regardless of who is raising them but all of that should be understood.

[Soldat_Amir]

You want her an excellent cooker or cook? As I understand cooker is a pot. Why you don't become a cook your self. Why we attach only women to the kitchen why men don't cook also. Why we don't consider women as life partners and not as servants to cook and serve food, clean and wash clothes?

Are you also a virgin or only you want she must be virgin? She can also desire for a pure man. In the west women are not virgins but in the Muslim world you wont find a man who is meeting his wife for the first time in intimate relations.

How ugly it is that you are a racist , committing apartheid and calling your self anti-Semitic. And how you call the belief system of the majority of people of the world, the Christians as witchcraft.

You want her to be obedient and poor so you can command. What a brazen male chauvinism!

Have you ever thought what she will look into you. Are you qualified to be a good life partner. Why we expect from women but don't let women to expect, choose and decide? Why Muslims and specially Pashtuns are male chauvinists?

I think Al hanif will be disappointed when he reads this

SAINT-DENIS, France - Chastity can exact a painful price from young Muslim women, forced into lies or surgery to go to the marriage bed as virgins.

Hymen repair, fake virginity certificates and other deceptions, said to be commonplace in some Muslim countries, are practiced in France and elsewhere in Europe, where Muslim girls are more emancipated but still live under rigid codes of family honor.

Such ploys have saved many a young woman from scorn and worse. But they also clash with the more liberal social mores of France and Europe, where some decry it as an attack on human rights.

The procedures are legal but shrouded in silence - "something that passes through nonofficial channels," via friends or the Internet, said Dr. Nathan Wrobel. "There are circuits that lead women to me."

Wrobel is one of an unknown number of gynecologists in France who are willing to repair hymens, the membrane usually broken by the first act of sexual intercourse. He was one of the few doctors willing to talk about it.
Wrobel says women come to him having convinced themselves that the procedure will somehow reverse the irreversible. "They tell me, 'I'll be a virgin again. You will make me a virgin,' which in reality is totally false …. It's a secret we share."

Other doctors issue false virginity certificates or offer such tricks as spilling a vial of blood on the sheets to fool families into believing the bride has passed their purity bar.

Through the ages, virginity has been prized across religions and cultures, and doctors note that only a few generations back European brides also had to furnish documentary "proof" of chastity.

In today's France, with an estimated 5 million Muslims - the largest such population in western Europe - it's part of the larger question of how to deal with cultural clashes ranging from head scarves in schools to sexual segregation in swimming pools.

A 2005 government report addressing culture clashes in hospitals, and issued a year after Muslim head scarves were banned from classrooms, briefly mentions the virginity issue, asking doctors to refuse to issue false certificates.

Isabelle Levy, author of "Religion in the Hospital," decries both certificates and hymen repair, saying deception "increases the moral suffering."
In Islam, virginity is linked to bridal purity and family honor, said Dalil Boubakeur, head of the Paris Mosque.

He notes that tradition holds that "adre," virgins, are among the delights of paradise. However, Boubakeur, a doctor and a moderate Muslim, says the Quran does not address premarital virginity, and he is against the deception, counseling bride and bridegroom to confide in each other.

It is not known how many doctors in France or elsewhere in Europe help Muslim women to fake virginity. But in Germany, Turkish Muslim immigrants are increasingly seeking virginity certificates, said Serap Cileli, who survived a forced marriage and now helps victims.

German doctors who do hymen repair are easy to find, according to Sibylle Schreiber, who works with a women's rights group in Tuebingen, but it's "a taboo topic really only discussed best friend to best friend."

Not on the Internet, however, where the desperation in Web forums is palpable. "If you have contacts to help me, I'll never be able to thank you enough," writes a woman calling herself Lubna who wants help finding someone to restore her virginity.

Wrobel, who teaches at the University of Paris, says he and another doctor at his clinic in a Paris suburb stitch up seven to eight hymens a month in a 20- to 30-minute operation under general anesthesia that he likens to plastic surgery. He asked that the clinic not be named.

The price, $500, is steep for a young woman in a poor family and possibly unemployed. A German doctor advertising on the Internet charges $1,250.
Dr. Emmanuelle Piet, who heads the family planning clinics in an area north of Paris where many Muslims live, says she has been issuing a half-dozen virginity certificates a year for three decades.

But instead of hymen repair, she suggests less drastic measures, like spilling blood on the sheet on the wedding night.
"It's easy to be like a virgin," she said.

