Talk on Moderation

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Are you refering to me? I have never called for massmurder nor have I seen Al-Hanafi do that. I am also no immigrant.

And why do you have Lenin as a avatar? A kafir and murderer of millions of people? Communism is the most deadly ideology and I have seen a few on this forum who support it. Have you forgot Soviets?

Very un-Islamic but if you are not a Muslim then you are excussed. But you could chose better policy than communism in my opinion.

Really? So someone can support OBL and Al-Qaeda and swim in their ideology and not be a proponent of mass-murder?

And are off-topic attacks another Arab trademark? Because that's exactly what your brother from another mother (Hanif) did as well.

Blaming Communism for the crimes of Stalin is like blaming Islam for the crimes of Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Tamerlane, Babur (the Mughal king) and countless others. Let's leave it at that - this is all unrelated to the discussion at hand.

[al-arab]

Where have I supported Al Qaeda or Osama Bin Laden?

Al-Hanafi was a Berber, not an Arab but that does not matter, I don't see you point?

No, but let me tell you this. Tell me just 1 single country where communism has succeeded.

Not believing in a Creator is kafir. I am sorry to say.

Communism preach so called equality but everyone know that communism is a racist ideology ruled by few tyrants. Normal people have nothing to say. Just ask Soviets, Yugoslavs, East Europeans and other people who have experienced communism first hand.

So you are communist rather than a Muslim? How come? You influenced you and why?

[Toramana]

We are not giving up Pashtun/Afghan Land to terrorists whoever they are Arabs or others. We Pashtuns/Afghans are the real owners of that land and all the terrorists and extremists who want to grab it for whoseever causes and glory ---of Arabs' or anybody-- must know that they will be defeated.

We Pashtun and Afghan nationalists ---the original owners will be the ultimate victors. That is the law of nature the terrorists and all subversive actors/elements must realise. The land returns to the real owner.


Musharaf Bangash New Album ___ Lar O Bar Pukhtana ___ Song Afghanistan _ 2011 / 2012 - YouTube[/URL]#!

[Toramana]

I will not discuss this with you again.

But let me ask you something else. What has Arabs done to you?

Do you hate all Arabs? Do you hate Saudis more than Iraqis? Morrocans more than Omanis?

Why do you target every Arab on this forum or Pashtun who don't have a problem with Arab?

Thanks. I have studied all that and far more beyond what you have suggested.

One thing I can't understand though is, are you associated with some heritic, violent/terrorist ideology trying to impose an un-natural extremist order/interpretation of Islam on common people who want to follow traditional flexible Islam or what?

It sounds to me so.

[al-arab]

We are not giving up Pashtun/Afghan Land to terrorists whoever they are Arabs or others. We Pashtuns/Afghans are the real owners of that land and all the terrorists and extremists who want to grab it for whoseever causes and glory of Arabs' or anybody must know that they will be defeated.

We Pashtun and Afghan nationalists ---the original owners will be the ultimate victors. That is the law of nature the terrorists and all subversive actors must realise.


Musharaf Bangash New Album ___ Lar O Bar Pukhtana ___ Song Afghanistan _ 2011 / 2012 - YouTube[/URL]#!

You are not very clever. Most Arabs don't even know where Pashtuns live. We don't claim Pashtun land nor is it ours. What a ridicules claim. But you can not forbide fellow Muslims from fighting along Pashtuns when they are invited openly nor anywhere else!

Who do you support in Afghanistan?

[Toramana]

You are not very clever. Most Arabs don't even know where Pashtuns live. We don't claim Pashtun land nor is it ours. What a ridicules claim. But you can not forbide fellow Muslims from fighting along Pashtuns when they are invited openly nor anywhere else!

Who do you support in Afghanistan?

It may be true many Arabs might not know that but the terrorists amongst them and other Arab individuals and groups inspired by Al-Qaueda or similar terrorist ideologies know Pashtun Land very well and are aware of its strategic value. They consider it to be one of the many war-fronts radicalised Arabs want to use for re-gaining the Arab glory.

