Origin of white race(Aryan) go back to region of recent day Afghanistan

[sahil112]

DNA research has made some amazing discoveries. i am about to add to that and i hope people will consider it and give their opinion on it.

i would like to start this off by asking a simple question. why is it that afghan people are each so different and unique? like hair, eye color and the way they look?
here are some pictures of what i mean:
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if we look at say indians and pakistanis there is not much difference between them as they look the same.

this is also the same with say chinese, Japanese people.

And then you get black people who all look same like same eye color and hair etc.

only the afghans or Aryan kind of people seem to be very unique.

there is a theory which goes to say scientist have found that the first ever blond and red hair appeared in afghanistan and that these people moved out and migrated to areas like russia and other Northern European countries. the Nordics DNA testing proves this, spaniards or eastern Europeans or italian they all have jewish blood but the nords like the german and the Norwegians and russians do not. the Pashtuns are said to have the purest race because of their strict codes of and that they only marry another pashtun.

here is a video which can give you a bit more insight.
YouTube - Origin of White People Race (North European)

[sahil112]

I will be adding more to this video tomorrow inshallah and this coming week so keep watching out for this thread

[Feroza_Banu]

i am really interested to know. please post more information about it.

[Manzareh]

The Pashtuns are likely the original Aryan race. Their facial features are sharper than those of most Europeans.

A few thousand years ago, large numbers of sharp-nosed, dolichocephalic Aryans (Pashtun) migrated out of the cold, icy mountains of the Afghanistan/ north Pakistan regions towards the milder climates and more fertile landscapes of Europe and India.
In Europe, they obviously encountered the more snub-nosed, brachycephalic (broad-headed) Gauls/Celts and Slavs. They were often at war with the Celts and Slavs, but there was probably some intermarriage as well as trade and commerce between the European Celts, Gauls and Slavs on the one hand, and the Aryan invaders on the other. This would explain why Europeans appear to have a mixture (to varying degrees) of snub Celtic/Slavic features, combined with the sharper features of the Ancient Aryan (Afghan) invaders. In India, the Aryans encountered the snub-nosed, "black-skinned" Dravidians, and the Rig Veda indicates considerable warfare. The light-skinned, sharp-featured Aryans established a brutal "caste-system" in India. However, even here, I believe there was eventually (over the centuries) some racial inter-mixture and political accommodation between perhaps the poorer segments of the Aryan population and the down-trodden Dravidians. All of this would also explain why the Celtic, Slavic and Indian languages have a noticeable Aryan influence, and are thus part of the "Indo-European" group of languages, a name which reflects the migrations of the Aryans, who invaded Europe and India.Of course, the bulk of the Aryans remained in their original homeland (the areas that are now part of north western Pakistan and eastern and southern Afghanistan). Dont forget the ancient name of this region is "Aryana".

Hope this helps

[Manzareh]

also when they say ancient aryans, they really mean ANCIENT lol

[KhalsaWarrior]

Not to dampen your pride in your Afghan ethnicity but here's a discussion on Aryan history we had a few months ago. Read on and od not miss the bold part.

Historically, its never been proven who the Aryans were, where they came from (apart from approximations) and (this is important) how they looked. Somebody quoted the Aryan invasion theory. Well AIT is still unproven. Many later historians refer to the Aryan entry into the Indian subcontinent as a mixing or assimilation of two cultures - Harrappan and Aryan rather than an invasion. Currently there are two schools of thought amongst historians in India, both subscribing to either of the above scenarios.

I was fortunate to be acquainted with Ms. Romila Thapar, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romila_Thapar the eminent Indian historian. Her books on Ancient India are a prerequisite to understanding India and its connection to the Aryans. She mentions that the Vedas, Upanishads and the Puranas, supposedly the earliest written records of the Aryans offer no insight into their physical appearances. They dont mention whether they were tall, blue eyed or fair. All they talk about is their rituals, daily happenings, poems and hymns. So the German or North European characteristic as the defining Aryan appearance is highly misleading. We have no way of determining if the current appearance of the Germans is due to the original Aryan appearance or due to the mixing with later tribes/ethnicities.

And here's the thread-
http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashtun...es-today-3998/

[Manzareh]

Khalsa, i think whoever wrote that post has gone so deep into the Aryan term that they have confused themselves lol, There is historians that come to the conclusion that the word "Aryan" has no racial meaning. The word "Aryan" (they say) was a linguistic term, now obsolete, and has been replaced by the term 'Indo-European'. which is also not a racial term, it is a linguistic term for a group of languages with common roots but distinguishable from one another today. 'Aryan' (they say) has gradually developed into a 'racial' term by perversion of history...

