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[Manzareh]

Atheism can be morally wrong. okay.
Islam is also morally wrong.

On the other hand,
Secularism/Atheism doesn't pushes itself as perfect unlike Islam.
It admits it can always improve its law & system.

Secular Societies through time try improve their ways; equality, justice, morality etc...
That's why they are more inclusive. Stopping the persecution of gays is one example.

Islam doesn't. It is stuck to the morality of the 7th century.
I don't see you being forced to pay an extra tax because your are a Muslim.
The Islamic doctrine are a cause of immorality.
Stoning adulterers, persecuting gay people, forcing segregation of the sexes & punishing those who disobey.


Your life isn't really any different. You just have a skewed view of reality.
What do you do that's special? Prostrate 5 times a day & follow a diet...?
Does that make you more Moral?

Remember you take your morality from a book written by desert dwellers.
Your morality isn't morality, it's actually just a set of rules from God.
You don't commit an act because its immoral but because God disallows it.
Do you give charity to help people or simply because God told you?

I do have morals. You don't. You have orders from God. The only reason you follow them is because you fear hell.


While, secular society develops morality through reason.
Secular reason has more morality than Islam.

No "Conscious" ? You think I am typing this from a coma?

lol the devil

Do you not enjoy living in the USA or Europe?
I rather live there than in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan etc...

Most of USA and Europe are Christian countries, last i checked Christianity was a Religion. I enjoy living wherever I am, I make every place home, I don't need to kiss ass and shape shift like you show my face in public. Personally no i wouldn't live in Saudi Arabia or Iran, funny how you didn't mention Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Morrocco, Tunisia, Dubai amongst many others i would rather live in.

Secular society's through time improve their ways? Really? I would argue they are getting worse, do you know how much secular countries spend on war and how many countries USA has invaded, how many people it's killed, how much of the planet it has destroyed, the crime and murder statistics are sky high compared to countries like Saudi. You lack any form of critical thinking.

Tax was introduced to protect the people, give them extra security and welfare in the state, unlike the non-Muslims in the same ere that just butchered everyone and ethnic cleansed anyone that didn't follow their way of life.

Desert dwellers? You sound the same as a red neck racist, where were your ancestors 1400 years ago? Most likely in a mud hut. Man people like you would sell their own mothers to be Caucasian, you damn wannabe.

[Manzareh]

my ezidi thread was also deleted

F your page and your thread, you are not a Pashtun so don't come here causing trouble. Mind your own business.

[Tamim]

What I find incredibly laughable is the double standards of Muslims.

When Muslims say that non-Muslims lack manners it's only because they can't handle someone not parroting what their beliefs are: they rather be circle-jerked, then to learn something. Sure, non-Muslims will disagree with Muslims and present their case, but that is not tantamount to lacking manners. If it hurts Muslims to hear someone deconstruct their beliefs, fine, but what is the real problem? Why do I ask this? When Muslims defend Islam they spare no one and nothing; they leave no stone unturned until they are able to defend Islam. They will pull information from anywhere just to justify a Quranic verse. Heck, when Muslims are disagreeing with each other, they use the Quran against each other. It makes one only wonder about their book, either they have misunderstood their own book, or that their book is no longer applicable in our times.

When someone presents arguments against Islam obviously it will hurt. Let that be a lesson to you Muslims, that when you are on a mercenary mission to pillage everything non-Muslim, the same pain is felt by others when you desecrate their beliefs and their venerated persons and God.

And, don't give me this bullcrap that BECAUSE Islam is right, Allah exists, and Muhammad is the LAST and TRUE messenger, therefore Muslims have the right to take all and any necessary means to defend their honour.

Muslims will congregate against a common enemy and then kill each other when the common enemy is gone. Isn't this a political tactic? So, what sets Islam and Muslims apart? You are following the same old tricks of non-Muslims. What is ironic is the fact that you take pride in killing a Muslim based on the same reasoning you kill a non-Muslim. The only difference is that when you were killing a non-Muslim you each considered each other a Muslim. But, as soon as that non-Muslim is out of the way you turn on each other. You know who wins in the battle of who is the true Muslim? Whichever side has money, political backing, military backing, etc. It is NOT about who is following Islam according to Islamic tenets. It's about who the great powers need to defend their interests.

Remember, today you are all toys in the hands of the West and they're using Muslims to kill Muslims. How do you take pride in this? And, how is the West able to succeed? Oh, let me tell you. They select their puppet-mullahs and then they flood the minds of youngster with propaganda as to why you have to be a certain type of Muslim or else you are not Muslim and condemned to Hell in this very earth: you are KAFIR. Then, in the name of "you are doing God's work" they have blind obedient robots at their limitless disposal.

