Alexander Wrote

[Badlun]

If they ever do, they would realize that pashto has made a huge comeback in both afghanistan and pakistan. Badlan's version of a brave pashtuns were pashtuns like Najib and Karmel who created criminals like Dostom.

This is a good news for me if Pashto has made a huge come back.

During my recent visits to Kabul and Peshawar I did not see a single word of Pashto any where in Peshawar. All sign boards are in English or Urdu. All official documents are in English or Urdu. Only there is one Pashto TV channel(Khyber) and only one daily newspaper(Wahdat). Writing and reading of Pashto is almost dead in Pakistan.

In Jalalabad one can see Pashto everywhere but Dari is also used in Offices. In Kabul use of Pashto is very limited. Still Pashto is not the full Official language along with Dari as enshrined in the constitution of Afghanistan.

During my visits to the embassies of Afghanistan in different countries of the world or Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Kabul or UN offices, everything is in Dari.

[Kushan Prince]

^ Then our language is headed into extinction if thats the case.

[Admin Khan]

This is a good news for me if Pashto has made a huge come back.

During my recent visits to Kabul and Peshawar I did not see a single word of Pashto any where in Peshawar. All sign boards are in English or Urdu. All official documents are in English or Urdu. Only there is one Pashto TV channel(Khyber) and only one daily newspaper(Wahdat). Writing and reading of Pashto is almost dead in Pakistan.

In Jalalabad one can see Pashto everywhere but Dari is also used in Offices. In Kabul use of Pashto is very limited. Still Pashto is not the full Official language along with Dari as enshrined in the constitution of Afghanistan.

During my visits to the embassies of Afghanistan in different countries of the world or Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Kabul or UN offices, everything is in Dari.

Did you visit the outskirts of Kabul? Kabul city is mixed with some signs in Pashto, and some in Dari. Kandahar is 100% Pashto signs, Nangarhar about 80%, Jalalabad just about the same as Kandahar, and I can go on and on. If you deliberately choose to visit Peshawar, which is known to be Urdufied, yet working on it's improvement, or Kabul city, which is known to be Persianized, then that does not give you the right to generalize about an ethnic group of 5-60 million, with various stronghold, or so to speak centers. Why don't you visit Kandahar City and then let me know if you found signs in Dari, or if Pashto is dying anytime soon. It's about ~1.5 million people, so it should give you a small taste of what exists in other Pashtun centers. We have 100 of other problems, but don't put us on the same equation as Palestine, our problem is not as severe.

[Badlun]

Afghanistan.


Using predicate logic, quantitative logic, boolean algebra, you name it and I can prove that you what you just said above is incredibly illogical. Just because Afghanistan is not 99.9999999999999999999999 percent Pashtun does NOT negate the fact that Afghanistan explicitly means the land of the Pashtuns, and that even that very language Pashto in which you converse in daily is known as Afghani according to many dictionaries. These are hard concrete facts. Afghanistan is about ~65 percent Pashtun according to WAK foundation. Today, the world is becoming dynamic, it's no longer static. We do not live in a world(except South Korea)where 99.9 percent is of the same ethnic group.


Pakistan to Pashtuns is what Italy is for Pashtuns, both are foreign countries.


The answer is the Pashtun homeland, from Kandahar to Peshawar, from Kabul to Mingora.

Do you think the constitution and national anthem of Afghanistan are wrong when calling every citizen of Afghanistan as Afghan? Historically Pashtun and Afghan were synonymous but not now. Now a Tajik is also Afghan, an Uzbek is also Afghan and so on. Otherwise we will violate the constitution of Afghanistan.

Do you think that Pashtuns in Pakistan really consider Pakistan to be a foreign country like Italy? Why then they have Pakistani passports by birth? Do you know a single group of Pashtuns having a movement for independence from Pakistan and joining Afghanistan?

Majority of Pashtuns(about 70% of total Pashtun population) live in Pakistan as its citizens. Only 30% of Pashtuns live in Afghanistan. How the 30% can represent the homeland for the 70% also?

Yes Afghanistan can have different ethnic groups. Similarly Pakistan do have different groups. The correct example for Pashtuns should be a country like Switzerland where German, French and Italians are living as Swiss.

[Admin Khan]

Do you think the constitution and national anthem of Afghanistan are wrong when calling every citizen of Afghanistan as Afghan? Historically Pashtun and Afghan were synonymous but not now. Now a Tajik is also Afghan, an Uzbek is also Afghan and so on. Otherwise we will violate the constitution of Afghanistan.

Do you think that Pashtuns in Pakistan really consider Pakistan to be a foreign country like Italy? Why then they have Pakistani passports by birth? Do you know a single group of Pashtuns having a movement for independence from Pakistan and joining Afghanistan?

Majority of Pashtuns(about 70% of total Pashtun population) live in Pakistan as its citizens. Only 30% of Pashtuns live in Afghanistan. How the 30% can represent the homeland for the 70% also?

Yes Afghanistan can have different ethnic groups. Similarly Pakistan do have different groups. The correct example for Pashtuns should be a country like Switzerland where German, French and Italians are living as Swiss.