They i.e., the Arab, Uzbak, etc. terrorists are uninvited guests that have killed thousands of Pashtuns heneously including tribal elders as well as ordinary Pashtuns to eliminate local resistance to their presence and to grab that land for their subversive activities including terrorist training camps. 9/11 was launched from such a training camp.

99.9% Pashtuns/Afghans are tradional Muslims that want to follow traditional Islam and live in peace. They don't want to follow the violent Islam of terrorists. So it is wrong to claim that the Arab terrorists were invited by Afghans/Pashtuns.

[al-arab]

Might be true, it is truth. Pashtun is not even a official country, so what do you expect. I also don't expect you to know the difference between Iraqi Arabic and Morroccan Arabic. Nor know which Iraqi tribes are Sayyid or not.

Not all Mujahideens were terrorists. Most where descent Arabs who helped their fellow Muslims brothers in need and moved home when the War with the Soviets ended.

You better show more respect to people that helped your country.

What some few Al-Qaeda members did I can not take responsibility for, nor do I want to do that since it is ridicules. FIrst of all Al-Qaeda do not only consists of Arabs second of all you Pashtuns have Taliban which is way bigger than Taliban. So what is your point?

How founded Taliban? Arabs or Pashtuns. Yes, Pashtuns.

No, 9/11 was launched in Europe, USA. By WESTERN Arabs who had lived and studied in Europe and USA. Not ordinary Arabs or Pashtuns. Your logic is full of racism and thus why kafir behaviour.

You have not answered me. Who do you support in Afghanistan.

[Karachi]

Come on Pakistani boy Dhal_Khor Khan.

Come on!

Come on and ban me, you lying slimey two-faced hypocrite.

I don't give a f*** about you and your forum.

Your buddy Mok-Gaddar that American Pakistani ****bag got what he deserved.

Reformatic is absolutely right, you are a complete and utter disgrace, you slimey, smarmy, sarcastic, hypocrite Pakistani.

Toramana the racist Kafir was provoking and provoking and insulting, and gets away with murder.

This is a disgrace, come on...little slimey Pakistani pu**y...come and press that little button to ban me.

what an idiot your are, seriously

[Toramana]

Might be true, it is truth. Pashtun is not even a official country, so what do you expect. I also don't expect you to know the difference between Iraqi Arabic and Morroccan Arabic. Nor know which Iraqi tribes are Sayyid or not.

Not all Mujahideens were terrorists. Most where descent Arabs who helped their fellow Muslims brothers in need and moved home when the War with the Soviets ended.

You better show more respect to people that helped your country.

What some few Al-Qaeda members did I can not take responsibility for, nor do I want to do that since it is ridicules. FIrst of all Al-Qaeda do not only consists of Arabs second of all you Pashtuns have Taliban which is way bigger than Taliban. So what is your point?

How founded Taliban? Arabs or Pashtuns. Yes, Pashtuns.

No, 9/11 was launched in Europe, USA. By WESTERN Arabs who had lived and studied in Europe and USA. Not ordinary Arabs or Pashtuns. Your logic is full of racism and thus why kafir behaviour.

You have not answered me. Who do you support in Afghanistan.

Their master-minds, financers, logistic planners, etc. e.g., Aimen Al-Zawahiri, Osama Bin Laden, etc. were not Europe or USA based as most of the terrorists (most were from SA) were also not. Man, you are hanging by straws trying to deny the obvious (you are too much blinded by your nationalism no matter how do you disguise it as Islam).

Although, I am not obliged to give answers to your questions, I want to tell you that I am for the peace and progress of my people and want that their lives don't get disrupted by mostly foreign-injected terrorism and who could pass their lives according to our traditional culture and tradiotional peaceful interpretation of Islam.

[al-arab]

Lol. Most of this people were highly educated people who had studied in Europe and US. Al-Qaeda consists of about 1000-2000 people worldwide. There are 400 million Arabs worldwide. Go figure the rest out.....

I can inform you that Taliban are 5 times bigger than Al-Qaeda and they are not even a global organization.

You call Taliban peaceful interpretation of Islam? I suppose you support Taliban as do most Pashtuns in Afghanistan/Pakistan, since you don't want to tell. Sohypocrisy from you big time again.