Moral of the story, once monkey see then monkey do. And then these youngsters become emotionally invested and then they believe they are fighting for God's cause. THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK: you are doing God's work.

The heart wrenching reality is that through social media, so many youngster are being brainwashed without ever stepping a footstep in a Mosque. Then, these kids who were womanizers, gangbangers, druggies, high school dropouts, thugs, become enlightened and then all of a sudden they have been absolved from "sin" and now they have a new life. Their new life? Start condemning people to Hell who don't follow Islam.

What is the difference between their thug days and their "new" life? They now have purpose. Their life has meaning. So, it was not their "sin" that got washed cleaned, no. It was the fact that they were losers and they were trying to establish themselves that they failed in. So, they chose the easy path: i have been promised Heaven if I follow God. So, if I failed on earth, might as well look forward to the Hereafter. It's all psychological. That is why religion is called the opiate of the masses. It gives you WINGS.

Dammit, innocent people have been bulldozed in Kabul and some Muslims, including those who were thugs at one point, are saying it's ok, they were rotten Muslims anyway. Farkhunda was killed and people were happy to settle the score by resorting to conspiracy theories. Imagine!

Religion is the opiate of the masses, because people get high on religion and then they believe their life is worth something because they prayed some words, or gave to charity or visited a shrine, in the name of God. Religion is a magic potion to counter laziness, stupidity, being a failure at what others can, being backwards, lacking discipline, not being in tune with times, etc.

If religion was not an opiate of the masses, then how come in today's times, all the intellectual prowess is from the non-Muslims? Muslims busy getting high today and rather piggyback on the non-Muslims's effort and progress, yet they still condemn them to Hell. Go figure!

The early Muslims were able to build societies and intellectual institutions because they did not believe in a fairy tale God that would do all the work while they smoked hookah, had political debates in tea houses, condemned people to Hell, lust over women, over boys, etc. For some reason today's Muslims, especially the uneducated ones, think that just because they have been told that God is all powerful, therefore if they believe in Him that no matter what happens they will succeed. Why? Because DUNYA does not matter they have been told by their mullahs, it will be the HEREAFTER that will be rewarding. Then, these same people all make fun of Christianity. Your beliefs are no different than Christianity. Do whatever you want as long as you are Christian you are good.

When the West got rid of the Church, that is when they progressed. They stopped hating each other just because they belonged to different sects.

Today, the majority of Muslims who judge who is and who is not a Muslim, who are happy to see a Muslim, who is not from their sect, die, because they were not following the right Islam, are living in life either in the West or enjoy Western culture or technology.

The West did not become the West over the night. They have been executing efforts of 400 years to destroying other religions and cultures through their own people, like Muslim mullahs. You Muslims have all fallen in their trap, and you are too blind to see it. Why? Because you think just because some Mullah quoted from the Quran therefore you are good. You morons, what do you think the West is going to do? Bring a Christian to quote the Bible to you? Of course not. To a Hazara his mullah will quote him certain Quranic verses. To a Tajik his mullah is going to quote other verses. To a Pashtun other verses. So on and so forth. And then? They will unleashed Muslims to kill Muslims. And then? On PASHTUNFORUMS you have pseudo-intellectuals who sit and analyze. SHAKE MY F-EN HEAD.

A human being can easily be brainwashed into believing anything. Majority of Muslim are Muslims because they don't know anything else. They were born into Islam. Human beings are comfortable with the status quo.

[Damir9000]

Most of USA and Europe are Christian countries, last i checked Christianity was a Religion. I enjoy living wherever I am, I make every place home, I don't need to kiss ass and shape shift like you show my face in public. Personally no i wouldn't live in Saudi Arabia or Iran, funny how you didn't mention Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Morrocco, Tunisia, Dubai amongst many others i would rather live in.

Secular society's through time improve their ways? Really? I would argue they are getting worse, do you know how much secular countries spend on war and how many countries USA has invaded, how many people it's killed, how much of the planet it has destroyed, the crime and murder statistics are sky high compared to countries like Saudi. You lack any form of critical thinking.

Tax was introduced to protect the people, give them extra security and welfare in the state, unlike the non-Muslims in the same ere that just butchered everyone and ethnic cleansed anyone that didn't follow their way of life.

Desert dwellers? You sound the same as a red neck racist, where were your ancestors 1400 years ago? Most likely in a mud hut. Man people like you would sell their own mothers to be Caucasian, you damn wannabe.

Look who pulling stuff from thin air.
USA, Canada & EU countries are secular. They are not Christian countries Today.
Their laws don't revolve around the Bible.

