Talk on Moderation

[Soldat_Amir]

I dont know about al-hanif but toramana is a very racist person. He looks down upon south asians and arabs, though i have heard that he himself is a dark-skinned person.
I have already complained to admin about toramana for his repeated attempt to provoke me by calling me a jat and sikh.

You have also had your moments against Indians and Bengalis too. You have also insulted the Tribal Pashtuns too. Stop jumping on the Anti Toramana band wagon, it makes you more opportunistic than concerning.

[Soldat_Amir]

I also reported him of continues racism without any reasons. This resulted in Al-Hanafi getting a ban and this Toranama racist is still around spreading his hatred and racism.

When you confront him he is not able to answer. He is even afraid to tell who he support and why. He hides and is a hypocrit.

You claim to be of the master race, you disguise your nationalism with Islam, you have called members here as Kafirs because they dislike some of the Habits of Arab Militants.

[Soldat_Amir]

I feel as if Toramana has been purposely targetted by a cyber gang to prevent him from speaking on this forum.

Could the forum Mod's and Admin Khan please take this into consideration as I feel this smear campaigin against Toramana has ill intentions.

[al-arab]

You claim to be of the master race, you disguise your nationalism with Islam, you have called members here as Kafirs because they dislike some of the Habits of Arab Militants.

I have never talked about a master race. Watch your mouth. Either you lie (with is a sin) or you provide information. All the other thinks you can do to others.

I have 1 person Kafir and that is thi Toramana who is a racist, un-Islamic, lie, a hypocrit and many other things. Nobody else.

When has I said that I support Al-Qaeda? Nor Taliban?

I repeat this for the last time (See my first post in the discussion about "why do Pasthtuns like Taliban").

Afghans should be ruled by Afghans and nobody else should lay a claim on their land be it Pakistanis, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Iranians or a few extremists Arabs.

Apart from that I also mentioned in the post that in my opinion Islam should be the key in the society at the same time.

So please, communist (I can call you that since you openly have supported the communist kafir Najibullah in my and others presence here), don't spread lies when you have no prove.

[graveyardofempires]

Look these fake nationalists who are actually not muslim and tbeir coduct is totally opposite to pukhtunwali laying claim on my land will get your ass kicked

[Michin Khel]

Racism comments against arabs should'nt be tolerated.

Dear admins,
I have noted that in recent discussions toramana, a very senior person has made very racist remarks against arabs by calling them camels, sand-negros etc in his every post related to arabs. Personally i dont like those arabs who are in superiority complex and look down upon south asians. But majority of arabs are very nice people. I know one thing and that in general pashtuns have great respect for arabs , so degrading comments about arabs on pashtunforums should'nt be tolerated. And also holy prophet p.b.u.h was an arab , so its like insulting our prophet (nauzubillah).
When toramana makes blunder he talks of leaving forum, an old tactic. After break he returns with his racist discussion. So before he runs, admins should banned him for few weeks.
NO TO RACISM.

[al-arab]

I fully agree. But I want to make this VERY clear. I do not want anyone banned nor is it my business or I who decide. I just condemn racism, narrow-minded opinions from communism who claim to represent Muslims.

This is what I wrote in other post:

"Yes, this is very common among hypocrits and people who change their opinion 100 times in one day.

The same can be said about Soldat-Amir who is not even a Muslim. He preaches so called Pashtun Islam (such thing does not excist as do not Iraqi Islam or Arab Islam, saying otherwise is Kafir), tolerance etc. but his hatred towards anything that is foreign for him is enormous. Hypocrisy at the highest.

And he claims "which hypocrisy". He is not very clever.

The Armenian on this forum is also a hypocrit. He claim to be against all racism but as soon as I say something he do not like (nothing personal or racist, just facts) he show is truth face and is racist.

Not to talk about Toramana.

This forum is to great and I fell there are many rightous people here, I may not agree with them all, nobody does, but I don't think it is good for the forum to have such individuals who claim tolerance etc. but are just the opposite. They are the worst.

I kindly urge the moderators to look at this and make their minds up. I don't see this as a good thing for the forum.

