Brainwashed Afghans?

[khushal]

not lost our language yet..if after a certain time the tajiks and co lost thier language, identity and eventually embraced persian, then what makes you think the pashtuns wont eventually?

no one can predict the future, that is why it is important to create Pashto literature, and have a pashto national anthem, and have a pashto national language and have mandatory pashto curriculum in school. It is up to you and I to help in this cause for our kids and our furure generation.

[Shehbaz Khan]

I think I am brainwashed by Punjabistan what you say GOE

[graveyardofempires]

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i think you are a brainwashed afghan who thinks he is a paki now.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Oh and who brainwashed me? ISI/Punjab/Army or Jinnah?

[graveyardofempires]

^
**** em all

[Khalilullah]

It, time to stop worrying about what side of a line on a map someone was born on and realize that Puktoon comes before Pakistani or Afghan.

[Manzareh]

It, time to stop worrying about what side of a line on a map someone was born on and realize that Puktoon comes before Pakistani or Afghan.

Your first post on PF and clearly a HEADSHOT...you knwo what i mean if you play COD

[Admin Khan]

not lost our language yet..if after a certain time the tajiks and co lost thier language, identity and eventually embraced persian, then what makes you think the pashtuns wont eventually?

Manzareh,
I hope you are in good health.

The probability of Pashtuns of Afghanistan losing their language is far lower when compared to our brothers across the line. Pashtuns of Afghanistan have Pashto newspapers, Pashto TV channels(increasing rapidly), and Pashto websites. Nearly every Afghan related website has an option for a Pashto page. Now apply what I just said to Pashtunkhwa, where a government website is strictly only in Urdu or English. Aside from that, Take a look at the internet. Nearly every major Pashtun related website you find will be from Afghanistan. From Benawa, to Larawbar, AOP and the list goes on and on. Now, whether a site is from Afghanistan or Pakistan does not, and should never matter. A Pashtun related website, whether it's from Pakistan or Afghanistan is the same thing, as long as it's serving the interests of Pashtuns. As far as education is concerned, having Pashto as a national language, and a requirement in all schools in the south, and a requirement to have a government related job holds a lot of weight, and means a lot. When you have currency bills in Pashto, from a bank named 'Da Afghanistan Bank' that sort of clears up many misconceptions about the status of Pashto. Not to mention, singing the anthem in Pashto daily also plays a great psychological role. Imagine singing a Pashto anthem daily in Pashtunkhwa. In Pashtunkhwa, if they begin offering a Pashto anthem, they will realize that they are Pashtuns, and the language they speak is Pashto. Which will essentially mean that they would want to research their background and history. Unfortunately, since they are used to singing in Farsi every single morning, little think outside the box. If you begin brainwashing a kid at the age of 5, it's sort of hard to tell the man when he is all grown up about policies and 'stuff' that negate his original teachings. And that's exactly what we are witnessing today.


Afghanistan isn't perfect either right now. The present Panjsher dominated government doesn't represent Pashtuns. It's obvious that the Pashtuns have been marginalized in Afghanistan. As days pass, Pashtuns of Pakistan and Pashtuns of Afghanistan from the north are losing their language and culture, and they are working on illogical reasons to justify their loss. After all, Pashto is associated with jahalat, and we Pathans are associated with being chowkidaars. Sadly, and unfortunately, the picture isn't so gloomy in Afghanistan either. It is however, 100x better than Pakistan where Pashto serves as nothing more but a local language, despite it having 30-40million Pashtuns. Pashtuns from northern Afghanistan are resorting to Persian, while nearly every Pashtun of Pakistan is forced to speak in Urdu. If you ever visit Karachi, you will quickly realize what our status is. We are mad fun of and we are the primary source of entertainment in Pakistan, by non-Pashtuns. Nearly every Sms joke revolves around us. Even the local Keyla wala or Tamatar wala laughs at us when we attempt to speak Urdu. Even the local Peyaz wala at Panjsher laughs at us when we attempt to speak Farsi. The moral here is that we need unity. We have to realize that by attacking each other, we are serving the interests of our enemies. Let's put things in proportion for you real quick. I assume you are a Yusufzai? If you are a Yusufzai, you are probably either from Kabul or Kandahar to begin with. But unfortunately, most aren't taught this at all. If you think about it, it makes sense. Why would Pakistan want to educate you on your Afghan background? Why would Pakistan want to tell you that once upon a time, you left Kandahar to settle in Swat? Why would Pakistan want to tell you that you share the same blood with the Pashtun of Jalalabad?