It's deceptive but "it's one way to help the girls," said Piet, a veteran women's rights advocate. "They are stuck in things so terrible."
In an interview, a French Muslim woman from the northern Paris suburb of Saint Denis, recounted how she was forced to procure a virginity certificate at age 12 "after my mother surprised me with a friend." Although nothing had happened between her and the boy, her suspicious brothers beat her up, she said, requesting anonymity.

By age 19 she had lost her virginity and underwent hymen repair before marrying a man who demanded a virgin.

"I wanted to leave home. I took the first one who came along," the woman said. The marriage ended after five years.
- AP correspondents Claire Levenson in Paris and David McHugh in Berlin contributed to this report.



Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/national...#ixzz1ecaO4Olw

[Soldat_Amir]

After reading what happened to Hulk Hogan after his divorce (Hulk Hogan), I do not want anything from those people. Leave my money alone.

Then stick to goats I hear divorce laws dont apply to them.

[Al Hanif]

I think Al hanif will be disappointed when he reads this

SAINT-DENIS, France - Chastity can exact a painful price from young Muslim women, forced into lies or surgery to go to the marriage bed as virgins.

Hymen repair, fake virginity certificates and other deceptions, said to be commonplace in some Muslim countries, are practiced in France and elsewhere in Europe, where Muslim girls are more emancipated but still live under rigid codes of family honor.

Such ploys have saved many a young woman from scorn and worse. But they also clash with the more liberal social mores of France and Europe, where some decry it as an attack on human rights.

The procedures are legal but shrouded in silence - "something that passes through nonofficial channels," via friends or the Internet, said Dr. Nathan Wrobel. "There are circuits that lead women to me."

Wrobel is one of an unknown number of gynecologists in France who are willing to repair hymens, the membrane usually broken by the first act of sexual intercourse. He was one of the few doctors willing to talk about it.
Wrobel says women come to him having convinced themselves that the procedure will somehow reverse the irreversible. "They tell me, 'I'll be a virgin again. You will make me a virgin,' which in reality is totally false …. It's a secret we share."

Other doctors issue false virginity certificates or offer such tricks as spilling a vial of blood on the sheets to fool families into believing the bride has passed their purity bar.

Through the ages, virginity has been prized across religions and cultures, and doctors note that only a few generations back European brides also had to furnish documentary "proof" of chastity.

In today's France, with an estimated 5 million Muslims - the largest such population in western Europe - it's part of the larger question of how to deal with cultural clashes ranging from head scarves in schools to sexual segregation in swimming pools.

A 2005 government report addressing culture clashes in hospitals, and issued a year after Muslim head scarves were banned from classrooms, briefly mentions the virginity issue, asking doctors to refuse to issue false certificates.

Isabelle Levy, author of "Religion in the Hospital," decries both certificates and hymen repair, saying deception "increases the moral suffering."
In Islam, virginity is linked to bridal purity and family honor, said Dalil Boubakeur, head of the Paris Mosque.

He notes that tradition holds that "adre," virgins, are among the delights of paradise. However, Boubakeur, a doctor and a moderate Muslim, says the Quran does not address premarital virginity, and he is against the deception, counseling bride and bridegroom to confide in each other.

It is not known how many doctors in France or elsewhere in Europe help Muslim women to fake virginity. But in Germany, Turkish Muslim immigrants are increasingly seeking virginity certificates, said Serap Cileli, who survived a forced marriage and now helps victims.

German doctors who do hymen repair are easy to find, according to Sibylle Schreiber, who works with a women's rights group in Tuebingen, but it's "a taboo topic really only discussed best friend to best friend."

Not on the Internet, however, where the desperation in Web forums is palpable. "If you have contacts to help me, I'll never be able to thank you enough," writes a woman calling herself Lubna who wants help finding someone to restore her virginity.

Wrobel, who teaches at the University of Paris, says he and another doctor at his clinic in a Paris suburb stitch up seven to eight hymens a month in a 20- to 30-minute operation under general anesthesia that he likens to plastic surgery. He asked that the clinic not be named.

The price, $500, is steep for a young woman in a poor family and possibly unemployed. A German doctor advertising on the Internet charges $1,250.
Dr. Emmanuelle Piet, who heads the family planning clinics in an area north of Paris where many Muslims live, says she has been issuing a half-dozen virginity certificates a year for three decades.

But instead of hymen repair, she suggests less drastic measures, like spilling blood on the sheet on the wedding night.
"It's easy to be like a virgin," she said.