We are all human beings and we are all equal under Almighty Allah. People should treat other people with respect here because otherwise we will all commit the same mistakes our brothers and sisters sometimes do. See what it have done to us? Nothing, nothing. We as Muslims shoud support each other not spread hate among others. We might not agree with everything and we have cultural and language barriers but simple hate without reason for the individual exposed to it (you don't even no him) is simply not right, a sin and very un-Islamic.

I ask myself it that is what you behave in real life when you are among friends/teachers/fellow workers/elders in the West or in you own countries. I am very curious to see that.

Very sad to see. I did not join this forum to protect myself from racist remarks on Arabs from members who disagree. I also did not come here to protect myself from false accusations. I did also not come here to repeat myself agani and again.

I came here to knew fellow Muslims better, Muslims I happen to know a few of in the Middle East and Muslims that are one of the descendents from my mothers family. I was also curious to see how you see thinks. But I have been met, from some members (3-5) not all of course only of hatred without any reason.

It this hatred against Arabs continue I don't see any Arabs here on this forum. Not to talk about the widespread racism towards other peoples also. "

[Tjanaparh]

The Armenian user on this forum -Offended You personally You and not Your nation!
but You still shout like a a kid shownig with fingers!
It seems that You quiet love that conflict here!
Make the moderators do their job - they are not blind to see where is on racist offension or not!

[tor_khan]

Dear all,

Just recently, in the latest episode of bans, and according to Tor_Khan's thread, it appears a new member Al-Hanif has been banned. Yes, he did unfortunately make some racist comments, but when you look into the context of why he did, it becomes apparent that he did so in retaliation. Toramana has not been banned for the same exact violation of racism.

Briefly, I put up a Warning Message up about making racist remarks at the end of a thread that was getting out of hand. After the message went up, Al Hanif still went against it. A 5 day suspension followed with a request for him to calm down. However he immediately returned with two other accounts - a clear violation of house rules. I am not entertaining multiple accounts.

Yara da Bengali kho dair ghat janjali dai ... He seems to be an extremely complicated personility ---kind of impulsive as well...Actually, he doesn't remember it but it started when he and graveyard posted a thread in which he called us non-Pashtuns---and Al-Hanif and Al-Arab joined the chorus.

Now I wanted to give these two new non-Pashtun members some tough time for how they come and make us pariah on our forum of which we are members since its inception. So it got this ugly. But anyhow, the moderators can restore Al-Hanif and Al-Arabs membership. I'll leave.

You and Bengal Tiger are both making a point of not being able to share the same space as others with whom you don't agree. Decide what you want, but it's pointless call for the banning/unbanning of others to suit your own needs.

This is my post on another thread:

This whole thread is really unfair, I unblocked liar, racist and troublemaker Toramana to read this as a thread was opened about Tor_Khan's unfair moderating.

Tor_Khan is a slimey,smarmy, two faced Munafiq Pakistani.

Toramana provokes Al-Hanif who is a Berber (Berbers have always had and had issues with Arab supremacism) who can't take it anymore and snaps and reverts to sarcastic posts about Arab supremacism

Toramana, the lying white-wannabe Canadian Kafir dog who wants to kill Pashtuns baits, and baits and baits and provokes like he has been doing to me and Al-Hanif gets banned.

Tor_Khan is a disgusting, dirty, lowlife Paki like that other nasty Paki ****bag Mokadaar from Chaikhaana.

Tor_Khan even insulted my family in one thread.

Anyway Allah has punished Mokadaar (last I heard this dog was severely sick, and his stupid website has been removed).

Tor_Khan, a Munafiq Pakistani, ban me!!

Come on you slimey two-faced dhaal khor Pakistani!

What comes out of a person's head, is what is inside it. Now that you've got that off your chest Bengal Tiger, I hope you feel better.

It is up to you to adjust, but the truth is you are in a very lonely place. Your views on Pakistan will win you some support with some Members, but that's all you have in common with them. Beyond that it's just manipulation and the trouble is you are one in a long line of outside commentators whose agenda is divisive.

This isn't the first time when you've chosen to be indiscreet in public by cursing those around you claiming that Allah is your side. I don't exactly know how to respond to that except to say that the women in the village might relate to that level of histrionics. You decide yourself whether that kind of carry-on does the image of Muslims any good

As for the threats, why does it need to end with tears?

