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[Roshina]

i really couldn't stop laughing... LOLLLL... its like a line i would expect from any average non-muslim american... considering how many arabs are in the news and all have these biggggg long arabic names... he/she thought amr bil maroof..... is that guy's name!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!. and to him/her he seems to have the "right idea!"....

it was a very surprising post from a self proclaimed pro-taliban, pro wahabism, extremist!

Don't you think that's a very rude thing to say/do, Feroza guley? Mocking people in public?

I find it so ironic that so many of us scream "Islam is this, Islam is that -- Islam is justice, Islam is peace, Islam is equality," etc., yet when it comes to putting those ideals in practice, hardly one or two amongst us live up to them.

In Islam, you don't mock people, especially in public. Not all Muslims speak or know Arabic, and just because we're raised with the Quran in Arabic in our house (though we almost never actually follow it in reality; it's just resting on the top-most shelf in every room or so, wrapped in a very beautiful cover designed by a very pious individual), doesn't mean all other Muslims are raised the same way.

And I thought we all knew that Catya is neither a Pukhtun nor a Muslim. Or at least, she wasn't a Muslim in the last post I read of hers. From what I understand, she is for Christians what Sangar is for Muslims: Both are extremist conservative / fundamentalist warriors of faith, though likely of different ones. It's possible, however, that she's leaning towards Sangar's brand of Islam, which means she's in the process of converting, if she hasn't already converted... and which means that she might not know the same Arabic terms, if any at all, that you and I might know. So let her learn. And let her be entertained by Sangar's crassness.

Please avoid mocking others, even if you disagree with them strongly and even if they've angered the hell out of you in certain posts.

Peace.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Oh you simpletons. It is your Taliban/Salafis who have brought the ISAF into Afghanistan with your limited scope.

thats what I call comedy. A man who believes that a Punjabi army servant of the British colonial regime to be a new prophet telling others that their religious denomination is responsible for invasion of Afghanistan.

Qadiani is finally having a field day. Nobody is here to put you back in your place.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Catya,

amr bil maroof wa nahi bil munkar means promotion of virtue and prevention of vice. It is one of the religious obligations of Muslims. As muslims we are suppose to prevent vice and promote virtue in every aspect of our lives.

Of course this is bound by rules and conditions. But this is a subject we can talk about elsewhere.

[Catya Sher]

Thanks, SK - appreciate it, yes, I am looking forward to hearing more detail.
It's A REALLY IMPORTANT SUBJECT.

Here's what i had written before I saw that:

Yeah this has turned into a soap opera - so much for those who grew up watching TV all the time...!

Unknown already very kindly replied about the Arabic expression.
If he didn't recognize it with a Salafi roommate in the past, how would I know living in a tiny town in America with no Muslims here. I'm not an Arab. But i support the idea of promoting Virtue in every respect.

Roshina don't pretend to decipher my religious affiliations.
Though I appreciate you held back the Ferocious Feroza (!) from further wild and crazy assertions.

As for the Taliban, listen, please.

When most of you girls were barely out of diapers, no offense, I was - yes a real journalist - on battlefields under Soviet attack with Jelaluddin Haqqani, at his precise invitation. I didn't just arrive there out of nowhere.
If I passed his close questioning on various topics to be re-invited to further battles where he was commanding the mujahideen, maybe, just maybe I was considered all right by him, a huge hero of the resistance against the Soviets. Completely forgotten today, in total ingratitude, by the West ever since.

I have lots of articles and interesting stories, but the sad thing is, some of you girls are more interested in what clothes and purses you bought recently.

So please don't so superciliously sermonize about my framework of reference.

I can see that Waw has no practical knowledge of what agents are like. They never give out any personal views or predilections. They just listen and ask others ...sound familiar?
They take extreme care to veil any of their personal views in order to deceive others into spilling info. Read any post of mine, and it's marked by creative thought, diverging from the crowd, in every realm.

