Reality check,,on pashtuns of both side,PF under the influence isi and iranian agents

[gadoonwal]

The tow groups here in PF attacking eachother in almost every thread.Both are anti-pashtun.

The iranian agents or parsi slaves :This group preach their so called ,,afghanyath(in reality they are anti-afghanyath and only defending their persanism under this name),,and they hate pashtu and pashtuns.If any member try to discuss the issue of pashtuns in afghanistan this group waste no time by calling them pakis etc.
The pashtun majority province Gazni now represented by hazaras and it is a fact but these pro-persain lovers will deny.
The pashtun represent only 30% in the new parlaiment but this group deny and make fool of pashtuns.
Many of the pashtuns living in the north of afghanistan were forced by persains to leave.In Takhar the pashtuns were forced out by Uzbiks and kept them like hostages(This can be confirm with benawa newspaper of afghanistan online).

The afghan media fully under persain or the so called farsi/dari influence.
The top leaders feel great shame speaking one word in pashtu.The ANA fully control by punjsheris and they are misleading the NATO and bombing innocents pashtuns.Pashtuns in Herat under threat from ismail khan and has forces and have no political voice.In reality afghanistan is farsiwan country,where farsi is must to servive.
The afghan-pashtuns are badly influenced by persain and iranian culture.
Like the pashtuns in pakistan mixing urdu and english into pashtu the afghan-pashtun feel great by using persain or the so called dari into pashtu.In the presence of one farsiwans hundereds pashtun will start in dari.
BUT The pro- or blind persain lovers of afghanistan will never accept the reality and will follow their iranian masters and their language and culture.
Towns and cities turning to persain language.It is national language and must be learn to improve.Pashtu is regional language for them.most of the educated pashtuns are half-breed and married to persains or the so called parsiwans.
But the half breed-pashtun of afghanistan will never accept the reality and will continue the destruction of pashtu.The persain lovers will never accept the reality here or anywhere.
The pro paki group of pashtuns(isi agents)/punjabi slaves=The punjabi army bombed swat,waziris,orakzais,momands etc but these blind followers of pakistan still back their punajbi army.Their schools,houses even the shrine of great sufi shair Rahman baba was bombed by paki isi but these blind followers deny the fact and support their punjabi master.
Their sources such as gas,power etc are not in their control.Making fun of pashtuns and their culture on PTV is common but these blind followers of pakistani establishment have no pashtu or gerat to at least condem it.
Their situation is no defferent then the african slaves.Every ethnic group in karachi targeting pashtuns.Pashtuns are easy target for them cus pashtun leaders are like dogs runing after their punjabi master for money.
Making fun of their own culture and language is common for them.They feel no shame mixing using non pashtu words like their fellow afghan-pashtuns
but the ISI lover will never accept the reality here or anywhere.


bya ham mong dozai walo,gati khabari kawoo .Nar aw batoor zwan haga wey chi khpalo kamzoro ta paam waki aw da zaan islah waki.
da elatona pa mong tolo ki dey.khabari da pakhtu kawoo aw karoona mu tol be-pakhtu dey.da somra bezaty aw spakawai da pokhtano washo cherta 5 pokhtano dadi perzad/khelap jalsa ya laryun kari day?
tar so chi mong khpali kamzori patawo makhki nasho tlai.

ajmal baba
chaa wai chi sa ala bala de wowai
maa wail chi kha rakhtia rakhtia mi wowai

[Shehbaz Khan]

[IamDZJ]

some opinions are better kept in one's pocket rather than expressed. being in pf is an opportunity and a privilege not our God given right. if you are not happy with the way it's being monitored then feel free to take a hike. what the hell?
there are sooo many people in here coming from sooo many different parts of the world. obviously you are not ever going to come across anyone who will sincerely agree with you on every point that there is out there. if you don't learn to respect them, they will not respect you. if you call them people who are influenced by the iranies, they will turn back and call you a punjabi. both ridiculous but what the hell.. that is something you have brought upon yourself so learn to live with that.