I am Muslim foremost and Arab second. And I will protect that from stupid racist like you who' dont know anything, not even about your own people. I bet you don't even live in Afghanistan, nor have you done for years.

And the people you refer to as heroes are known Pashtuns nationalists but at the same time you critize me for protecting Arabs from racist like you?

You are an idiot, that is what you are. You should follow your own advice and disappear from this forum ant take your un-Islamic views, propaganda, lies, hypocrisy and constant provocations and racism with you.

I won't reply to your stupid posts anymore. Enough is enough. You have shown ZERO respect even though I tolerated your views without calling you anything. You are an embarrasment for Pashtuns and Muslims more importantly.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

This latest spat displeases the Amir greatly, for Pashtun Forums is his abode, and he dislikes tyranny and oppression in this land

As a staunch Pakhtun, and as your friendly neighbourhood pro Islamic non believer, I feel I can play a vital mediation role

[Soldat_Amir]

This latest spat displeases the Amir greatly, for Pashtun Forums is his abode, and he dislikes tyranny and oppression in this land

As a staunch Pakhtun, and as your friendly neighbourhood pro Islamic non believer, I feel I can play a vital mediation role

Lewanay, are you playing to much age of empires hahaha that was funny!

[Soldat_Amir]

Come on Pakistani boy Dhal_Khor Khan.

Come on!

Come on and ban me, you lying slimey two-faced hypocrite.

I don't give a f*** about you and your forum.

Your buddy Mok-Gaddar that American Pakistani ****bag got what he deserved.

Reformatic is absolutely right, you are a complete and utter disgrace, you slimey, smarmy, sarcastic, hypocrite Pakistani.

Toramana the racist Kafir was provoking and provoking and insulting, and gets away with murder.

This is a disgrace, come on...little slimey Pakistani pu**y...come and press that little button to ban me.

What I find amazing, is a Bengali from White Londonistan, is here, causing dispute between our Pashtun members and Admin team. I have had my differences with Tor Khan, he has banned me many times in the past, sometimes with crude explanations, but hes also forgiven me with even more chances to improve what he terms my "Un-Drun" ways.

I think your insults are kind of harsh, and funny at the same time, how can you say Allah has cursed the owner of ChaiKana by making his dog sick, one can say in return, has Allah cursed your Bengladesh with constant floods and malnutrition?

Why do these confused western born south east asians always put people down with the whole "White Wannabe" comments, seeking to progress your people out of backwardness has nothing to do with wanting to be White.Plus one can return the insult by saying, Bengal_Tiger is a Arab Wannabe!

You flood this forum with threads that relate to Bengladesh's progression as a nation, you boast of your secularism and respect for other faiths, yet when a Pashtun brings up such things, you return the comment with Kaffir, Secularist flith, Imran Khan will save Pakistan, Pashtuns are mujahideen fighters etc etc etc

I think you are big contradicition and confused.

Your not a Pashtun, your a Bengladeshi whose roots probaby end at bombay.

You have this deluded view of Pashtun society, as if all Pashtuns will welcome your views.

Even though you share the same faith as Pashtuns, if I was to ever take you to a Maseed/Wazir village, they would say to me, "Da bingalai shook dai"
I dont want to sound racist, but that will happen, so dont get your hopes too high up!

[Michin Khel]

I dont know about al-hanif but toramana is a very racist person. He looks down upon south asians and arabs, though i have heard that he himself is a dark-skinned person.
I have already complained to admin about toramana for his repeated attempt to provoke me by calling me a jat and sikh.

[al-arab]

I dont know about al-hanif but toramana is a very racist person. He looks down upon south asians and arabs, though i have heard that he himself is a dark-skinned person.
I have already complained to admin about toramana for his repeated attempt to provoke me by calling me a jat and sikh.

I also reported him of continues racism without any reasons. This resulted in Al-Hanafi getting a ban and this Toranama racist is still around spreading his hatred and racism.

When you confront him he is not able to answer. He is even afraid to tell who he support and why. He hides and is a hypocrit.