You like to insult me but cry about attacks your fictional prophet.
Doesn't Islam teach to be polite to real living people? Oh that's right only to fellow muslims.

what does Etc... mean to you? Do I really need to list them all?
Turkey is a secular.

What does the USA attacking weak countries have to do with secular law?
You just countered Secular domestic law with the Evil USA Militarism.

But fine :Afghanistan was reduced to rubble thanks Islamic militants.
Sunni & Shia kill eachother in Iraq.
I can't believe you used the USA as a point.

I lack criticial thinking? says the man who believes in fairytales.

A Tax.....give them extra security etc... Well at least they didn't butcher them like the rest of non-muslim world. Is that really an argument?
Everybody calls Europe back then as Bad. Your argument is pitiful.

Yes desert dwellers. Where do you think Muhammad lived?
I don't know where my ancestors of 1400 years ago lived. Most likely not far from yours.
We are from the same region after all.

You really make too much..too much assumptions about me.
Like I said before, I don't have inferiority complex about wanting to be Caucasian.
I didn't bow down to white man either.
Also, Rednecks are typically religious.

Most of your response was a complete waste & doesn't say anything meaningful.

[Damir9000]

What I find incredibly laughable is the double standards of Muslims.

When Muslims say that non-Muslims lack manners it's only because they can't handle someone not parroting what their beliefs are: they rather be circle-jerked, then to learn something. Sure, non-Muslims will disagree with Muslims and present their case, but that is not tantamount to lacking manners. If it hurts Muslims to hear someone deconstruct their beliefs, fine, but what is the real problem? Why do I ask this? When Muslims defend Islam they spare no one and nothing; they leave no stone unturned until they are able to defend Islam. They will pull information from anywhere just to justify a Quranic verse. Heck, when Muslims are disagreeing with each other, they use the Quran against each other. It makes one only wonder about their book, either they have misunderstood their own book, or that their book is no longer applicable in our times.

When someone presents arguments against Islam obviously it will hurt. Let that be a lesson to you Muslims, that when you are on a mercenary mission to pillage everything non-Muslim, the same pain is felt by others when you desecrate their beliefs and their venerated persons and God.

And, don't give me this bullcrap that BECAUSE Islam is right, Allah exists, and Muhammad is the LAST and TRUE messenger, therefore Muslims have the right to take all and any necessary means to defend their honour.

Muslims will congregate against a common enemy and then kill each other when the common enemy is gone. Isn't this a political tactic? So, what sets Islam and Muslims apart? You are following the same old tricks of non-Muslims. What is ironic is the fact that you take pride in killing a Muslim based on the same reasoning you kill a non-Muslim. The only difference is that when you were killing a non-Muslim you each considered each other a Muslim. But, as soon as that non-Muslim is out of the way you turn on each other. You know who wins in the battle of who is the true Muslim? Whichever side has money, political backing, military backing, etc. It is NOT about who is following Islam according to Islamic tenets. It's about who the great powers need to defend their interests.

Remember, today you are all toys in the hands of the West and they're using Muslims to kill Muslims. How do you take pride in this? And, how is the West able to succeed? Oh, let me tell you. They select their puppet-mullahs and then they flood the minds of youngster with propaganda as to why you have to be a certain type of Muslim or else you are not Muslim and condemned to Hell in this very earth: you are KAFIR. Then, in the name of "you are doing God's work" they have blind obedient robots at their limitless disposal.

Moral of the story, once monkey see then monkey do. And then these youngsters become emotionally invested and then they believe they are fighting for God's cause. THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK: you are doing God's work.

The heart wrenching reality is that through social media, so many youngster are being brainwashed without ever stepping a footstep in a Mosque. Then, these kids who were womanizers, gangbangers, druggies, high school dropouts, thugs, become enlightened and then all of a sudden they have been absolved from "sin" and now they have a new life. Their new life? Start condemning people to Hell who don't follow Islam.

What is the difference between their thug days and their "new" life? They now have purpose. Their life has meaning. So, it was not their "sin" that got washed cleaned, no. It was the fact that they were losers and they were trying to establish themselves that they failed in. So, they chose the easy path: i have been promised Heaven if I follow God. So, if I failed on earth, might as well look forward to the Hereafter. It's all psychological. That is why religion is called the opiate of the masses. It gives you WINGS.

Dammit, innocent people have been bulldozed in Kabul and some Muslims, including those who were thugs at one point, are saying it's ok, they were rotten Muslims anyway. Farkhunda was killed and people were happy to settle the score by resorting to conspiracy theories. Imagine!

Religion is the opiate of the masses, because people get high on religion and then they believe their life is worth something because they prayed some words, or gave to charity or visited a shrine, in the name of God. Religion is a magic potion to counter laziness, stupidity, being a failure at what others can, being backwards, lacking discipline, not being in tune with times, etc.

