Afghanistan's Ethnic Groups Share a Y-Chromosomal Heritage

[Kushan Prince]

Then check the editing history, and you think I'm unaware that farsi was referred to as dari for political purposes? I literally opened the site up tonight since I'm bored and my gf is with her parents and quite literally I had nothing else to do.

Honestly I just find it funny to find racism by you against tajiks who are not only your countrymen but one of the sources of knowledge of the very religion the other guy here is so adamant on following.

I'm out for real this time, don't bother replying. Not even sure why I want to have any sort of discussion here with educated buffoons.

I don't hate anybody, i just hate ignorant people who have no idea what they are talking about. You talk about religion when in Islam it is wrong to have a girlfriend. I still don't know how this disscusion about genetics escalated to talks about linguistics. Like i said, if you want to believe in all the crap you have been spoon fed, than go ahead.

Good night.

[25tajik75pashtun]

I don't hate anybody, i just hate ignorant people who have no idea what they are talking about. You talk about religion when in Islam it is wrong to have a girlfriend. I still don't know how this disscusion about genetics escalated to talks about linguistics. Like i said, if you want to believe in all the crap you have been spoon fed, than go ahead.

Good night.

Good thing I don't prescribe to abrahamic doctrine. What you said just now applies to you double. You're right man, go on and keep making fools out of us by saying all of afghanistan spoke pashto.

[Kushan Prince]

Good thing I don't prescribe to abrahamic doctrine. What you said just now applies to you double. You're right man, go on and keep making fools out of us by saying all of afghanistan spoke pashto.

Even more foolsih by saying new persian came from afghanistan LOL.

And i thought you were LEAVING?

[25tajik75pashtun]

Even more foolsih by saying new persian came from afghanistan LOL.

And i thought you were LEAVING?

That's literally what the wikipedia and the source says, new persian was formed in the khorasan area

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language#New_Persian

that's even what the iranica source says for the development of new persian
your poor knowledge is as bad as this

http://www.reddit.com/r/iran/comments/2jrkia/tajiks/

[Kushan Prince]

That's literally what the wikipedia and the source says, new persian was formed in the khorasan area

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language#New_Persian

that's even what the iranica source says for the development of new persian
your poor knowledge is as bad as this
http://www.reddit.com/r/iran/comments/2jrkia/tajiks/

Which you edited LOL. This is the 10 time you said you were going to leave but you are still here.

[25tajik75pashtun]

Which you edited LOL. This is the 10 time you said you were going to leave but you are still here.

sure buddy, cya, have fun in life being a shut in

[Afghanfootball]

Well according to this it says that Pashto takes its roots from Arek which they call the original Aryan language and is the link between Avesta and Sanskrit. It also states that that it was called paktas in the rigveda and has a direct link to Bactria. According to many Historians its a direct descendant of Avesta. Also I thought that Avestan was created in Afghanistan since Zoroastrianism was created in Balkh.

[Afghanfootball]

I also gotta agree with 25tajik75pashtun when he says pashtuns are genetically closer to Afghan Tajiks since like you kushan prince said most of them are persianized pashtuns and because you can tell that many (not all) Pashtuns on the other side of the durrand line seem to have more indic features. But there are many Pashtuns that are exactly the same as us aswell.

[Afghanfootball]

well here I was hoping I'd get a fruitful discussion but if this is what you believe then i'm out, what you said about turks/assyrians/kurds yada yada applies but not in the context or manner you're assuming or implying
pashtuns and tajiks cluster together simply on the basis that their ancestors were more or less very related iranic groups, namely the bactrians (for tajiks), arachosians (for pashtuns) and a few other minor ones - there's a common descent of sorts going on which explains the similarity in genetics especially when compared to neighboring ethnic/ethno-linguistic groups in the area.

