Support shuttlecock burqa

[tor_khan]

Yayyyy, take a look at the one whose eyes are showing :D At least she's given the freedom to shw her eyes Often made-up with excessive, seductive make-up that make even ME (a female!) go crazy, let alone a man. ~swoons~

For you Q.

The eyes! The eyes!



Creative, mysterious, alluring and coy. All in one.

[Roshina]

For you Q.

The eyes! The eyes!



Creative, mysterious, alluring and coy. All in one.

OHH MYY!!! OHHHHH!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! This is the BEST gift I've EVER been given :D I'm IN LOVE!!! :D :D :D See, see, SEE, I TOLD YOU! :D

[IamDZJ]

i don't think it's necessary from an islamic point of view. i want to be recognized by the society as an individual and it's hard to do so when the person your speaking with has her face covered. i understand how much it bothers me when a person talks to me with their sunglasses on...i also understand the logic behind certain presidental decisions of banning it.

[IamDZJ]

^You have been brainwashed I think.
Both are beautiful both should be allowed. Its a freedom.

i like being "brainwashed". has any one ever mentioned the difference of opinions to you?

[Dinosaur Khan]

Pashtun males especially in peshawer are annoying enough to provoke burqa in women. Here women with revealed faces are contineously tortured from stares by hundreds of men in busy places like bazars. In saddar bazar there is a street with all shops for women clothes, but strangely it is unsually very crowded because in addition to females for shopping, you will find large crowd of hungry pashtun males gazing and analyzing the women there.

[*Mahzala*]

i don't think it's necessary from an islamic point of view. i want to be recognized by the society as an individual and it's hard to do so when the person your speaking with has her face covered. i understand how much it bothers me when a person talks to me with their sunglasses on...i also understand the logic behind certain presidental decisions of banning it.

I understand what you are trying to say. I have not ommited any part of your post, but am referring to the highlighted part in mine below.

Your Hijaab does just that. Allows people to see you as an individual, rather than judge you on your outer appearance such as your fitted skirt and tight jacket with beatiful thighs and a set of pointy stillito heeled shoes, or a trackie, a t-shirt and a backpack. With the Hijaab/Niqaab what you're saying is accept me for what I am, who I am and what I have to offer. Look at my potential and contributions (in whatever field you're in) rather than my appearance. Appearance doesn't define people, as they say don't judge a book by its cover. Yes, I agree we can never totally ignore the stereotypes deep-rooted in our thinking about certain codes and signs, but earth to us, appearance sould not be a barrier between or limit to anything.

[Master Khan]

Pashtun males especially in peshawer are annoying enough to provoke burqa in women. Here women with revealed faces are contineously tortured from stares by hundreds of men in busy places like bazars. In saddar bazar there is a street with all shops for women clothes, but strangely it is unsually very crowded because in addition to females for shopping, you will find large crowd of hungry pashtun males gazing and analyzing the women there.

And thats why they should wear a Burqa, to be protected from these hungary mens eyes.

[Master Khan]

Kabul has become just as bad. A moron stalked me for 3 days until he lost track of my routine.

Report him

[Roshina]

Your Hijaab does just that. Allows people to see you as an individual, rather than judge you on your outer appearance such as your fitted skirt and tight jacket with beatiful thighs and a set of pointy stillito heeled shoes, or a trackie, a t-shirt and a backpack.

There shouldn't be anything wrong being identified as the woman who wears a skirt, jeans, stilettos, etc. Just as there shouldn't be anything wrong with being identified as the woman who wears the colorful hijab. Just as not all women find the hijab insulting or "oppressive," not all women find showing their skin offensive or oppressive either.

In other words, you can get your identity AND respect without having to cover your hair. You see, one of the negative ways that the hijab can be seen is:

"People, the ONLY way men will respect me is if I wear the hijab, and so here I am." In other words, "I don't know how else to prove my worth to people, and the only way that I've been taught is by covering my hair."

I find that rather insulting, to be honest.

With the Hijaab/Niqaab what you're saying is accept me for what I am, who I am and what I have to offer.

With the hijab/niqab, you're ALSO saying: "I'm nothing but a dangerously sexy and naturally seductive being -- all because I was born a female -- and so the only way to make myself be seen as a NON-seductive individual is if I cover my hair/face."

I find that insulting as well. There's SO much more to a woman than just her body. And the niqab and hijab actually tend to objectify the woman at least as much as, if not more than, they "humanize" her by portraying her as a human rather than a mere sex object.

With the Hijaab/Niqaab what you're saying is accept me for what I am, who I am and what I have to offer.
Look at my potential and contributions (in whatever field you're in) rather than my appearance.

You can gain that exact same recognition by NOT wearing the hijab/niqab either, though, right?

Ultimately, the hijab and niqab SHOULD be a choice. All women should choose for themselves whether to wear either or neither. However, if innocent women are forced into believing that that's the ONLY way to protect themselves from the lust of men, then they're not wearing it by choice, as much as they may claim.

Appearance doesn't define people, as they say don't judge a book by its cover.

I completely agree that looks don't (rather, shouldn't) define people. However, we can use this same argument to point out that - if we can't judge a woman whose hair is covered - we can't judge a woman whose hair IS NOT covered either, then, right?

[Palwasha]

Salamuna Qrratu, hope you're well iA.

In other words, you can get your identity AND respect without having to cover your hair. You see, one of the negative ways that the hijab can be seen is:

"People, the ONLY way men will respect me is if I wear the hijab, and so here I am." In other words, "I don't know how else to prove my worth to people, and the only way that I've been taught is by covering my hair."

I find that rather insulting, to be honest.

