Reality check,,on pashtuns of both side,PF under the influence isi and iranian agents

[graveyardofempires]

why are you advocating russian fears or thoughts ??? you should not find any justification for your anemy's intentions about you. and because of that invasion felt insecurity thats why pakistan started fueling the mujahideens.

were pakis also there when Afghanistan was in battle against the British empire?
oh no ,they were on the side of the british.

were pakistanis also on the side of Ahmad Shah Abdali or Marathas?
now answer this question.

[faye]

when i was in kandahar in 1977, afghan an afghan man told me how the british built the roads the americans built such and such, the russians built so and so. when the russians invaded i assumed that they wanted to beat the brits and the u.s. to it.

[emkhan]

why are you asking this question?
the answer to that question still doesnt explain anything and has no relevance with present day.
the answer is not as simple as you put it with your "because Afghans werent united". so if you have your answer figured out why do you want to ask me.

thats what i want you to understand. in simple words russia invaded afghanistan thats why pakistan felt insecurity and started preparating people for war against russia.

[khushal]

why are you advocating russian fears or thoughts ??? you should not find any justification for your anemy's intentions about you. and because of that invasion felt insecurity thats why pakistan started fueling the mujahideens.

Pakistan did not start fueling the majahadeen. The Americans planned the whole thing from the beginning. The Soviets did not want to invade Afghanistan, they knew it was too risky. The Americans tricked them into it. The Soviets thought it was riskier if American Military presence was there. So they took what they thought was the less riskier option.
Here is the interview with brezinski:


Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski
U.S. President Carter's National Security Adviser

By 'Le Nouvel Observateur' (France), Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76. Note: There are at least two editions of 'Le Nouvel Observateur.' With the exception of the U.S. Library of Congress, the version sent to the United States did not include the Brzezinski interview.
Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentlaism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Source: Killing Hope, by William Blum. Article translated from the French.

So you see it was a plan by major powers for their own interests and the Afghans suffered.

[emkhan]

were pakis also there when Afghanistan was in battle against the British empire?
oh no ,they were on the side of the british.

were pakistanis also on the side of Ahmad Shah Abdali or Marathas?
now answer this question.

yes in this point im with you that pakistani land lords and the elite class were supporting the british empire for their vested interests but the common people were against them. if you ask from me personally so let me tell you that we have defeated the british army and they never entered our whole district, we later on joined pakistan in 1969.

[graveyardofempires]

yes in this point im with you that pakistani land lords and the elite class were supporting the british empire for their vested interests but the common people were against them. if you ask from me personally so let me tell you that we have defeated the british army and they never entered our whole district, we later on joined pakistan in 1969.

im talking about pakistan not pukhtunkhwa.
my great grandfather actually fought agains the british in Pukhtunkhwa.
there is no need to argue since you have the wrong version of history and events.

[emkhan]

but my dear when you say Pakistan so but natural you are targeting pukhtunkhwa as well. for sure, you talk of some punjabis or sindis i have no objection because they are my enemy too but when you say pakistan then i must respond.

[faye]

so for these guys it is like playing chess, using thousands of innocent people as pawns. what planet are these mothers from, i wonder.???

[graveyardofempires]

but my dear when you say Pakistan so but natural you are targeting pukhtunkhwa as well. for sure, you talk of some punjabis or sindis i have no objection because they are my enemy too but when you say pakistan then i must respond.

doesnt make sense

[کیش]

Sorry if am late.

But what the hell is Pakistan? Theirs a land in the world that is "land of the clean" I would love to be a citizen of land of the clean. But, where is it?

[khushal]

Well they say that singapore is the cleanest city in the world, so maybe thats it

[faye]

yes, they sterilised it and put everyone in (what the locals call ) bird cages. high rise flats. they fly out to work in the morning and back in the evening.

[khushal]

so for these guys it is like playing chess, using thousands of innocent people as pawns. what planet are these mothers from, i wonder.???

They did these things in latin america. Where if a latin american country was leaning towards socialism, The CIA would drop locusts on the countries crops, destoying the crop, destabalizing the country and leaving them at the mercy of the capitalists. What did the capitalists do, install brutal dictators educated in America.

[khushal]

doesnt make sense

Name one thing he has said that made sense.

[faye]

and poisoned coca crops from the air, leaving toxic waste that got in to water supplies and the earth creating deformatries etc.