Who were Indus valley people?

[tilla_jogian]

Not really, since modern day pakistanis and north indians are genetically the same, it is stupid to think that Indians have nothing to do with it

any proof? Unless you mean IoK and indian punjab.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Not really, since modern day pakistanis and north indians are genetically the same, it is stupid to think that Indians have nothing to do with it

Please read my post again.

*Anything that fall under the ancient IVC map by default belongs to Pakistan.
*Most of the North indians by default are Pakistanis.

[Karachi]

Please read my post again.

*Anything that fall under the ancient IVC map by default belongs to Pakistan.
*Most of the North indians by default are Pakistanis.

What a joke man, you seriously think (Pakistan) existed prior to 67 years ago? did you know under the british period how many people from rest of India were living in pakistani cities and how many of present day Pakistan were living in India countries. The answer is many. It was the same country. Even today if you go to Delhi, UP areas, you will think you are in Pakistan

Even Younis Khan who travels to India many times says the same thing at the end in this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZqLndYRpYY

so stop acting like a idiot, you are only making a fool out of yourself

[Karachi]

any proof? Unless you mean IoK and indian punjab.

Yes go to Harrapa ancestry genetics website. You will see that all south asians are related, North Indians in general are less then 5-10% different from Punjabis and Sindhis, which clearly says they are the same people, while the difference between a pakistani punjabi and pakistani baloch/pashtun is much larger. It is common sense.

[tilla_jogian]

Yes go to Harrapa ancestry genetics website. You will see that all south asians are related, North Indians in general are less then 5-10% different from Punjabis and Sindhis, which clearly says they are the same people, while the difference between a pakistani punjabi and pakistani baloch/pashtun is much larger. It is common sense.

I already said Paki punjabis are related to Indian punjabis even if not 100% similar. From the link

''Discovering the narrative of peoples from the Greater Indus Valley—which comprises much of modern-day Pakistan and northwest India—is more challenging because the text of the Indus Valley civilization is still undeciphered, and known and excavated burial sites are rare.''

[Karachi]

I already said Paki punjabis are related to Indian punjabis even if not 100% similar. From the link

''Discovering the narrative of peoples from the Greater Indus Valley—which comprises much of modern-day Pakistan and northwest India—is more challenging because the text of the Indus Valley civilization is still undeciphered, and known and excavated burial sites are rare.''

not just Indian punjabis, but even to Rajhistanis, Gujraties, Delhi, UP

[tilla_jogian]

not just Indian punjabis, but even to Rajhistanis, Gujraties, Delhi, UP

Pakistani muhajirs and dalits are similar to high caste people from UP/Delhi/Rajasthani. Some comunties in Sindh are similar to some comunties castes in Gujarat like Memons for exemple are similar to Gujarati lohanas but not similar to every Gujararti.

It all depends on ethnic group/caste/tribe/region. Very complicated science.

Check this out.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...V3JoYlE#gid=62

[Karachi]

Pakistani muhajirs and dalits are similar to high caste people from UP/Delhi/Rajasthani. Some comunties in Sindh are similar to some comunties castes in Gujarat like Memons for exemple are similar to Gujarati lohanas but not similar to every Gujararti.

It all depends on ethnic group/caste/tribe/region. Very complicated science.

Check this out.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...V3JoYlE#gid=62

are you talking out of your ass?

I look at the harrapa project and UP brahmins and UP muslims are 35-40% South Indian component and 33-37% Baloch

While Pakistani punjabis are usually 32-36% South Indian component and 38-40% Baloch component

^ these are the two components in south asians, and the numbers are pretty close.

The low caste population everywhere will have much higher south indian competent. Unfortunatly punjabi low caste was never tested, in reality they will much higher south indian

[tilla_jogian]

are you talking out of your ass?

I look at the harrapa project and UP brahmins and UP muslims are 35-40% South Indian component and 33-37% Baloch

While Pakistani punjabis are usually 32-36% South Indian component and 38-40% Baloch component

^ these are the two components in south asians, and the numbers are pretty close.

The low caste population everywhere will have much higher south indian competent. Unfortunatly punjabi low caste was never tested, in reality they will much higher south indian

I just posted link with latest admixture calculators, unlike you I am not talking out of my ass. High caste Punjabis are usually 28-32%, average being 30%. Yes UP pathans have average of 35%, but we all know why that is the case, when Pakistani original pakhtun with 20-24% will mix with upper caste UP women then end result will be 35%. And punjabi low caste were tested, they turned out to be like high caste UP people. Only few UP pathans have lower % and UP brahmins but still higher then average high caste punjabi.