...BUT! the confusion is here, when you say "supposedly the earliest written records of the Aryans offer no insight into their physical appearances." we dont need any written records for DNA test or to work out how humans developed there features and were the features of recent so called "Aryans" came from..SO even though there might not be any solid findings of the colour of skin or eyes according to the word "Aryan" you can STILL prove that the "Aryans that people call today" decended from Ariana/Iran/Pashtuns or whatever theory you call it or where they came from, from simply anylising features through history and then match the features with DNA and pigmentation from the people in which the features are from originally...for example my previous post describing:

"large numbers of sharp-nosed, dolichocephalic Aryans (Pashtun) migrated out of the cold, icy mountains of the Afghanistan/ north Pakistan regions towards the milder climates and more fertile landscapes of Europe and India.
In Europe, they obviously encountered the more snub-nosed, brachycephalic (broad-headed) Gauls/Celts and Slavs. They were often at war with the Celts and Slavs, but there was probably some intermarriage as well as trade and commerce between the European Celts, Gauls and Slavs"

[KhalsaWarrior]

Khalsa, i think whoever wrote that post has gone so deep into the Aryan term that they have confused themselves lol, There is historians that come to the conclusion that the word "Aryan" has no racial meaning. The word "Aryan" (they say) was a linguistic term, now obsolete, and has been replaced by the term 'Indo-European'. which is also not a racial term, it is a linguistic term for a group of languages with common roots but distinguishable from one another today. 'Aryan' (they say) has gradually developed into a 'racial' term by perversion of history...

...BUT! the confusion is here, when you say "supposedly the earliest written records of the Aryans offer no insight into their physical appearances." we dont need any written records for DNA test or to work out how humans developed there features and were the features of recent so called "Aryans" came from..SO even though there might not be any solid findings of the colour of skin or eyes according to the word "Aryan" you can STILL prove that the "Aryans that people call today" decended from Ariana/Iran/Pashtuns or whatever theory you call it or where they came from, from simply anylising features through history and then match the features with DNA and pigmentation from the people in which the features are from originally...for example my previous post describing:

"large numbers of sharp-nosed, dolichocephalic Aryans (Pashtun) migrated out of the cold, icy mountains of the Afghanistan/ north Pakistan regions towards the milder climates and more fertile landscapes of Europe and India.
In Europe, they obviously encountered the more snub-nosed, brachycephalic (broad-headed) Gauls/Celts and Slavs. They were often at war with the Celts and Slavs, but there was probably some intermarriage as well as trade and commerce between the European Celts, Gauls and Slavs"

What my post in that thread referred to was the use of the term Aryan and its perceived synonimity with "pure white race". Again, there's no way we could prove that Aryans who are first described in the Vedas and Puaranas were 'white' or 'Caucasoid'. That is simply because we don't know how they looked.

[Manzareh]

Yes, but whatever you want to call "the first whites" whether it be "Aryan" or "White people" when people give refrence to being the original aryans they actually mean "Light-skinned" people. But your right people need to know or atleast be sure of words and where they came from before using them.

[Manzareh]

Khalsa, to add to this, you claim that:

"there's no way we could prove that Aryans who are first described in the Vedas and Puaranas were 'white' or 'Caucasoid'. That is simply because we don't know how they looked."

However ther is extensive talking in the Rig Veda of Aryans and there physical appearences. For example 'Indra' or Devenagari the 'King of the Gods' or 'Devas' was the an Aryan God in ancient Hindu mythology.

Now let me give you some examples:

THE “ARYAN COLOR” – IN THE RIG VEDA


The Rig Veda praises the god who "destroyed the Dasyans and protected the Aryan colour." - Rg.V. III 34.9


It then goes on to thank the god who "bestowed on his white friends the fields, bestowed the sun, bestowed the waters." - Rg.V. I 100.18


Black skin is repeatedly referred to with abhorrence in the Rig Veda:


starting with a description of the "black skin" (`Krishnam Vacham') in RgV. IX 41.1, Sam. V I.491 and II.242.


For example in RgV. IX 73 it is said that “stormy gods who rush on like furious bulls and scatter the black skin", and it claims that “the black skin, the hated of Indra" will be swept out of heaven - RgV. IX 73.5


Rg.V. I 130.8 tells of how the “black skin” was conquered:


"Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin."


The Rig Veda thanks god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent", and for stamping out "the vile Dasyan colour." - Rg.V. II.20.7, II 12.4



It also contains this choice remark which sums up the Aryan’s opinion of their non-White subjects: "Black skin is impious" (‘Dasam varnam adharam’) -Sans., Rg.V. II.12.4


Other extracts from the Rig Veda further illustrate the sharp racial divisions in this time:


Indra - 1.130.8 - "Indra in battles help his Aryan worshipper, he who hath hundred helps at hand in every fray, in frays that win the light of heaven. Plaguing the lawless he gave up to Manu's seed the dusky skin; Blazing, 'twere, he burns each covetous man away, he burns, the tyrannous away."