I'm afraid you don't know the difference between a nationality and ethnicity. There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling a Italian who was born in Afghanistan an Afghan national. Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras are all proud Afghan nationals. The same way if a Somalian, or Korean is born in Afghanistan, he too is an Afghan national. The same way if you were born in the USA, you are an American, and the same way if you are born in Germany, you are a German national. Being a national of a country, is different compared to hailing from that ethnic group. Afghanistan literally, as you mentioned, translates to the Land of the Pashtuns, whose national language is Pashto. It is silly, and illogical to say that just because Afganistan has other ethnic groups, besides the Afghan(Pashtun)ethnic group, it nullifies the notion that Afghanistan is the motherland. Tajiks, Baluch, Hazara and many others whom are honorable Afghan nationals do not contradict, or nor negate the obvious equation.

If tomorrow if every single Pashtun leaves Afghanistan, that does not mean Afghanistan is not the homeland. You are mixing up elementary concepts here. Afghans do not see any difference in an Afghan from Quetta, compared to an Afghan from Chaman, compared to an Afghan from Swat. A passport might change your nationality, but your ethnicity is not invalidated.

I rest my case. Ponder over the Russian example before you respond. If your dad was born in Russia, that does not mean you throw away your Afghan blood and claim you are no longer Afghan. Nor will ethnic Russians start complaining that Russia is no longer their homeland, since they give birth to you.

[Kushan Prince]

Do you think the constitution and national anthem of Afghanistan are wrong when calling every citizen of Afghanistan as Afghan? Historically Pashtun and Afghan were synonymous but not now. Now a Tajik is also Afghan, an Uzbek is also Afghan and so on. Otherwise we will violate the constitution of Afghanistan.

Do you think that Pashtuns in Pakistan really consider Pakistan to be a foreign country like Italy? Why then they have Pakistani passports by birth? Do you know a single group of Pashtuns having a movement for independence from Pakistan and joining Afghanistan?

Majority of Pashtuns(about 70% of total Pashtun population) live in Pakistan as its citizens. Only 30% of Pashtuns live in Afghanistan. How the 30% can represent the homeland for the 70% also?

Yes Afghanistan can have different ethnic groups. Similarly Pakistan do have different groups. The correct example for Pashtuns should be a country like Switzerland where German, French and Italians are living as Swiss.

More like 70% pashtuns live in afghanistan and only 29% reside in pakistan and half of these are refugees from afghansitan. Also why are you so negative against pashtuns?

[Badlun]

Did you visit the outskirts of Kabul? Kabul city is mixed with some signs in Pashto, and some in Dari. Kandahar is 100% Pashto signs, Nangarhar about 80%, Jalalabad just about the same as Kandahar, and I can go on and on. If you deliberately choose to visit Peshawar, which is known to be Urdufied, yet working on it's improvement, or Kabul city, which is known to be Persianized, then that does not give you the right to generalize about an ethnic group of 5-60 million, with various stronghold, or so to speak centers. Why don't you visit Kandahar City and then let me know if you found signs in Dari, or if Pashto is dying anytime soon. It's about ~1.5 million people, so it should give you a small taste of what exists in other Pashtun centers. We have 100 of other problems, but don't put us on the same equation as Palestine, our problem is not as severe.

What matters is the capital Kabul not the outskirts? In outskirts we do not have offices, miniseries, tv stations, business centers and big markets.

Yes I agree Qandahar is the only place where you see Pashto 100 %. But we need homeland for Pashto not a city. Pashtuns are about 70 million thus 1.5 million is very little number to represent the case of Pashto language.

I have visited almost all cities, regions and some times towns of Pashtun Watan, Quetta , Qandahar,Paktia, Kunar, Jalal Abad, Qundus, Peshawar, Mardan, SWat, Dir, Karak, Waziristan, Loralaye, Chaman, Zhob, Kohat etc but except Qandahar I did not find Pashto in full use anywhere.

Afghanistan is the hope for Pashto where Pashto has a constitutional back while Qandahar is the present fortress of Pashto.

I never equated Pashtuns with Palestine but let us accept the hard realities that Pashtuns are facing in the spheres of language, art, science, society, religion, culture, politics and economy.

[khushal]

I have visited almost all cities, regions and some times towns of Pashtun Watan, Quetta , Qandahar,Paktia, Kunar, Jalal Abad, Qundus, Peshawar, Mardan, SWat, Dir, Karak, Waziristan, Loralaye, Chaman, Zhob, Kohat etc but except Qandahar I did not find Pashto in full use anywhere.
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Khost, Gardez, Paktia has 100% pashto.

[Badlun]

I'm afraid you don't know the difference between a nationality and ethnicity. There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling a Italian who was born in Afghanistan an Afghan national. Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras are all proud Afghan nationals. The same way if a Somalian, or Korean is born in Afghanistan, he too is an Afghan national. The same way if you were born in the USA, you are an American, and the same way if you are born in Germany, you are a German national. Being a national of a country, is different compared to hailing from that ethnic group. Afghanistan literally, as you mentioned, translates to the Land of the Pashtuns, whose national language is Pashto. It is silly, and illogical to say that just because Afganistan has other ethnic groups, besides the Afghan(Pashtun)ethnic group, it nullifies the notion that Afghanistan is the motherland. Tajiks, Baluch, Hazara and many others whom are honorable Afghan nationals do not contradict, or nor negate the obvious equation.