If religion was not an opiate of the masses, then how come in today's times, all the intellectual prowess is from the non-Muslims? Muslims busy getting high today and rather piggyback on the non-Muslims's effort and progress, yet they still condemn them to Hell. Go figure!

The early Muslims were able to build societies and intellectual institutions because they did not believe in a fairy tale God that would do all the work while they smoked hookah, had political debates in tea houses, condemned people to Hell, lust over women, over boys, etc. For some reason today's Muslims, especially the uneducated ones, think that just because they have been told that God is all powerful, therefore if they believe in Him that no matter what happens they will succeed. Why? Because DUNYA does not matter they have been told by their mullahs, it will be the HEREAFTER that will be rewarding. Then, these same people all make fun of Christianity. Your beliefs are no different than Christianity. Do whatever you want as long as you are Christian you are good.

When the West got rid of the Church, that is when they progressed. They stopped hating each other just because they belonged to different sects.

Today, the majority of Muslims who judge who is and who is not a Muslim, who are happy to see a Muslim, who is not from their sect, die, because they were not following the right Islam, are living in life either in the West or enjoy Western culture or technology.

The West did not become the West over the night. They have been executing efforts of 400 years to destroying other religions and cultures through their own people, like Muslim mullahs. You Muslims have all fallen in their trap, and you are too blind to see it. Why? Because you think just because some Mullah quoted from the Quran therefore you are good. You morons, what do you think the West is going to do? Bring a Christian to quote the Bible to you? Of course not. To a Hazara his mullah will quote him certain Quranic verses. To a Tajik his mullah is going to quote other verses. To a Pashtun other verses. So on and so forth. And then? They will unleashed Muslims to kill Muslims. And then? On PASHTUNFORUMS you have pseudo-intellectuals who sit and analyze. SHAKE MY F-EN HEAD.

A human being can easily be brainwashed into believing anything. Majority of Muslim are Muslims because they don't know anything else. They were born into Islam. Human beings are comfortable with the status quo.

Bravo!

[Sarbani]

My words, where did i say the ONLY reason theist do good is because of the fear of God. Where? See, when the hate don't work they start telling lies. Badlun has been caught lying here, Soldat another atheist use to lie in every post and exposed, ImAjEW used to lie about being a Jew amongst many other things, Damir repeatedly pulls words out of thin air and says they were said.. Your all liers because your all kafirs its second nature to you because you don't have religion, Islam teaches us to not lie, just one example why you are lost people.

You said that the reason Atheists do bad stuff is because we don't believe in God. That implies Muslims do good stuff (lol) because they believe in God, thus you are doing any good deeds you can under the fear of God's wrath. And if you don't think that theists ONLY do good under the fear of God, then why did you bring up the point that atheists are moral-less due to not believing in God?

And now you're saying that you don't lie because your God tells you not to. Implying you wold be lying if there was no God to guide you. We don't need Islam to tell us whether to lie or not. You Muslims need a God telling you that because you can't think for yourselves.

[Manzareh]

You said that the reason Atheists do bad stuff is because we don't believe in God. That implies Muslims do good stuff (lol) because they believe in God, thus you are doing any good deeds you can under the fear of God's wrath. And if you don't think that theists ONLY do good under the fear of God, then why did you bring up the point that atheists are moral-less due to not believing in God?

And now you're saying that you don't lie because your God tells you not to. Implying you wold be lying if there was no God to guide you. We don't need Islam to tell us whether to lie or not. You Muslims need a God telling you that because you can't think for yourselves.

Stop twisting things like a little bitch, "you said this so therefore you mean that blah blah" stfu if I didn't say something don't imply it to suit your narrative.

A big part of doing good is the belief in God yes, but that's completely different to ONLY doing good because of the belief in God. Again, weak attempt of putting words in my mouth to suit your narrative. Try again.

[Manzareh]

What I find incredibly laughable is the double standards of Muslims.

When Muslims say that non-Muslims lack manners it's only because they can't handle someone not parroting what their beliefs are: they rather be circle-jerked, then to learn something. Sure, non-Muslims will disagree with Muslims and present their case, but that is not tantamount to lacking manners. If it hurts Muslims to hear someone deconstruct their beliefs, fine, but what is the real problem? Why do I ask this? When Muslims defend Islam they spare no one and nothing; they leave no stone unturned until they are able to defend Islam. They will pull information from anywhere just to justify a Quranic verse. Heck, when Muslims are disagreeing with each other, they use the Quran against each other. It makes one only wonder about their book, either they have misunderstood their own book, or that their book is no longer applicable in our times.