Indra - 4.16.13 - "Thou to the son of Vidathin, Rjisvan, gavest up mighty Mrgaya and Pipru. Thou smotest down the swarthy fifty thousand, and rentest forts as age consumes a garment."


Indra - 5.29.10 - "One car-wheel of the Sun thou rolledst forward, and one thou settest free to move for Kutsa. Thou slewest noseless Dasyus with thy weapon, and in their home o'erthrewest hostile speakers."


("Noseless Dasyus" would suggest a reference to flat nosed Negroid types)



Soma Pavamana - 9.41.1 - "ACTIVE and bright have they come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls, driving the black skin far away."


Soma Pavamana - 9.73.5 - "O'er Sire and Mother they have roared in unison bright with the verse of praise, burning up riteless men, Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates."


RIG VEDA DESCRIBES ARYAN GODS AS BLONDS


Indra - 10.23.4 - "With him too is this rain of his that comes like herds: Indra throws drops of moisture on his yellow beard. When the sweet juice is shed he seeks the pleasant place, and stirs the worshipper as wind disturbs the wood."


Indra - 10.96.8 - "At the swift draught the Soma-drinker waxed in might, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair. He, Lord of Tawny Coursers, Lord of fleet-foot Mares, will bear his Bay Steeds safely over all distress."


Indra - 1.9.3 - "O Lord of all men, fair of cheek, rejoice thee in the gladdening lauds, Present at these drink-offerings."


INDRA’S WEAPON: THOR’S LIGHTENING BOLT?


In what could easily be another indicator of the common cultural origins between the Rig Veda and the Indo-European gods, Indra’s greatest weapon is said, in the Rig Veda, to be a lightening bolt – identical to the weapon of Thor, the Northern European God:



Indra - 1.100.18 - "He, much invoked, hath slain Dasyus and Simyus, after his wont, and laid them low with arrows. The mighty Thunderer with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, the sunlight, and the waters."


And plenty more if you want me to post anymore written descriptions of Aryans.

[Shamaar]

DNA research has made some amazing discoveries. i am about to add to that and i hope people will consider it and give their opinion on it.

i would like to start this off by asking a simple question. why is it that afghan people are each so different and unique? like hair, eye color and the way they look?
here are some pictures of what i mean:

if we look at say indians and pakistanis there is not much difference between them as they look the same.

this is also the same with say chinese, Japanese people.

And then you get black people who all look same like same eye color and hair etc.

only the afghans or Aryan kind of people seem to be very unique.

there is a theory which goes to say scientist have found that the first ever blond and red hair appeared in afghanistan and that these people moved out and migrated to areas like russia and other Northern European countries. the Nordics DNA testing proves this, spaniards or eastern Europeans or italian they all have jewish blood but the nords like the german and the Norwegians and russians do not. the Pashtuns are said to have the purest race because of their strict codes of and that they only marry another pashtun.

Bro, I am very skeptical about these sorts of claims. We Pashtuns have a really wide spectrum of genetic ancestries. I've said this many times before, so bear with me, but a number of Pashtuns I know have taken genetic tests, including myself, and we all got different backgrounds. If you were to take mass genetic tests from Pashtun areas, you would see the same results.

Calling Pashtuns a pure race doesn't make sense at all. History shows that Pashtuns are most likely a confederation of different peoples who united under Pashto and Pashtunwali. If anything, Aryan peoples were just one component of the number of nations that made up Pashtun people.

[kakargirl]

manzareh thanks for the strong post 's, now as for khalsa your not dampening nothing at all it took 50 years to conduct this study my own father was a part of the scientist from oxford to conduct this study for years ,things only started moving when D N A could be tested and studied properly scientists have gone across the globe for this study, so its not here say study its based on scientific facts , they've taken samples of D N A FROM IRAN AND AFGHANISTAN AND then they've taken samples from every other countries too, the results were the nordic people are from iran and afghanistan yes some pashtuns have mixed genetics who have mixed with others but not all this is because of strict family code system where people married each other from same families for example my own family and loads of other like kakars sadozais and many more pastun tribes afridis and yusafzais ect the study shows that most purest race in the world at the moment is afghan pashtuns many afghans have very sharp nordic features and scientist have been interrested in this for years now this forum is not to do with aryan's all though afghanistan's old name was ariana and the air line is called ariana too but no one know's what aryan means most say it means a symbol of peace so its not about the word at all its about what scientist have found out in the west that the nordics descend from the these two lands AFGHANISTAN AND IRAN the study was carried out by all western countries not asia and after soldiers come back they often questioned why they saw blonde children and women there now they know and have posted there comments due this video too but lot irish d n a has been tested too AND THERE ROOTS GO BACK TO THESE TWO PLACES so meaning of the thread is origin of white race .

[roadrunner]

You've not given any evidence that red hair etc originated in Afghanistan. Any links?

