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[Fahd]

sangar wrorah
i don't know about the story btw u and tor khan
but like i said i love ur post's and i know sometimes u can't stop ur anger and that's what make ppl saying bad things to u
if u want to close all doors on who would say bad about u , u should relax and lough when u saw something make u angry
(i should speak for ma self :P LOL )
i hope evry things gona be okey btw u and tor khan and other inshallah
and we still family

[Catya Sher]

Fahd, it's not that he speaks angrily.
It's that he is the only person almost who can fight back against secularists, and he uses words strongly - and effectively, many times.
So they don't know what to say, and THEY react in anger.

He's made a good rebuttal in MY opinion. Maybe only two or three people may agree, but the fact is, it WAS weird the way Tor_Khan wrote immediately about that subject, when he could have said anything about Amsterdam.

There was a communication problem by Tor_Khan, for he in any event did not express his ideas clearly - I was confused myself what he was getting at.
I assumed he was just tired as often people are after travels, and did not articulate quite correctly.

SK seized on that rather strange paragraph to make a general statement about how leftists and extreme secularists are prone to living questionable lives in many departments. We ALL know this is true: I have witnessed this phenomenon all over the Middle East and elsewhere.

Religious people aren't ALWAYS upright either. Sometimes, like evangelicals in America, the 'pastor' may be living a terribly dissolute life. This CAN be also because they are not true believers, nor is their religion even right to start with.

The fact remains, a person following their religion is USUALLY, on average, going to be much more dependable, more of a family person than someone lacking religious belief.

I too was disappointed with Aseer Jan's comment because it was an attempt to pin blame on this brouhaha - which really was way exaggerated in importance for a falling away from the faith. That was well refuted above by Sk.

So Fahd, the problem is that the forces on this website which are anti-Islam, broadly speaking, or lukewarm about Islam, are the ones that get their tempers launched.

Sk has said this same theme probably many times.
They just want to marginalize him by getting everyone to join in and agree he's bad.

This happened to me on my last website because I stood up for Islam and the many insults rained down on it.
Not one person came forward to support me.
Instead they banded together and taunted. I see the same pattern crystallizing here.
I'm trying to stop it from accelerating into ostracization, then exclusion.

There's too much peer pressure sometimes in these internet forums, which catches on like wildfire because it plays on the emotions of vulnerable people.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

^If you don't like this website, then get out. NOW.

This website is not anti-Islam. In fact, this website allows for all to have a forum.

People like Sangar, Dreamer, akbarkhan, Khan, and a few other people who are missing some nuts and bolts have tried to hijack this website into making it a Muslim-only forum, or ostracizing others who don't conform to their beliefs.

Most people here do not have a problem discussing any subject, it is people like the above who render life miserable and forces unIslamic forces on the above thinkers. There are many other people here who are at peace with secularists, nationalist and so on and so forth.

Just because some Salafi saved your life does not mean that you should now nullify the rest of the human race. There have been many Atheists who have saved people. Let us now declare that God does not exist.

[Fahd]

thanx catya khoreh and it's relly not good how ppl change
i heard that in Communist rule in afghanistan there was in 1 family ppl with the Communist rule and other with mugahedeen

^If you don't like this website, then get out. NOW.

This website is not anti-Islam. In fact, this website allows for all to have a forum.

People like Sangar, Dreamer, akbarkhan, Khan, and a few other people who are missing some nuts and bolts have tried to hijack this website into making it a Muslim-only forum, or ostracizing others who don't conform to their beliefs.

Most people here do not have a problem discussing any subject, it is people like the above who render life miserable and forces unIslamic forces on the above thinkers. There are many other people here who are at peace with secularists, nationalist and so on and so forth.

Just because some Salafi saved your life does not mean that you should now nullify the rest of the human race. There have been many Atheists who have saved people. Let us now declare that God does not exist.

when we talk about pashtun
we talk about bravest and islam
pashtun was never ahmadi (im still shocked about that u r ahmadi )
please be respectable with ma sis catya
u should know u talking to women not man !!!

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

^Shame on you.

[Fahd]

^Shame on you.

another shock !

[Fahd]

Wow, I did not want to get involved in these threads, but here goes who^^^ do you think you are to tell someone not to feel the way he feels. Fahd feels that you are being disrespectful to Catya Sher, as do I. What is wrong about that? Do you mean such behavior should be accepted? To talk to a woman in such a manner speaks a lot about you. Is this how you treat a woman?. Is this how you have been raised?

I have been treated with disregard by some on this forum, some have been women, but I never retaliated to them. Catya Sher didn't even say anything to you Meem, so it is wise for you not to interfere.

Again, this is complete nonsense coming from you, but I now understand why you and others tout secular views. It is very obvious why a person on this forum would be secular. Dumb as they are, they do not realize that one can figure a lot out about them( their religious and political inclination is the biggest giveaway that they keep trying to conceal by posting something that they previously disagreed with). For example, suddenly showing a good attitude to people in Afghanistan, and days ago calling the same group ISI-proxies- LOL LOL

Get a grip on yourselves.


This thread was for Sangar to announce that he will be busy, but that he will still come back here to put you secularists in place. Don't take advantage of him not being able to respond just yet.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

unknownprince, what is sad is that Sangar who always talks disrespectfully to everyone, including sisters, no one from among his "clique" tells him that he is wrong. Or that he should speak to them in a respectful manner. Yet, Fahd has the audacity to tell me that while attacking my beliefs at the same time. What does my beliefs have to do with that? What type logic is that?