When someone presents arguments against Islam obviously it will hurt. Let that be a lesson to you Muslims, that when you are on a mercenary mission to pillage everything non-Muslim, the same pain is felt by others when you desecrate their beliefs and their venerated persons and God.

And, don't give me this bullcrap that BECAUSE Islam is right, Allah exists, and Muhammad is the LAST and TRUE messenger, therefore Muslims have the right to take all and any necessary means to defend their honour.

Muslims will congregate against a common enemy and then kill each other when the common enemy is gone. Isn't this a political tactic? So, what sets Islam and Muslims apart? You are following the same old tricks of non-Muslims. What is ironic is the fact that you take pride in killing a Muslim based on the same reasoning you kill a non-Muslim. The only difference is that when you were killing a non-Muslim you each considered each other a Muslim. But, as soon as that non-Muslim is out of the way you turn on each other. You know who wins in the battle of who is the true Muslim? Whichever side has money, political backing, military backing, etc. It is NOT about who is following Islam according to Islamic tenets. It's about who the great powers need to defend their interests.

Remember, today you are all toys in the hands of the West and they're using Muslims to kill Muslims. How do you take pride in this? And, how is the West able to succeed? Oh, let me tell you. They select their puppet-mullahs and then they flood the minds of youngster with propaganda as to why you have to be a certain type of Muslim or else you are not Muslim and condemned to Hell in this very earth: you are KAFIR. Then, in the name of "you are doing God's work" they have blind obedient robots at their limitless disposal.

Moral of the story, once monkey see then monkey do. And then these youngsters become emotionally invested and then they believe they are fighting for God's cause. THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK: you are doing God's work.

The heart wrenching reality is that through social media, so many youngster are being brainwashed without ever stepping a footstep in a Mosque. Then, these kids who were womanizers, gangbangers, druggies, high school dropouts, thugs, become enlightened and then all of a sudden they have been absolved from "sin" and now they have a new life. Their new life? Start condemning people to Hell who don't follow Islam.

What is the difference between their thug days and their "new" life? They now have purpose. Their life has meaning. So, it was not their "sin" that got washed cleaned, no. It was the fact that they were losers and they were trying to establish themselves that they failed in. So, they chose the easy path: i have been promised Heaven if I follow God. So, if I failed on earth, might as well look forward to the Hereafter. It's all psychological. That is why religion is called the opiate of the masses. It gives you WINGS.

Dammit, innocent people have been bulldozed in Kabul and some Muslims, including those who were thugs at one point, are saying it's ok, they were rotten Muslims anyway. Farkhunda was killed and people were happy to settle the score by resorting to conspiracy theories. Imagine!

Religion is the opiate of the masses, because people get high on religion and then they believe their life is worth something because they prayed some words, or gave to charity or visited a shrine, in the name of God. Religion is a magic potion to counter laziness, stupidity, being a failure at what others can, being backwards, lacking discipline, not being in tune with times, etc.

If religion was not an opiate of the masses, then how come in today's times, all the intellectual prowess is from the non-Muslims? Muslims busy getting high today and rather piggyback on the non-Muslims's effort and progress, yet they still condemn them to Hell. Go figure!

The early Muslims were able to build societies and intellectual institutions because they did not believe in a fairy tale God that would do all the work while they smoked hookah, had political debates in tea houses, condemned people to Hell, lust over women, over boys, etc. For some reason today's Muslims, especially the uneducated ones, think that just because they have been told that God is all powerful, therefore if they believe in Him that no matter what happens they will succeed. Why? Because DUNYA does not matter they have been told by their mullahs, it will be the HEREAFTER that will be rewarding. Then, these same people all make fun of Christianity. Your beliefs are no different than Christianity. Do whatever you want as long as you are Christian you are good.

When the West got rid of the Church, that is when they progressed. They stopped hating each other just because they belonged to different sects.

Today, the majority of Muslims who judge who is and who is not a Muslim, who are happy to see a Muslim, who is not from their sect, die, because they were not following the right Islam, are living in life either in the West or enjoy Western culture or technology.

The West did not become the West over the night. They have been executing efforts of 400 years to destroying other religions and cultures through their own people, like Muslim mullahs. You Muslims have all fallen in their trap, and you are too blind to see it. Why? Because you think just because some Mullah quoted from the Quran therefore you are good. You morons, what do you think the West is going to do? Bring a Christian to quote the Bible to you? Of course not. To a Hazara his mullah will quote him certain Quranic verses. To a Tajik his mullah is going to quote other verses. To a Pashtun other verses. So on and so forth. And then? They will unleashed Muslims to kill Muslims. And then? On PASHTUNFORUMS you have pseudo-intellectuals who sit and analyze. SHAKE MY F-EN HEAD.