[graveyardofempires]

Dear admins,
I have noted that in recent discussions toramana, a very senior person has made very racist remarks against arabs by calling them camels, sand-negros etc in his every post related to arabs. Personally i dont like those arabs who are in superiority complex and look down upon south asians. But majority of arabs are very nice people. I know one thing and that in general pashtuns have great respect for arabs , so degrading comments about arabs on pashtunforums should'nt be tolerated. And also holy prophet p.b.u.h was an arab , so its like insulting our prophet (nauzubillah).
When toramana makes blunder he talks of leaving forum, an old tactic. After break he returns with his racist discussion. So before he runs, admins should banned him for few weeks.
NO TO RACISM.

actually he cant name our prophet so he uses the term arab to have a shot at muslims.
these mofos are giving us pashtuns a bad name on PF.
Tor khan and others shoudl really think about what they are doing when being lenient towards such characterless people.

[graveyardofempires]

Dear Tor khan

bengali here as a fellow muslims who wishes good for Afghans/pashtuns is by far 10000X better than these people who laugh at pashtuns,ridiculing our religion,culture,people,their clothes,their pukhtunwali.

i dotn understand why you guys have a special spot for these peopel and they and their anti pashtun agenda has been supported.

are you like them ,do you think pashtuns means anti muslim?

[IamDZJ]

I hate crybabies.

[reformomatic]

Briefly, I put up a Warning Message up about making racist remarks at the end of a thread that was getting out of hand. After the message went up, Al Hanif still went against it.[/QUOTE]

From the history of Toramana's posting, Toramana has been using racist terms before Al-Hanif joined this forum, so this is where this claim is fraught with inconsistency.

5 day suspension followed with a request for him to calm down.

Then apply the same principles you used on Toramana. The fact is you did not do this, and that that in itself indicates a major and flagrant inconsistency in the application of forum rules. Having said that, moderators or Administrators who slectively enforce rules need to step down for the sake of the forum, and the sake of unbiased, intellectual discussion.

However he immediately returned with two other accounts - a clear violation of house rules. I am not entertaining multiple accounts.

This is again an invalid response to the concerns being made here about selective use of forum rules. You should have banned both Toramana and Al-Hanif for the same reason, but you failed to do that, and this is the matter which is central to the point of this topic. You can not be an Administrator/moderator when you are selectively enforcing "rules" on some, but not on others. Toramana and Soldat_Amir have been using racist terminology even before Al Hanif joined this forum. You seem to be a highly attentive moderator to some posters, but not others. This in itself calls into question whether you should continue to administer/moderate this forum with such an apparent inconsistency?

It is up to you to adjust, but the truth is you are in a very lonely place. Your views on Pakistan will win you some support with some Members, but that's all you have in common with them. Beyond that it's just manipulation and the trouble is you are one in a long line of outside commentators whose agenda is divisive.

From the looks of it, members like Toramana, Levanye, Chelsea-Fan, Leonine, and Soldat_Amir are trying to paint a non-existent picture of Pashtuns. Someone of such thinking would not find any comfort in the Pashtun strongholds of Afghanistan which are just as Islamic as they are Pashtun. The truth hurts, and the truth is Bengal_Tiger with his views on Afghanistan would be more welcome in Qandahar or Wardak than Toramana and others whose views are anti to the vast majority of Afghans, especially Pashtuns.

Again, If you as you say are the one who banned Al-Hanif, then its high time you step down from moderating this forum. If you decide to continue, you are bringing the qualtiy of this forum down.

[reformomatic]

It remains that the moderator/Administrator selectively enforced rules. Al hanif was banned for the same violation as Toramana, but Toramana was left alone.

On this inconsistency and contradiction, this moderator/Administrator should step down.

It is highly degenerate for this forum when such inconsistencies exist, and I highly doubt such selective enforcement can be modified. So, best is to gracefully step away from moderating and administering this forum in an effort to keep this place fair.

Please take no offense, and heed this advice.

[gomal]

toramakha kaffir is a liar. in one post, he posted pictures of some random korean or japanese kids and said they were turi pashtuns from parachinar. that is how desperate he is. and also he did use racist remarks for no apparent reason against all arabs.