If tomorrow if every single Pashtun leaves Afghanistan, that does not mean Afghanistan is not the homeland. You are mixing up elementary concepts here. Afghans do not see any difference in an Afghan from Quetta, compared to an Afghan from Chaman, compared to an Afghan from Swat. A passport might change your nationality, but your ethnicity is not invalidated.

I rest my case. Ponder over the Russian example before you respond. If your dad was born in Russia, that does not mean you throw away your Afghan blood and claim you are no longer Afghan. Nor will ethnic Russians start complaining that Russia is no longer their homeland, since they give birth to you.

The issue is the term Afghan. Can we use it only for Pashtuns or others like Tajiks are also Afghans. If the constitution and anthem would use the term Afghanisitani for the citizens of Afghanistan as like Pakistan uses Pakistani for all citizens including Pashtuns, Punjabis etc then there would be no confusion.
I understand the difference between ethnicity and nationality. Let us agree then that all Pashtuns are ethnic Afghans but majority of Pashtuns are not citizens of one homeland. All Afghans are not Pashtuns and all Pashtuns are not Afghans politically.

Pashtuns like Germans are living in different countries like Afghanistan , Pakistan etc but do not have an exclusive country for them which can be termed as the Pashtun homeland. Afghanistan is the most representative country of Pashtuns but still Pashtuns need to struggle to make their language the true national and one of the official language of Afghanistan. They being majority should be really at the helm of affairs of the state of Afghansitan.

[Karachi]

i am not sure if the letter is correct or not but greek scholars wrote a lot of material about their time in Asia, it's so interesting studying the writing

[Khostai]

What matters is the capital Kabul not the outskirts? In outskirts we do not have offices, miniseries, tv stations, business centers and big markets.

Yes I agree Qandahar is the only place where you see Pashto 100 %. But we need homeland for Pashto not a city. Pashtuns are about 70 million thus 1.5 million is very little number to represent the case of Pashto language.

I have visited almost all cities, regions and some times towns of Pashtun Watan, Quetta , Qandahar,Paktia, Kunar, Jalal Abad, Qundus, Peshawar, Mardan, SWat, Dir, Karak, Waziristan, Loralaye, Chaman, Zhob, Kohat etc but except Qandahar I did not find Pashto in full use anywhere.

Afghanistan is the hope for Pashto where Pashto has a constitutional back while Qandahar is the present fortress of Pashto.

I never equated Pashtuns with Palestine but let us accept the hard realities that Pashtuns are facing in the spheres of language, art, science, society, religion, culture, politics and economy.

Yes you are kind of right Pashtu is a second language in Afghanistan, just look at the Afghan chanels, almost all of them are in Dari .
And also when I went to Afghan Ambassey all those peopel there spoke only Dari -_-.
The precentage of besewaad among Pashtuns is really big and our leaders did nothing for our language, out of convinience and lazynes.
So peopel thinking that everything is just fine are dreaming, There is just littel needed to push Pashtu language in to extinction.

[Khostai]

Khost, Gardez, Paktia has 100% pashto.

The Books in Khost uni are most of the time in dari or some in English.

[khushal]

The Books in Khost uni are most of the time in dari or some in English.

Most subjects taught at the University is still mostly Dari but thats because many books have not been translated into pashto. The main reason that Dari is prominent in Afghansitan and Urdu(70% Farsi/Dari) in Pakistan is because that many books and subjects are printed in Farsi/Dari/Urdu. To make
pashto prominent in Afghanistan, you must make it practical. If Real Estate is all about location, location, location then Language is all about literature, literature, literature.

[Admin Khan]

Khushal is spot on. Pashtuns have not done enough for Pashto. Sooner or later, languages like Dari will also be irrelevant. English swallows languages without a significant impact.

[Manzareh]

I'm afraid you don't know the difference between a nationality and ethnicity. There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling a Italian who was born in Afghanistan an Afghan national. Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras are all proud Afghan nationals. The same way if a Somalian, or Korean is born in Afghanistan, he too is an Afghan national. The same way if you were born in the USA, you are an American, and the same way if you are born in Germany, you are a German national. Being a national of a country, is different compared to hailing from that ethnic group. Afghanistan literally, as you mentioned, translates to the Land of the Pashtuns, whose national language is Pashto. It is silly, and illogical to say that just because Afganistan has other ethnic groups, besides the Afghan(Pashtun)ethnic group, it nullifies the notion that Afghanistan is the motherland. Tajiks, Baluch, Hazara and many others whom are honorable Afghan nationals do not contradict, or nor negate the obvious equation..

So Tajiks,uxbeks etc are Afghan nationals but not ethnic Afghans as ethnic Afghans are only Pashtun? is this what your saying.