A human being can easily be brainwashed into believing anything. Majority of Muslim are Muslims because they don't know anything else. They were born into Islam. Human beings are comfortable with the status quo.

I'll have to read this essay later.

[Manzareh]

Looks who pulling stuff from thin air.
USA, Canada & EU countries are secular. They are not a Christian countries Today.
Their laws don't revolve around the Bible.

You like to insult me but cry about attacks your fictional prophet.
Doesn't Islam teach to be polite to real living people? Oh that's right only to fellow muslims.

what does Etc... mean to you? Do I really need to list them all?
Turkey is a secular.

What does the USA attacking weak countries have to do with secular law?
You just countered Secular domestic law with the Evil USA Militarism.

But fine :Afghanistan was reduced to rubble thanks Islamic militants.
Sunni & Shia kill eachother in Iraq.
I can't believe you used the USA as a point.

I lack criticial thinking? says the man who believes in fairytales.

A Tax.....give them extra security etc... Well at least they didn't butcher them like the rest of non-muslim world. Is that really an argument?
Everybody calls Europe back then as Bad. Your argument is pitiful.

Yes desert dwellers. Where do you think Muhammad lived?
I don't know where my ancestors of 1400 years ago lived. Most likely not far from yours.
We are from the same region after all.

You really make too much..too much assumptions about me.
Like I said before, I don't have inferiority complex about wanting to be Caucasian.
I didn't bow down to white man either.
Also, Rednecks are typically religious.

Most of your response was a complete waste & doesn't say anything meaningful.

Yes they are Christian secular countries just how there are Muslim secular countries, you just chose to give examples of SAudi, Iran and so fourth ignoring the others because it suits your biased viewpoint.

You attack my prophet i attack you, simple. Islam teaches alot of things, i aint a perfect muslim or a mullah though so you'll get the same amount of abuse back as you give. You atheists like to take advantage of religious people thinking you are safe because we're all pacifists. Big mistake.

Yes alot of people call non-muslim europe as bad back then, and Islamic golden age as one the most influential times the world has seen. At least we agree on something.

You said dessert dwellers, used the term in the same way racist KKK type people refer to brown people. Talking as if your parents wernt sitting in a shiithole themself a couple of years ago, look in the mirror.

"I lack criticial thinking? says the man who believes in fairytales."
i guess believing that there was absolutely nothing for a period of time, then 'poooof' matter and particles came out of nothing and formed from this nothingness and created the universe which is in perfect balance today - Your telling me thats not a fairytale? LOL ok.

[Manzareh]

What I find incredibly laughable is the double standards of Muslims.

When Muslims say that non-Muslims lack manners it's only because they can't handle someone not parroting what their beliefs are: they rather be circle-jerked, then to learn something.

I would argue its the same with atheists

Sure, non-Muslims will disagree with Muslims and present their case, but that is not tantamount to lacking manners.

ofcourse it is, when you come to PF a forum of Pashtuns, you know the race of about 60million people which 99.9% are Muslim, come here and shout pedophile, sex this and sex that, allah this and allah that, post pictures of naked women and stuff - this is not manners, so take your head out of your ass. Don't give me this 'present our case' BS, most of you atheist people come here 'try' and ridicule our faith, you don't come here to learn, debate or see our viewpoint..you just come here to troll.

This is the problem with you Atheists or ex-muslim types, your all arrogant people, you have your ears closed and your mouths open. "I was a Muslim once before, therefore there is nothing NOTHING you can tell me or teach me that i've not heard before" what i find in debating you atheist ex-muslim types is that your knowledge of Islam is exceptionally shallow adn your general mentalities are naive, most of what you say is due to being gullible and just believing what you read and see on the media about Muslims

If it hurts Muslims to hear someone deconstruct their beliefs, fine, but what is the real problem? Why do I ask this?

It hurts you more, see I'm not on a Atheist forum joining up and within a day imposing my beliefs and challenging everyone, I'm a member of a few societies socially and we hardly even talk about religion. You guys are all butt-hurt individuals that want to war monger any Muslim you find, if you don't come across any you will jump online and find us, just so you can come and give us your personal disappointments with Islam, our prophet etc. This is the REAL problem. Remember where you are, you weren't forced to join here. You atheists are all butt-hurt people that can't talk about any other subject but Islam. What do you expect us to do?

When Muslims defend Islam they spare no one and nothing; they leave no stone unturned until they are able to defend Islam. They will pull information from anywhere just to justify a Quranic verse.