Or not wearing it could mean ''I'm willing to give into conformity in order to suceed, as longer peices cloth stop me from achieving.....The only way I can prove myself is by putting my self/hair on display, because it makes me more of a woman.''

Now I find that insulting.

A woman isn't just defined by her hair or her beauty, which is what the hijaab establishes. Surely this should work alongside feminism.

When you cover yourself, if anything, people treat you with so much more respect than if you were putting yourself on show. You're taken much more seriously and not seen as just an object.

With the hijab/niqab, you're ALSO saying: "I'm nothing but a dangerously sexy and naturally seductive being -- all because I was born a female -- and so the only way to make myself be seen as a NON-seductive individual is if I cover my hair/face."

I find that insulting as well. There's SO much more to a woman than just her body. And the niqab and hijab actually tend to objectify the woman at least as much as, if not more than, they "humanize" her by portraying her as a human rather than a mere sex object.

Exactly! Which is what the Hijaab (niqaab/jilbaab etc.) helps to achieve, it prompts people to look past the outward appearance and directs them to the inward - the personality and brain of a woman.

Also, a woman isn't just covering herself to save her from the prying eyes of men, it's also to preserve herself for God and even her own husband. Muslim women are like jewels, not cheap, flashy and always on display, but they are safe-guarded and conserved with honour and respect. If she loves her God and her husband so much, why can't she cover up for them? That's not to say men can wear whatever they like, there's guidelines they must also follow.

Furthermore, look at rare diamonds, people aren't even allowed to touch them - you can switch Muslim women in that position, who are too valuable for *everyone* to get hold of. If you get my drift.

Wearing the hijaab is also like being a flag bearer for Islam, an interesting role Allah SWT bestowed on us - Muslim men, even with beards, can just blend in.

However, if innocent women are forced into believing that that's the ONLY way to protect themselves from the lust of men, then they're not wearing it by choice, as much as they may claim.

It may not be the only way, obviously, but it definitely reduces the chances and likelihood of being targetted.


A quick reply as I gotta get back to studying.

[*Mahzala*]

Khaney, I couldn't have said it better myself, really.

Qrratu, you did misunderstand a tad, but Khair, will leave it at that. Yawa khabera kawoma che har cha, ta ghonde de Islamiyaat faculta, (au bya hagha hum de Islam faylasufi) neda wayele, no bya khamakha, hagha nigah na che te khpel daleel worhande worhe, der kasaan pey zaan neshi pohawelay. You speak of complex issues, from different contexts, with a deep understanding. Remember what they call, the 'lay' audience ... Now I hope I havn't given you a big head ... surely something I can never achieve

[Roshina]

@ Khaney: You're very right that the hijab and niab could be seen that way. It's good to see that neither illustration of the hijab/niqab is imposed and that we're able to support our beliefs and not accept others just like that. I only want that we see how many different ways our dress code can be seen, and I don't want us to accept any unless and until we've understood more than what we are used to. That way, our ultimate decision was made upon serious contemplation and not just imitation of someone else's beliefs or understanding/interpretation.

Know what I mean, gulono?

BUT... just to comment on one point you made ... you said that it may obviously be the only way, but at least it reduces the woman's chances of being targeted.
I agree ... but here's my problem: By covering ourselves so much, are we REALLY helping solve the problem of those hungry beasts who are looking for women to rape? Or are we submitting to their beliefs and wishes and placing the burdens of morality and peace and stability in our society, which we share with our male counterparts as well? Are there any other solutions to the problems of hungry beasts, or is this the only one?

I feel as if we're taking the easy way out by telling the woman that she must cover if she wants to be safe in a society. Really, we're not doing a society any good if the only way a woman can be covered is by having her cover, be it her hair or her entire body. I say this because we're promoting the message to men that "any woman who isn't covered WANTS your attention; she WANTS to be raped/molested/teased; she WANTS you to approach her; she is SUPPOSED to be molested/raped if she is not covered from head to toe or her hair is showing."

You get my point, kana? Basically, I believe we're giving the wrong message to men by having the woman cover up so much.

Now I hope I havn't given you a big head ... surely something I can never achieve

LOL! Yeah, sorry about unnecessarily making small issues so complex! And, no, I've not achieved a level that would be unachievable by, of all the people in this world, you, Jaan! So, no, you haven't given me a big head; if anything, your (and other respected individuals and friends') respect and adoration only humble me more and more. I have no reason to consider myself more knowledgeable than anyone else, nor to carry a head "bigger" than anyone else, lol.

[khyaal]

which one of you have wear shuttlecock burqa? how was the experience?

If you have not enjoyed it then still support it because it is cultural identity thing of pashtuns.

We should turn deaf ear to westren wishes of disposing it.

It is not the cultural identity of Pashtuns. It is a imported thing from Turkey to india and later on to Pashtun land now in Pakistan.

[khyaal]

^wait so this came from Turkey not Arabs?

Yes the shuttle burqa is from Turkey and not arabs.

[*Mahzala*]

LOL! Yeah, sorry about unnecessarily making small issues so complex! And, no, I've not achieved a level that would be unachievable by, of all the people in this world, you, Jaan! So, no, you haven't given me a big head; if anything, your (and other respected individuals and friends') respect and adoration only humble me more and more. I have no reason to consider myself more knowledgeable than anyone else, nor to carry a head "bigger" than anyone else, lol.

Not unnecessary at all my dear. Misunderstandings need clarifications and we all learn from them, absolutely nothing wrong in that. Seeing things in a different light is a unique characteristic. Critical thinking and analysing - not many are capable of and do not have that capacity to do so. Everyone's intellectual capacity is different, as is their level of knowledge, thus understanding the stance you hold is a challenge for most (including myself, well of course, my hat would be in the air if I could even reach your shoes).

On the back of that, I still laughed. Nice one!