It's deceptive but "it's one way to help the girls," said Piet, a veteran women's rights advocate. "They are stuck in things so terrible."
In an interview, a French Muslim woman from the northern Paris suburb of Saint Denis, recounted how she was forced to procure a virginity certificate at age 12 "after my mother surprised me with a friend." Although nothing had happened between her and the boy, her suspicious brothers beat her up, she said, requesting anonymity.

By age 19 she had lost her virginity and underwent hymen repair before marrying a man who demanded a virgin.

"I wanted to leave home. I took the first one who came along," the woman said. The marriage ended after five years.
- AP correspondents Claire Levenson in Paris and David McHugh in Berlin contributed to this report.



Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/national...#ixzz1ecaO4Olw

[Al Hanif]

genuine question censored

[IamDZJ]

dear Soldout_Amir, was your wife virgin when you married her ?

I don't *think that is any of your business.

[کیش]

Then stick to goats I hear divorce laws dont apply to them.

Is that what two-face snitches do?

Al-hanif

I'm sure Benedicts Arnold's wife is trash like he is. I mean who would wanna marry a piece of **** who would sell his mom to get somewhere?

[کیش]

Blood sucking vampires? This only serves to create a deeper void between genders without valid reason. People of rotten character can be found in each gender. But I do know about the type of person that you speak of and I do believe they are somewhat common amongst average people. I have no use for them... I wouldn't even associate with them, let alone accept one in marriage. But there are women that may surprise you with a very opposite character to the one you describe above. Searching for them could be depressing journey though.


!!?! This is not Sharia! Where does all of this happen??? Is this the law of a secular kuffar nation? How does husband or wife "win" in talaq? In the end, it's usually a simple case of the woman returning to her family. I thought that who gets the children depends on the madhab recognized by the court? In Hanafi madhab, who raises which children depends on gender of the children but there are exceptions based on various circumstances. Well, of course father is always financially responsible for maintenance of his children regardless of who is raising them but all of that should be understood.

This happens in America, the place where our friend Amir Khan Masseed would kill his whole tribe to get into.

[tor_khan]

Staff Message:

Whilst not all communities share the same rules and moral values, please be reminded that Pashtoon men, despite the negative media portrayals, hold matters of honour regarding Pashtoon women in the highest regard. For men to ask publicly intrusive questions about each others' wives is culturally alien to my knowledge and has no place in a Pashtoon Forum. Reminders/Warnings sent.

[Al Hanif]

^ Mediterranean men are well known for their machismo and proud of it.

You can ask any question as long as it is not haram.

Allah SWT said : A man guilty of adultery (or fornication) shall not marry any but the woman guilty of the same or a mushrik woman, and none shall marry a woman guilty of adultery (or fornication) but the man guilty of the same or a mushrik man : such marriages are forbidden to true believers. [Qur'an 24:3]

How is someone supposed to know if he can marry somebody if he doesn't ask ?

Then in all cases, it's permissible to ask such a thing.

[Punjabi]

punjab is not a country.

It could be

[Punjabi]

^ Mediterranean men are well known for their machismo and proud of it.

You can ask any question as long as it is not haram.

Allah SWT said : A man guilty of adultery (or fornication) shall not marry any but the woman guilty of the same or a mushrik woman, and none shall marry a woman guilty of adultery (or fornication) but the man guilty of the same or a mushrik man : such marriages are forbidden to true believers. [Qur'an 24:3]

How is someone supposed to know if he can marry somebody if he doesn't ask ?

Then in all cases, it's permissible to ask such a thing.

I think that in this forum, you can't ask Such questions According to this forum Rules.

[IamDZJ]

It could be

I know that it's not. I am pretty sure Islam doesn't allow anyone to approach a stranger and question him about his wife in that manner. We don't care what Mediterranean men do. Pashtun men don't do it and since you brought your hind to a Pashtun forum then you better respect our environment.

[ScimitarXEdge]

[/CENTER]

2. I want her to be virgin. h

So you're saying divorced Muslim women are out of the question? know a lot of divorced Moroccan women, would you rather them go marry more Kafir Frenchmen as is common in France? Your brainwashed ignorance is setting your society up for a collapse ....wake up.

[Al Hanif]

So you're saying divorced Muslim women are out of the question? know a lot of divorced Moroccan women, would you rather them go marry more Kafir Frenchmen as is common in France? Your brainwashed ignorance is setting your society up for a collapse ....wake up.

i'm not as old as you to marry a divorced woman

frustrated ?