The same with you Atheists and science. The same way you guys are here shoving your way of life down our throats. Why are you allowed to do this, but we have to smile and take it all in without defending. Why are you allowed to pull references from Charles darwin and co but we cant defend?? this is infact double standards. I agree to an extent though, i know what you mean Muslims are waaaaay to apologetic and over zealous to prove their faith, something you atheists like to take advantage of when your bored or need some attention, you know you'l get a reaction from a Muslim so we are the first people who's buttons you will try push. We should dismiss you and pay you no mind to be honest.

Heck, when Muslims are disagreeing with each other, they use the Quran against each other. It makes one only wonder about their book, either they have misunderstood their own book, or that their book is no longer applicable in our times.

So people of Science and science books never disagree with each other? ovcourse they do, does this mean science is not correct or applicable? dont be ridiculous.

When someone presents arguments against Islam obviously it will hurt. Let that be a lesson to you Muslims, that when you are on a mercenary mission to pillage everything non-Muslim, the same pain is felt by others when you desecrate their beliefs and their venerated persons and God.

Dude, what the heck are you talking about, the creators of this website are Muslim, most of the members are muslim, you are the one coming here on a mission to pillage everything Muslim. you fuking idiot take a few steps back and analyse the situation here. When you point a finger remember there are 3 pointing back at yourself. Like i said your butt-hurt.

Remember, today you are all toys in the hands of the West and they're using Muslims to kill Muslims. How do you take pride in this? And, how is the West able to succeed? Oh, let me tell you. They select their puppet-mullahs and then they flood the minds of youngster with propaganda as to why you have to be a certain type of Muslim or else you are not Muslim and condemned to Hell in this very earth: you are KAFIR. Then, in the name of "you are doing God's work" they have blind obedient robots at their limitless disposal.

This is true, i agree. All the Muslim rulers and governments are puppets. There is a lot of confusion going on. The west's biggest tool is war, sadly i believe this will also be the end of the western empire, its literally burning itself out, look at the economies its already starting to crumble.

The heart wrenching reality is that through social media, so many youngster are being brainwashed without ever stepping a footstep in a Mosque. Then, these kids who were womanizers, gangbangers, druggies, high school dropouts, thugs, become enlightened and then all of a sudden they have been absolved from "sin" and now they have a new life. Their new life? Start condemning people to Hell who don't follow Islam.

This is true, and the dangers of online self learning.

What is the difference between their thug days and their "new" life? They now have purpose. Their life has meaning. So, it was not their "sin" that got washed cleaned, no. It was the fact that they were losers and they were trying to establish themselves that they failed in. So, they chose the easy path: i have been promised Heaven if I follow God. So, if I failed on earth, might as well look forward to the Hereafter. It's all psychological. That is why religion is called the opiate of the masses. It gives you WINGS.

But isn't i a good thing, these people in their 'thug days' were a menace to society because they were essentially living life like atheists. They found God (whether its true or not) and became peaceful people, end up getting decent jobs and raising families of their own. It's a beautiful thing, i'm all for it.

Dammit, innocent people have been bulldozed in Kabul and some Muslims, including those who were thugs at one point, are saying it's ok, they were rotten Muslims anyway. Farkhunda was killed and people were happy to settle the score by resorting to conspiracy theories. Imagine!

There's alot of different people in the world. We can't answer for everyone. I can give you 100 articles now on the horrendous acts of Atheists that i dont expect you to justify.

Religion is the opiate of the masses, because people get high on religion and then they believe their life is worth something because they prayed some words, or gave to charity or visited a shrine, in the name of God. Religion is a magic potion to counter laziness, stupidity, being a failure at what others can, being backwards, lacking discipline, not being in tune with times, etc.

This is personal opinion, i disagree.

If religion was not an opiate of the masses, then how come in today's times, all the intellectual prowess is from the non-Muslims? Muslims busy getting high today and rather piggyback on the non-Muslims's effort and progress, yet they still condemn them to Hell. Go figure!

Alot of this intellectual prowess you speak of is just a continuation of the initial works and studies of Muslims, they did the hard work hundreds of years ago, You could call these non-muslims piggy banking on the pioneers of Algebra, astronomy, biology etc

The early Muslims were able to build societies and intellectual institutions because they did not believe in a fairy tale God that would do all the work while they smoked hookah, had political debates in tea houses, condemned people to Hell, lust over women, over boys, etc. For some reason today's Muslims, especially the uneducated ones, think that just because they have been told that God is all powerful, therefore if they believe in Him that no matter what happens they will succeed. Why? Because DUNYA does not matter they have been told by their mullahs, it will be the HEREAFTER that will be rewarding. Then, these same people all make fun of Christianity. Your beliefs are no different than Christianity. Do whatever you want as long as you are Christian you are good.