[gadoonwal]

some opinions are better kept in one's pocket rather than expressed. being in pf is an opportunity and a privilege not our God given right. if you are not happy with the way it's being monitored then feel free to take a hike. what the hell?
there are sooo many people in here coming from sooo many different parts of the world. obviously you are not ever going to come across anyone who will sincerely agree with you on every point that there is out there.if you don't learn to respect them, they will not respect you. just learn to live with that.

sorry ,i am not ,,munafeq,,,,
You disagree thats your opinoin.
I respect everyone but lets be brave and face the reality,why live with ,,munafeqat,,?
kor mu wadan

[graveyardofempires]

agree for the most part
pashto is stepped upon in Afghanistan and pakistan and we need to do something about it starting here.
i dont care about dari or urdu i think they are both alien languages which should not be imposed on pukhtane,otherwise they will be disadvantaged by learning a language and than trying to get an education in that different language.From a logical point this way pukhtane will become second class citizens.

[IamDZJ]

sorry ,i am not ,,munafeq,,,,
You disagree thats your opinoin.
I respect everyone but lets be brave and face the reality,why live with ,,munafeqat,,?
kor mu wadan

kor kho staso hum wadan wee kho khabara dasey da chi we are all munafeqs to each other unless we agree with each other which is something that i find impossible among afghans and pashtuns. we don't like agreeing with each other unless something is in our own favor.

[graveyardofempires]

this is ridiculous

[کیش]

My cousin is married to an Uzbeki women. And I was talking to their young daughters in Pashto. My aunt (their grandma) was happy. I asked how come no one is teaching them any Pashto, their toddlers, this is when they can learn easily. She said their mom (Uzbeki) doesn't like Pashto, and only wants them to learn Farsi.

[graveyardofempires]

My cousin is married to an Uzbeki women. And I was talking to their young daughters in Pashto. My aunt (their grandma) was happy. I asked how come no one is teaching them any Pashto, their toddlers, this is when they can learn easily. She said their mom (Uzbeki) doesn't like Pashto, and only wants them to learn Farsi.

this reminds me a story
where this Pukhtun guy who speaks farsi most of the tiem even with pukhtane(except he doesnt dare to speak farsi to us).
he once said "my kid only speaks dutch and cant speak dari" i was like shocked.the ignorance.

i must sya many pukhtane who marry other than pukhtane are actually pretty weak when it comes to pukhto.

[gadoonwal]

agree for the most part
pashto is stepped upon in Afghanistan and pakistan and we need to do something about it starting here.
i dont care about dari or urdu i think they are both alien languages which should not be imposed on pukhtane,otherwise they will be disadvantaged by learning a language and than trying to get an education in that different language.From a logical point this way pukhtane will become second class citizens.

yes,very true,we are 2nd class citizens.in fact in pakistan they are 3rd class .
I was teaching pashtu to a herati-farsiwan ,he was very nice guy and was very interested in pashtu language.In few months of time he was able to talk in basic pashtu .He learnt some pashtu in queta but lived there for short time.
I was shocked when he said to me that him lived in kandahar for 2 years but never learn pashtu there cus the locals talk to him in farsi.He farther said that when moved to queta there he has no choice but to learn pashtu cus the local speak to him in pashtu.Now who should we blame here?
pashtuns

[Nokia_Apridy]

Gadonwal wagora kna pera

Sanga defence ya wakru da Parsiwanu pa Takay Banday...

Gadonwal Salloooooooooot sta da Topic da para..

dlta khalku Khwand Wagestu da Gelam Jamu sra ya Waduna wakru

Mung la QASAM da cha PUNJABYAN hem rankray Gani Bawar waka

Dasey Kas data pa PF ka khyam chay da Calss pelow wa

dumra mena wa warsra laka chay sa oyam ...

khu haga khuna Punjabay wa....

Awo hagay Khuna warta oyal chay TATA nadarku chay ta PUKHTUN ya...