If Fahd really does have shame and honour, and if he is really a "Muslim" and a "Pashtun" then he should have the courage to tell Sangar how to talk to a sister or anyone else. Would he ever do that? Of course not. He has no shame.

I said shame be on him because he is so biased and does not know how to be just.

I did not disrespect Catya, I gave her a tit for tat based on her own statements. There is nothing disrespectful in my post to her. Whatsoever.

[Fahd]

unknownprince, what is sad is that Sangar who always talks disrespectfully to everyone, including sisters, no one from among his "clique" tells him that he is wrong. Or that he should speak to them in a respectful manner. Yet, Fahd has the audacity to tell me that while attacking my beliefs at the same time. What does my beliefs have to do with that? What type logic is that?

If Fahd really does have shame and honour, and if he is really a "Muslim" and a "Pashtun" then he should have the courage to tell Sangar how to talk to a sister or anyone else. Would he ever do that? Of course not. He has no shame.

I said shame be on him because he is so biased and does not know how to be just.

I did not disrespect Catya, I gave her a tit for tat based on her own statements. There is nothing disrespectful in my post to her. Whatsoever.

i alway's love to respect any one
shame will always be afride to be near from me
but u relly shocked me after what u said about me just
off

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Reflect upon what I wrote.

[Catya Sher]

There are so many points to refute here.
Let's start with this claim which M.Waw clearly considers airtight. Namely that Sk insults sisters on the Forum.

No!
I remember when LZ said something derogatory about DZJ.

[All these initials could be dizzying to an outsider reading here...
Ilarion Vasilevich, I hope you are at your namesday celebration and hence away from your desk! Headaches await when you return to cut through all this nonsense...hope you attended Church this morning, by the way. All good SVR agents do, these days.
Gerasim Varsonufyevich, could you rein in some of your charges, these Pashtun pseudo-Communists and other leftists here ? Thanks, we will be most grateful. How's the weather in Moskva? ]

Back to this, so SK jumped in ON HER BEHALF. He said it's a sin to backbite Sister DZJ.

So you are frankly WRONG.

Look at all the garbage Jasmine has hurled at him? Did he call HER names? No. Did he shout at Jasmine? No.

Re Aseer Jan,
stop the supercilious talk to me.
Jasmine NEVER EVER gives "a beautiful reply" to me or anyone.
She gives monosyllabic [do you know what word means/?!] answers or vapid phrases, neither of which add to a discussion. "Yes, it's always like that" " They do this type of thing".

Then after the problem I had with her, she rushes over to Religion and starts posting every day to appear to observers as a fervent Muslim. Who is her audience anyway, I may ask, members ? Or outside readers? She gets rather dictatorial in posing questions to others while refusing to answer even one about herself. I know, I tried when I first arrived here.
As Fahd shrewdly asked her way back when she kind of pushed him around on the First Wardak thread, "Am I under investigation?". She wouldn't answer his question and just fired away at him, poor guy. You can see his confusion when you look bac [mispelled on purpose after a special and holy street in Paris].

I feel like that too. She attacks other people, asks LOTS of questions, yet never divulges anything about herself. Either she's the Special Adviser to Hillary Clinton for Afghanistan and has to keep mum, OR she is a characterless person with no color in her personality. I don't trust her at all.
I'm stating this openly.
So why would I care to read what she wrote?
If she had made CONSISTENTLY THOUGHTFUL, IMPRESSIVE contributions, for example, like the former member, Zarawar, or Maiwand or Unknown, I would read every word with attention.

I get tired of seeing her bland comments which seem little more than fillers. I learned to skip her posts as I am always disappointed that someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about Afghanistan barely has anything to say of value to me.

In THIS case, as far as I know, I did already reply to her so-called "beautiful reply".

If other people like her words, fine, no problem.

However, I feel it's better to be honest because a lot of people may be thinking the same thing but not wish to say so. If they are NOT thinking the same thing, I feel they show little discernment ability.

Discernment is the most important characteristic one can develop as it shows you who is good and who is not so good.
It's wise to pray to Allah to cultivate THIS quality.

If there were more than a miniscule number of sharp, discerning individuals on Pashtun Forums, the level of conversation would so much more elevated.

Finally, thanks to Unknown and Fahd for coming to my rescue - the few true Pashtun types I have met on here! May spiritual gold rain down on you guys!

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Learn the difference between "insult" and "disrespect." I never said "insult."

Moreover, how dare judge Jasmine intentions? Are you God all of a sudden?

I will be expecting another long post, this time make sure you address the right issues.

[Laila]

Okay, can we please stop this now.

Everyone, lets please squash this

[Wrayun]

Anyone with common sense can clearly see that Tor Khan was accused of something that wasn't warranted from his initial post, and he is again being insulted. I fail to see how any educated and well versed individual can't make the obvious.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

^It is really depressing that Sangar is being backed up at the expense of religion and "the enemy of my friend is my enemy."

Clearly.

And people wonder why Islam is synonymous with hatred, terrorism, intolerance, anti-this and anti-that.

Good going, Fahd, Catya Sher, unknownprince and ....

One word of advice to the above few geniuses: your friends would not be of help to you in front of Allah.