If I were an agent, don't ya think they woulda trained me better in key Arabic terms at Langley?!

In fact, I did study and try to learn Arabic, but out of my OWN initiative from a workbook...! I didn't get much past the alphabet, unfortunately.

I hate to burst the narcissistic bubble, but the CIA is NOT interested in this website. Much less would they waste thousands of dollars posting an American here. Faintly possibly an Afghan-American, but - duh! -
not an American who doesn't speak Pashto past guerrilla warfare language. For, I can tell you terms for various weapons in the Soviet arsenal turned back against them by the Afghan guerrilla fighters.

I can also sit on my heels like a Pashtun tribesman and get up without using my hands.

Can you do that, Roshina? Any of the girl attackers here?!!!
I'm a real veteran of perhaps the best era in modern Afghan history.

It's a pity that only one sharp person on this site has asked me to explain more about the Soviet war. One can guess who that might be.

The rest you sound too Americanized or Westernized to care about anything but your immediate career/academic problems.
I might as well be on a Forum with plain old Americans, I feel sometimes.

No one but Unknown and Sk that I have seen so far talk about going to back to the region to help out, Inshallah.

The rest mostly sound like the typical American with all the same neuroses.
I am trying to wake up people not to follow this path which leads to unpleasant ends, such as autistic offspring in future generations, dementia, etc.

[See articles posted by din for some illumination. The growing and high incidence of these maladies in America is perhaps due to Secularism and the condoning of evil practices here - yes, VICE! Which should be PREVENTED.]

[شمله ور خراساني]

Promotion of virtue and prevention of vice is not specific to salafis. The only people who disregard this religious duty are secularists, shi'ites and sufis. Because they believe in promotion of vice and prevention of virtue.

[IamDZJ]

Thanks, SK - appreciate it, yes, I am looking forward to hearing more detail.
It's A REALLY IMPORTANT SUBJECT.

Here's what i had written before I saw that:

Yeah this has turned into a soap opera - so much for those who grew up watching TV all the time...!

Unknown already very kindly replied about the Arabic expression.
If he didn't recognize it with a Salafi roommate in the past, how would I know living in a tiny town in America with no Muslims here. I'm not an Arab. But i support the idea of promoting Virtue in every respect.

Roshina don't pretend to decipher my religious affiliations.
Though I appreciate you held back the Ferocious Feroza (!) from further wild and crazy assertions.

As for the Taliban, listen, please.

When most of you girls were barely out of diapers, no offense, I was - yes a real journalist - on battlefields under Soviet attack with Jelaluddin Haqqani, at his precise invitation. I didn't just arrive there out of nowhere.
If I passed his close questioning on various topics to be re-invited to further battles where he was commanding the mujahideen, maybe, just maybe I was considered all right by him, a huge hero of the resistance against the Soviets. Completely forgotten today, in total ingratitude, by the West ever since.

I have lots of articles and interesting stories, but the sad thing is, some of you girls are more interested in what clothes and purses you bought recently.

So please don't so superciliously sermonize about my framework of reference.

I can see that Waw has no practical knowledge of what agents are like. They never give out any personal views or predilections. They just listen and ask others ...sound familiar?
They take extreme care to veil any of their personal views in order to deceive others into spilling info. Read any post of mine, and it's marked by creative thought, diverging from the crowd, in every realm.

If I were an agent, don't ya think they woulda trained me better in key Arabic terms at Langley?!

In fact, I did study and try to learn Arabic, but out of my OWN initiative from a workbook...! I didn't get much past the alphabet, unfortunately.

I hate to burst the narcissistic bubble, but the CIA is NOT interested in this website. Much less would they waste thousands of dollars posting an American here. Faintly possibly an Afghan-American, but - duh! -
not an American who doesn't speak Pashto past guerrilla warfare language. For, I can tell you terms for various weapons in the Soviet arsenal turned back against them by the Afghan guerrilla fighters.