Agreed.

[Damir9000]

Yes they are Christian secular countries just how there are Muslim secular countries, you just chose to give examples of SAudi, Iran and so fourth ignoring the others because it suits your biased viewpoint.

You attack my prophet i attack you, simple. Islam teaches alot of things, i aint a perfect muslim or a mullah though so you'll get the same amount of abuse back as you give. You atheists like to take advantage of religious people thinking you are safe because we're all pacifists. Big mistake.

Yes alot of people call non-muslim europe as bad back then, and Islamic golden age as one the most influential times the world has seen. At least we agree on something.

You said dessert dwellers, used the term in the same way racist KKK type people refer to brown people. Talking as if your parents wernt sitting in a shiithole themself a couple of years ago, look in the mirror.

"I lack criticial thinking? says the man who believes in fairytales."
i guess believing that there was absolutely nothing for a period of time, then 'poooof' matter and particles came out of nothing and formed from this nothingness and created the universe which is in perfect balance today - Your telling me thats not a fairytale? LOL ok.

what bull****.

They are not Christian or Christian Secular. They are simply secular.
Their laws aren't from the bible.

Your prophet is a man from history. He's fair game to anyone. The fact that people like you go crazy over it is more reason to mock him more.
Seriously, stop worshiping him. People insult every prophet & Allah and you guys keep your calm.

The islamic golden age is overhyped & brief.

My parents aren't arabs. I don't care about arabs.

Yes you believe in fairytales that a desert arab ripped off jewish & christian myths. In those days, every nation had their own myths.
Funny how God suddenly started talking to arabs, forgetting the jews and neglecting the rest of the world like always.

You always forget the fact that you accept God came into existence out nowhere, and you have no issue with it.
You making fun that the Universe came into out nowhere is really silly & obtuse on your part.
Scientists don't know the exact origin of the Universe. They only have theories.

Like I said before, there may be a God, but Allah isn't him.

Typical indoctrinated Muslim. It's like talking to a North Korean.

[Manzareh]

You always forget the fact that you accept God came into existence out nowhere, and you have no issue with it.
You making fun that the Universe came into out nowhere is really silly & obtuse on your part.
Scientists don't know the exact origin of the Universe. They only have theories.

Like I said before, there may be a God, but Allah isn't him.

Typical indoctrinated Muslim. It's like talking to a North Korean.

No, i do not accept God came into existence out of nowhere - where did i state this? why do you keep lying. I said Allah doesnt have a beginning nor an end, there was never 'nothing' Allah has always existed, if a being created Allah then that being would be God. Pretty simple. Yes it is illogical that the universe came into existance out of initial 'nothingness' it's absolutely ridiculous to believe that, and if you think these 'theories' are EVER going to one day prove that 'matter appeared from nothing' then your an idiot. Allah is the creator the supreme being that created the initial particles from which the universe was created through a series of events.

"There may be a God but Allah isn't him" Allah is just the Arabic word for God, i'm actually doubting you were ever a Muslim, probably just another Islamopheobe thats got the usual Ex-Muslim story. Furthermore, how can you call your self an atheist when youve just said in your own words your a agnostic. Your a confused individual. Can you speak Pashto?

[Badlun]

I request @Admn to give an official explnation that why the threas under discussion was deleted!

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I don't have an inferiority complex about being Pashtun. My thread about Pashtun & Atheism is to show that Muslims don't own the Pashtun identity.

Bengal Pussycat has an inferiority complex about being Bengali and wishes he was Pashtun

so in his psychology he thinks others have inferiority complexes in the same way that he does.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

As far as this discussion is concerned

@Damir2000 I just want to clear the air. The banning or deleting of your thread has NOTHING to do with me whatsoever. I do not report anyone unless I feel they're an overt danger.

I will say however, that I am not SAD that some of your threads were deleted.

some of your threads like the "Islamic Miracles" one was just intended to FLAME the forum. You just wanted to get a rise out of people Even though MOST of the Muslims who responded agreed with you about the ridiculous attempts by a small minority of Muslims to extrapolate "miracles" from absurdities.

The very smug, derisive attitude you have in some of your posts is offputting. It sends the message that you did not intended a debate a discourse with us, but how you're trying to prove to us how "profound" you feel so you can convince yourself.

you know the discourse we're having in the "Oldest Qur'an manuscript" thread?

That thread is a VERY POSITIVE discussion. You're being a very mature and sensible opposition. MOST of us are OK with that.

See what I mean, when I said that you get more flies with honey than with vinegar?

If you still want to use vinegar, be my guest. You see what happens But if you use honey, you'll have more reasoned responses.