WAbkha da Pata Khbra wa khu da PUKHTU da para Har sa QURBAN

PUKHTU na qurbana wam

[emkhan]

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bya ham mong dozai walo,gati khabari kawoo .Nar aw batoor zwan haga wey chi khpalo kamzoro ta paam waki aw da zaan islah waki.
da elatona pa mong tolo ki dey.khabari da pakhtu kawoo aw karoona mu tol be-pakhtu dey.da somra bezaty aw spakawai da pokhtano washo cherta 5 pokhtano dadi perzad/khelap jalsa ya laryun kari day?
tar so chi mong khpali kamzori patawo makhki nasho tlai.

ajmal baba
chaa wai chi sa ala bala de wowai
maa wail chi kha rakhtia rakhtia mi wowai[/QUOTE]

i agree with my brother... Pashtuns have lost their majority in the afghan parliament. it is nothing but a total failure, ignorance and shame for us all.
but we should not just beat the drum again and again we must do something for that. lets decide here and do something for regaining our status in afghanistan. and one thing more i have seen here is that most the members speaks against the ISI and other agencies, dear if you consider them your enemies then they are your enemy. there is no need to put dirt on them. by doing that actually we are covering our own weaknesses and mistakes and they laugh on us. because actions speak not words.
let our enemy do his job and let us do our job and lets see who win at the end of the day. but if you sart again speaking against your enemy im sorry to say you will be the looser again.
so give your suggestions here and lets do something for our coming generations otherwise leave them under the rule of farsis and punjabis.

[Alchemist]

k

let me know when you've figured out what to do about that.

[emkhan]

k

let me know when you've figured out what to do about that.

when ???

[khushal]

What I have noticed among pashtuns in general is that we love to show off our knowlege of another language be it dari, urdu, english, or whatever. We take pride in knowing another language and not just knowing it but mastering it. When pashtuns use a dari(and urdu or english on the other side of durand) word, they feel sophisticated, educated, and proud as though they are better than the pashuns that have no knowledge of the foreign language.

The reason that farsibans are forced to learn pashto in Quetta and Peshawar is because the locals their dont know how to speak farsi and no educational system have been setup for the locals to learn it but the pashtuns will jump at the chance to speak urdu and it almost seems like a contest on who could speak the better urdu(or the better dari in afghanistan).
I have cousins that grew up and went to school in peshawar. Their urdu is better than their pashto and I have cousins that grew up in Kabul and their dari is better than their pashto just because the educational institution have been set up to make those results happen. These people feel that in oder to get ahead, they must learn dari, urdu or english, they dont see a future in pashto so why should they take the effort to learn it.

If one wants to trully see pashto advance, then invest in printing presses. If you bombard the population with literature, they will have no choice but to learn how to speak, read, and write pashto. Print literature in every subject possible, offer incentives to have people learn to read and write pashto(as soon as the US military put the incentive of a six figure salary, many pashtuns and non pashtuns, farsibans, iranians, pakis have been eager to learn to speak, read and write pashto). One must push the educational institutions to offer more courses in pashto and at the same time their must be more incentives for students to make the effort to learn to read and write pashto. Offer scholarships to students that want to get their bacholor and graduate degrees in pashto literature. Create television educational programs for children, create pashto software programs to educate children on the computer. I am sure their are many members here that have the IT expertise to create such products and you can make money in the process. Without literature in books, newspapers, magazines, and new technology products, the language is doomed to weaken and eventually die, and people in the future would be debating on furums like this when the point of no return was.

As far as the 30% pashtun parliament members are concerned. That was done by america to push the permenent bases agenda in parliament. What do you think, if the pashtuns were the majority do you beleive they would approve such a proposal. These plans were made in the white house before anyone knew when the elections were supposed to be held. The farsibans are not the decision makers in afghanistan, they are just puppets with the strings being pulled in the white house. Its just harder to pull those strings when attached to the pashtuns, so marginalizing them would be the best option.