I can also sit on my heels like a Pashtun tribesman and get up without using my hands.

Can you do that, Roshina? Any of the girl attackers here?!!!
I'm a real veteran of perhaps the best era in modern Afghan history.

It's a pity that only one sharp person on this site has asked me to explain more about the Soviet war. One can guess who that might be.

The rest you sound too Americanized or Westernized to care about anything but your immediate career/academic problems.
I might as well be on a Forum with plain old Americans, I feel sometimes.

No one but Unknown and Sk that I have seen so far talk about going to back to the region to help out, Inshallah.

The rest mostly sound like the typical American with all the same neuroses.
I am trying to wake up people not to follow this path which leads to unpleasant ends, such as autistic offspring in future generations, dementia, etc.

[See articles posted by din for some illumination. The growing and high incidence of these maladies in America is perhaps due to Secularism and the condoning of evil practices here - yes, VICE! Which should be PREVENTED.]

You probably didnt have to mention our diapers. A point that needs the asisstance of someones diapers in order to be made is a point NOT worth making.

[Catya Sher]

That was the exact word that came to my mind, so maybe it was aimed at someone besides you !
Aren't you a writer or a poet?
Then you must trust when you hear something or feel inspiration from Above that that word is precisely meant. Not another. Because who knows for whom that expression or word was intended?
There are 700-800 people, or more, reading these days at any given moment. Maybe one of them needed to hear that for any other reason too.
This is what writing should be: inspiration from higher sources.

Besides, you are merely diverting from the fact that you guys were not out of your own interest to free Afghanistan from the Soviet Yoke, marching through mountain passes with hardy fighters to try to understand firsthand their plight. Then to communicate that to a jaded American audience and wake them up so they would help push out the Red Army and all its friendly support teams....

That's what I was doing when I was about the age of most of you.
No one paid me, I did this with my own savings.
All my friends laughed at me, never having HEARD of Afghanistan, much less the Soviet invasion and brutal occupation.

Not many people in America make this sort of choice. I had never met any Afghans, either, so I had no vested interest whatsoever. I felt it was what God wanted me to do, and without question I dashed off to Pakistan.

I never hung out with Westerners at all, but spent time to learn the truth from Afghans directly. Most journalists live in a tiny world of heavy drinking and socializing with each other. Not me.

I wasn't even a journalist, nor did I have training for that. I just obeyed God's call and went. And everything worked out beautifully so that my articles were published in the RIGHT outlets. Not those I disapprove of.

This is in further answer to the challenge posed by Roshina.

Before you and she snipe away at me or anyone else, let's hear what you have accomplished so far in your life?

If anyone has more questions I am happy to answer.
Journalists, by the way, are usually OPEN people. They LIKE to talk.
They have a certain extraversion, or they would not be interviewing people as their job.

Spies, on the other hand, are like sphinxes. Inscrutable; closed about speaking about much of anything.

[Feroza_Banu]

Don't you think that's a very rude thing to say/do, Feroza guley? Mocking people in public?

I find it so ironic that so many of us scream "Islam is this, Islam is that -- Islam is justice, Islam is peace, Islam is equality," etc., yet when it comes to putting those ideals in practice, hardly one or two amongst us live up to them.

In Islam, you don't mock people, especially in public. Not all Muslims speak or know Arabic, and just because we're raised with the Quran in Arabic in our house (though we almost never actually follow it in reality; it's just resting on the top-most shelf in every room or so, wrapped in a very beautiful cover designed by a very pious individual), doesn't mean all other Muslims are raised the same way.

And I thought we all knew that Catya is neither a Pukhtun nor a Muslim. Or at least, she wasn't a Muslim in the last post I read of hers. From what I understand, she is for Christians what Sangar is for Muslims: Both are extremist conservative / fundamentalist warriors of faith, though likely of different ones. It's possible, however, that she's leaning towards Sangar's brand of Islam, which means she's in the process of converting, if she hasn't already converted... and which means that she might not know the same Arabic terms, if any at all, that you and I might know. So let her learn. And let her be entertained by Sangar's crassness.