What saddens me the most is when one automatically thinks Levanaye Zalmaye is from Afghanistan the minute he speaks out against the obvious state of Pashtuns in Pakistan. If it matters, he is born and raised in a metropolitan city of Pakistan.

[ComradePashtun]

Admin Khan,

Can you kindly elaborate on how Pashtuns in Afghanistan are marginalised? Lets leave the ANA aside, 40-45% soldiers are probably Pashtuns and so is its core elite leadership. I know middle ranks are only around 20-30% Pashtuns, but there are reasons for this.. which are Pashtuns' own making to larger extend.

You president is Pashtun,
Your foreign minister, minister of education, trade commerce and inustry, economy, tribal affaris and border, defence minister, religious affairs, your head national security and his deputy, director of NDS (secrete service), avaiation and couple of more.. deputy interior minister also Pashtun... go to Kabul and every where you will see Pashtuns in overwhleming numbers in every government and non-government organisation (not so much in police). You country's more than half of economy and trade is controlled by Pashtun.. So how are Pashtuns marginalised?

[Admin Khan]

Hi Comrade, I hope you are in good health.

Admin Khan,

Can you kindly elaborate on how Pashtuns in Afghanistan are marginalised? Lets leave the ANA aside, 40-45% soldiers are probably Pashtuns and so is its core elite leadership.

If you can prove to me that 40-45 percent of the Army is Pashtun, I take my words back. I have sources that beg to differ.

I know middle ranks are only around 20-30% Pashtuns, but there are reasons for this.. which are Pashtuns' own making to larger extend.

And the reason is obvious. They don't feel like they can trust a government full of corrupt war-lords. Afghans want a government that is pro-Afghan.

You president is Pashtun,
Your foreign minister, minister of education, trade commerce and inustry, economy, tribal affaris and border, defence minister, religious affairs, your head national security and his deputy.. deputy interior minister also Pashtun... go to Kabul and every will see Pashtuns in overwhleming numbers in every government and non-government organisation. You country's more than half of economy and trade is controlled by Pashtun? So how are Pashtuns marginalised?

ComradePashtun, I think you misunderstood me. I never said we don't have an appearance. It's obvious that the Pashtuns of Afghanistan, when compared to Pakistan, are 100x better in terms of representation. That however, is still not enough. If you wan't, we can dissect every aspect of your post.

Let's begin with education. Can you name one successful university in the south? Poor Kandahar University is struggling under this current adminstration. And when I said we are marginalized, there is no doubt in it. A massive province like Kandahar, which has one of the highest populations in Afghanistan, barely sent anybody to Universities because of the on-going war, and lack of support from the government. That my friend isn't inequality? And like I said, I'm not going to say we are the only ones who have suffered. All ethnic groups have suffered. But when it comes to suffering by degree, we have suffered the most on both sides of the line. Our status in Pakistan is no different, In fact, we are anpars the minutes we cross the line towards Sindh. Take a look at the war casualties in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Yes Punjabis, and Tajiks probably have died, but can you really compare their toll and loss to what we have Pashtuns have incurred? When a bomb blasts in Afghanistan, it's almost always in the South. Such events have made Pashtuns realize that they are not being properly represented, and they have recognized that they have been marginalized, which sort of explains as to why they are forced to join the Taliban. Just because nearly every important spot is filled with a Pashtun doesn't mean anything. If you read my posts carefully, I am sort of on the same page as you but I still demand improvement, because let's face it, we Pashtuns have suffered while our counterparts are raking in the Benjamins. I agree that every aspect of Afghanistan has historically revolved around Pashtuns, but have they really served the interests of the locals? Do you really think a spera Pashtun of chalo bawrey, Quetta, or a spera Pashtun from Arghandab trusts the Panjsher dominated ANA command structure? Let's be realistic, shall we? Pashtana beghairata nadey chi da warlordano sara business wakey, hagha khpal da watan dapara khidmat ghwarey che wakey. Ka da adey Pashtana dagha corrupt forces join key, no zmush ba sa pai sey?

Also, corrupt officials don't have an ethnicity, let's leave it at that. I think I've told you this before, I am even willing to support a Uzbek president, as along as he supports equal rights.