[roadrunner]

what a ridiculous topic to be discussing. But here is my two cents. I think Pashtuns come from the lost tribes of Israel, and by the way, Aryan in sanskrit means noble blood - thats all

This is not true. There's some talk of this, but there's enough genetic proof that Pashtuns are not a semitic people.

[KhalsaWarrior]

Khalsa, to add to this, you claim that:

"there's no way we could prove that Aryans who are first described in the Vedas and Puaranas were 'white' or 'Caucasoid'. That is simply because we don't know how they looked."

However ther is extensive talking in the Rig Veda of Aryans and there physical appearences. For example 'Indra' or Devenagari the 'King of the Gods' or 'Devas' was the an Aryan God in ancient Hindu mythology.

Now let me give you some examples:

THE “ARYAN COLOR” – IN THE RIG VEDA


The Rig Veda praises the god who "destroyed the Dasyans and protected the Aryan colour." - Rg.V. III 34.9


It then goes on to thank the god who "bestowed on his white friends the fields, bestowed the sun, bestowed the waters." - Rg.V. I 100.18


Black skin is repeatedly referred to with abhorrence in the Rig Veda:


starting with a description of the "black skin" (`Krishnam Vacham') in RgV. IX 41.1, Sam. V I.491 and II.242.


For example in RgV. IX 73 it is said that “stormy gods who rush on like furious bulls and scatter the black skin", and it claims that “the black skin, the hated of Indra" will be swept out of heaven - RgV. IX 73.5


Rg.V. I 130.8 tells of how the “black skin” was conquered:


"Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin."


The Rig Veda thanks god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent", and for stamping out "the vile Dasyan colour." - Rg.V. II.20.7, II 12.4



It also contains this choice remark which sums up the Aryan’s opinion of their non-White subjects: "Black skin is impious" (‘Dasam varnam adharam’) -Sans., Rg.V. II.12.4


Other extracts from the Rig Veda further illustrate the sharp racial divisions in this time:


Indra - 1.130.8 - "Indra in battles help his Aryan worshipper, he who hath hundred helps at hand in every fray, in frays that win the light of heaven. Plaguing the lawless he gave up to Manu's seed the dusky skin; Blazing, 'twere, he burns each covetous man away, he burns, the tyrannous away."


Indra - 4.16.13 - "Thou to the son of Vidathin, Rjisvan, gavest up mighty Mrgaya and Pipru. Thou smotest down the swarthy fifty thousand, and rentest forts as age consumes a garment."


Indra - 5.29.10 - "One car-wheel of the Sun thou rolledst forward, and one thou settest free to move for Kutsa. Thou slewest noseless Dasyus with thy weapon, and in their home o'erthrewest hostile speakers."


("Noseless Dasyus" would suggest a reference to flat nosed Negroid types)



Soma Pavamana - 9.41.1 - "ACTIVE and bright have they come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls, driving the black skin far away."


Soma Pavamana - 9.73.5 - "O'er Sire and Mother they have roared in unison bright with the verse of praise, burning up riteless men, Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates."


RIG VEDA DESCRIBES ARYAN GODS AS BLONDS


Indra - 10.23.4 - "With him too is this rain of his that comes like herds: Indra throws drops of moisture on his yellow beard. When the sweet juice is shed he seeks the pleasant place, and stirs the worshipper as wind disturbs the wood."


Indra - 10.96.8 - "At the swift draught the Soma-drinker waxed in might, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair. He, Lord of Tawny Coursers, Lord of fleet-foot Mares, will bear his Bay Steeds safely over all distress."


Indra - 1.9.3 - "O Lord of all men, fair of cheek, rejoice thee in the gladdening lauds, Present at these drink-offerings."


INDRA’S WEAPON: THOR’S LIGHTENING BOLT?


In what could easily be another indicator of the common cultural origins between the Rig Veda and the Indo-European gods, Indra’s greatest weapon is said, in the Rig Veda, to be a lightening bolt – identical to the weapon of Thor, the Northern European God:



Indra - 1.100.18 - "He, much invoked, hath slain Dasyus and Simyus, after his wont, and laid them low with arrows. The mighty Thunderer with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, the sunlight, and the waters."


And plenty more if you want me to post anymore written descriptions of Aryans.

Manzareh, I dont mean to doubt your sources. But those words and their meanings often get lost in translations to English. Of all the books that I have read, they were all overwhelming sure about the lack of veracity in the white antecedents of the Aryans. As prince pointed out, Aryans referred to a noble or an exalted status.

And wrt Gods being fair skinned - Krishna the most worshiped avatars of Vishnu is darker skinned. And so is Shiva, part of the holy trinity of Hindu Gods.

And its really pointless talking about a "white race". Apart from satisfying our anthropological curiosity it doesnt tell us anything interesting.