Please avoid mocking others, even if you disagree with them strongly and even if they've angered the hell out of you in certain posts.

Peace.

I don't like the "i know it all" type of people, when they don't know crap!. she/he is being mocked because he/she makes herself/himself look like someone who has been blessed with knowledge of the entire universe and she addresses others as if they came from a cave (i can find you many of her posts) i don't mock humble people, i mock those who mock others. some people need to have a taste of their own medicine.

and no her post really didn't make me angry... it just made my day! here we have someone who backs everything a salafi says without proper knowledge of Islam or its madhabs... i find it extremely humerous.

if someone doesn't know anything about something, they just need to shut up! or listen or research about it.

anyways, this isn't something worth discussing... i did what i did and quite frankly i don't regret it at all! .

and she hardly looks like a student learning!... it looks like she is here to teach other muslims how to be a muslim... without proper knowledge of Islam and its madhaheb, from her posts it looks like she is here to teach us about the proper Islam (salafims). she hardly looks like a student to me!

[Catya Sher]

Yawn, yawn...

girls stuck in the doll stage who have never ventured beyond the boundaries of the state of California should not be lecturing those who have spent years exploring other countries, including Muslim ones and many besides.

[Roshina]

^ You know, Catya, I can't tell from your posts and the way you address others, especially those who disagree with you or criticize you, that you've lived anywhere outside of a four-walled house. Means to say, you're beyond immature for someone who has supposedly lived in many countries outside of the U.S. If I had to guess your age, I would guess nothing above 15.

I mean, "yawn yawn"? Wow, how mature is that.

[Catya Sher]

So who was it that recommended this Hindu guru, "Mother Amma" when I first arrived here?

Amma.org

People can take a look for themselves
I already knew from long ago that your heroine was a fraud.
But I was too polite to hurt your feelings.
So I did not reply.

Kindly refrain from bossing others. You seem to indulge in this as a sport !

Why not go hug Mother Amma instead if you are needing attention or a dose of her supposed "unconditional love" ?

[Toramana]

Catya, you said you are a Turk and Muslim but here in this thread I find something else...It was the first time i read this thread...

[Fahd]

all of u !! stooooooooooooooooop it's eid and alhajj month and u still fighting ??
i was yday with alot of Government men in afg (i was with ma friends who work with them LOL and he said this s ma cousin LOL )
they were happy relly happy and they didn't talk about politics or islam
i don't know whats ur ppl prob when those don't think like that in this holly days and u just fight and fight !!
humm i didn't know any one but ma friends was telling me about they names and i just remember 2 of them i will ask him again LOL
Mohammad Yousuf NIAZI - Minister of Hajj and Islamic Affairs he was relly good man i will talk about him (what i saw and know lol )
Hazrat Ali bigest murder who kill alot of taliban and arabs and rap they women in tora bora
dame this man was relly bad and when ma friend tell me about him i was look at him when he was walk to Ablution ma friend told me stop don't look at him LOL
if he want to kill here he can LOL
(because ma friend was stareing at him first and that make azrat ali scare from him if he from aqaa'eda or something like that hahaha mybe LOL )
and i meet someone who work with karazia and he still young man he was the only one who lough and talk alot with us LOL i will ask his name .
ok those ppl don't care about any thing in this holly days (mybe they care and make dua all the time but u fighting ?? why u don't let this time go in something better than fighting ??

dame i wish if i could take pic in the alhajj but i didn't because i was tierd LOL
humm i should ask azrat ali why did u do this bad things LOL but ma friend was scare of him and make me feel lil bit scare

and all of us muslims

[JAMALUDEEN]

This thread is our own little fight club.
hehe

[شمله ور خراساني]

come on people. Dont argue its akhtar. Lets give secularists a brake.