[Midnight_Sun]

I think counting the Pashtun leaders in Karzai's govt and comparing it to Pakistan is just ethnocentrist BS. I would vote for a Sikh if he had qualified people to help manage and restore Afghanistan. Our country is a freakin mess and the diaspora are still fighting over tribal affiliations, and how many turbans vs badakhshi hats are represented in parlaiment. I wish Afghan and Pak leaders would stop putting the cart in front of the donkey and eradicate all racism, ethnofascism and just work on creating a functioning government in their respective countries. When peace and prosperity are achieved, they can erase the damn Durand bilaterally with ease.

[Admin Khan]

I think counting the Pashtun leaders in Karzai's govt and comparing it to Pakistan is just ethnocentrist BS. I would vote for a Sikh if he had qualified people to help manage and restore Afghanistan. Our country is a freakin mess and the diaspora are still fighting over tribal affiliations, and how many turbans vs badakhshi hats are represented in parlaiment. I wish Afghan and Pak leaders would stop putting the cart in front of the donkey and eradicate all racism, ethnofascism and just work on creating a functioning government in their respective countries. When peace and prosperity are achieved, they can erase the damn Durand bilaterally with ease.

Unfortunately, a Sikh can't become a president under the current Afghan constitution. :-)

//Good post.

[ComradePashtun]

Admin,

I asked you in start that lets we leave ANA aside for now and yes go and dissect all other aspects of my post, that is what I would want you to, it will be educating for me.

Yes Kandahar university is in shambles. So is other things that Kandaharis can improve. If Khostis can can have state of the art university in their strategically isolated and economically deprived provice, why can't the Kandaharis? Gardez university is built on funds raised withing by Paktiawals, some donors helped it improve further at later stage. Why is Nangarhar university the best in the country, better than even Kabul? Why? Why is there a 10% cap imposed on greater Kandahar region Pashtuns in the army by your Pashtun Defence minister Mr Wardak? Why can't he trust us in Kandahar? Where there is criticism due it must be accepted, the ANA Panjsheri command structure does not run every day lives of Kandaharis. There is alot of fault that lies with us. The problem in the south is because of southerners themselves too, lets not absolve ourself from that.

When was the last time you went to Kabul? Do you call Pashtun presence in the government just appearance?

[ComradePashtun]

This is a silly excuse "they don't trust the government full of warlods". Well come and change the government how you want it to be, you come and be the role model. NO EXCUSE! It shows how politically savvy we are not. Once our people sit on their donkey then they don't come off it!

[Admin Khan]

Admin,

I asked you in start that lets we leave ANA aside for now and yes go and dissect all other aspects of my post, that is what I would want you to, it will be educating for me.

The Army is extremely important, not having representation in the armed forces certainly isn't a good thing. But sure.

Yes Kandahar university is in shambles. So is other things that Kandaharis can improve. If Khostis can can have state of the art university in their strategically isolated and economically deprived provice, why can't the Kandaharis?

Why don't we ask the government that? I am in no form or way an Afghan representative. And let's not only use Kandahar as an example, let's also include Helmand and nearby provinces in the Pashtun belt.

Gardez university is built on funds of Paktiawal, some donors helped it improve further at later stage. Why is Nangarhar university the best in the country, better than even Kabul?

Do you really think your people will succeed with just one university? The only way Afghans can succeed is by eradicating corruption. Let me let you in on a open-secret. The current Afghan government is entirely corrupted, and it's perhaps the worst we have ever seen. Do you really think England can function if it has a MS-13 gang leader as it's defence minister, and a 'Crip' gang-leader as it's prime-minister? I don't think so.

Why? Why is there a 10% cap imposed on greater Kandahar region Pashtuns in the army by your Pashtun Defence minister Mr Wardak? Why can't he trust us in Kandahar?

I hope he is reading this. I have no answer for that, but as you can see, a million plus people marginalized, and unable to join your armed forces.

Where there is criticism due it must be accepted, the ANA Panjsheri command structure does not run every day lives of Kandaharis. There is alot of fault that lies with us. The problem in the south is because of southerners themselves too, lets not absolve ourself from that.

Of course there is, and in order to fix it we have to start from the top. My initial point is and was that just because we have a Pashtun appearance doesn't mean Afghans/Pashtuns aren't marginalized and suffering. Like I said before, I'm even willing to support an Uzbek president as long as he supports equal rights.