Common sense my dear friend.

Also you just made up numbers, only ashraf UP (pathans, shia iranis etc) have average of 35%. Other muslims have 53% and high caste kashtriya hindus 45%, brahmin 39%, which proves my point that Paki dalits are similar to high caste UP people. Plus there are differences in other componenets as well.

[Karachi]

I just posted link with latest admixture calculators, unlike you I am not talking out of my ass. Punjabis are usually 28-35%, average being 32%. Yes UP pathans have 40% but we all know why that is the case, when Pakistani original pakhtun with 20-24% will mix with upper caste UP women then end result will be 40%. And yes punjabi low caste were tested, they turned out to be like high casteUP people. Only few UP pathans have lower % and UP brahmins but still higher then average high caste punjabi.

Common sense my dear friend.

Also you just made up numbers, only ashraf UP (pathans, shia iranis etc) have average of 35%. Other muslims have 53% and high caste kashtriya hindus 45%, brahmin 39%, which proves my point that Paki dalits are similar to them. Plus there are differences in other componenets as well.

Punjabi low caste are not tested at all, where are the numbers? stop speaking out of your ass

and how do you know those UP muslims are Iranis, Shias etc.. again speaking out of your ass.

Yes average UP low cast will over 50% south indian component, but average Punjabi low caste logically will be much higher south indian, most likely between 40-50%. Since we know that Mid and lower castes make majority of south asian. Punjabi average would be some where between 35-40% range south indian, while UP average would be 45-50% south indian

The pashtun averages in pakistan are suspect, since we dont know who was exactly tested, the afghan pashtuns are much lower south indian

[tilla_jogian]

Punjabi low caste are not tested at all, where are the numbers? stop speaking out of your ass

and how do you know those UP muslims are Iranis, Shias etc.. again speaking out of your ass.

Yes average UP low cast will over 50% south indian component, but average Punjabi low caste logically will be much higher south indian, most likely between 40-50%. Since we know that Mid and lower castes make majority of south asian. Punjabi average would be some where between 35-40% range south indian, while UP average would be 45-50% south indian

The pashtun averages in pakistan are suspect, since we dont know who was exactly tested, the afghan pashtuns are much lower south indian

You are again not making any sense. 35-40%? Lmao when majority of results points toward 28-32% with average being 30% in punjabis. And indian punjabi chamer was tested with just over 40%. Some more dalits chuhras were tested in punjab with 51%. Make sense because chamar are mid caste in punjab. Combined both chamer and dalits are 15% of native punjab population in rural areas according to official British census.

And now you are saying that Afghani pashtuns are real ones because they have less SA? I think you should just stop, you are one dumb troll. Yes we all are similar to bhaiyas, be happy now.

[khushal]

But europe per capita income on average is 50 times higher than Pakistan.

Whether pakistanis turned it into a toilet or whatever,no one can refute the claim that indeed Pakistanis are the indigenous people of IVC and the true successor state of ancient India.

And those region of India falling under the ancient IVC map belong to Pakistan including the people(sikh,gujrati,kashmiri,rajistani etc)

Ancient India was hindu, are you hindu?

[tilla_jogian]

Ancient India was hindu, are you hindu?

Ancient Pakistan was rig vedic and bhudist, only ganga valley was hindu.

[Karachi]

You are again not making any sense. 35-40%? Lmao when majority of results points toward 28-32% with average being 30% in punjabis. And indian punjabi chamer was tested with just over 40%. Some more dalits chuhras were tested in punjab with 51%. Make sense because chamar are mid caste in punjab. Combined both chamer and dalits are 15% of native punjab population in rural areas according to official British census.

And now you are saying that Afghani pashtuns are real ones because they have less SA? I think you should just stop, you are one dumb troll. Yes we all are similar to bhaiyas, be happy now.

You yourself are saying that punjabi low castes are between 40-50% south indian, how will the punjabi average will be 30% then? you are obviously lowering the numbers just so you can claim more west asian ancestry

Also going back to the thread Indus valley people were mostly like much more south indian (component) espeically since they existed before the invasions from west asia

[Karachi]

Ancient Pakistan was rig vedic and bhudist, only ganga valley was hindu.

again stupidity, then why did so many hindus live in modern pakistan region???