The ancient history of pashtuns hasnt really been researched. There are many groups said to be ancestors of Pashtuns for example Bactrians, Kambojas and Ghandharians so we cant say for sure that Arachosians are the ancestors of modern day pashtuns. However all these people could have been assimilated into Pashtun culture and could be the ancestors of different pashtun.

[Arachosia]

http://vaedhya.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/showcasing-of-y-dna-variation-among.html

"In this study we have analyzed, for the first time, the four major ethnic groups in present-day Afghanistan: Hazara, Pashtun, Tajik, and Uzbek, using 52 binary markers and 19 short tandem repeats on the non-recombinant segment of the Y-chromosome."

What we can deduce from the data:

1) Of all the major ethnic groups in Afghanistan, the Tajiks are the closest genetically to Pasthuns.
R1a frequency in Pashtuns: 51%
R1a frequency in Tajiks: 30.4%

2) Of all the major ethnic groups, Pashtuns are the least mixed with other ethnic groups (as you can see from the diagram, Pashtuns have the least haplogroup diversity).

3) The high R1a presence in Pashtuns suggests that despite differentiating each other into tribes, their differences seem to be solely cultural rather than genetic, and regardless of tribe assosiation they share a common, fairly recent ancestor.

4) The Tajiks have mixed the most with other ethnic groups, compare to Pashtuns and Hazaras (as you can see in the diagram, Tajiks have the highest haplogroup diversity)

from the article: "The Tajik population is more paternally diverse than all others sampled. Explanations include a less endogamous cultural character or the more recent imposition of the "Tajik" identity, which arrived with the medieval Turks."

5) The frequency of C3-M217 in Hazaras is 33.9%. C3-M217 has invariably been associated with the expansion of Altaic-/Mongolic steppe populations since medieval times. This supports the belief that Hazaras are descendants from the Mongols, whether they arrived during Ghenghis Khan's conquest or earlier can not be concluded yet.

I recommend going to the actual website, you can hover your pointer over the haplogroups and see the percentages.

[marwat]

I also gotta agree with 25tajik75pashtun when he says pashtuns are genetically closer to Afghan Tajiks since like you kushan prince said most of them are persianized pashtuns and because you can tell that many (not all) Pashtuns on the other side of the durrand line seem to have more indic features. But there are many Pashtuns that are exactly the same as us aswell.

since when was the last time you went to pakistan? are you talking about those pashtun living in Multan or Abbottbad and mansehra ?

[Kushan Prince]

http://vaedhya.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0...ion-among.html



"In this study we have analyzed, for the first time, the four major ethnic groups in present-day Afghanistan: Hazara, Pashtun, Tajik, and Uzbek, using 52 binary markers and 19 short tandem repeats on the non-recombinant segment of the Y-chromosome."

What we can deduce from the data:

1) Of all the major ethnic groups in Afghanistan, the Tajiks are the closest genetically to Pasthuns.
R1a frequency in Pashtuns: 51%
R1a frequency in Tajiks: 30.4%

2) Of all the major ethnic groups, Pashtuns are the least mixed with other ethnic groups (as you can see from the diagram, Pashtuns have the least haplogroup diversity).

3) The high R1a presence in Pashtuns suggests that despite differentiating each other into tribes, their differences seem to be solely cultural rather than genetic, and regardless of tribe assosiation they share a common, fairly recent ancestor.

4) The Tajiks have mixed the most with other ethnic groups, compare to Pashtuns and Hazaras (as you can see in the diagram, Tajiks have the highest haplogroup diversity)

from the article: "The Tajik population is more paternally diverse than all others sampled. Explanations include a less endogamous cultural character or the more recent imposition of the "Tajik" identity, which arrived with the medieval Turks."

5) The frequency of C3-M217 in Hazaras is 33.9%. C3-M217 has invariably been associated with the expansion of Altaic-/Mongolic steppe populations since medieval times. This supports the belief that Hazaras are descendants from the Mongols, whether they arrived during Ghenghis Khan's conquest or earlier can not be concluded yet.

I recommend going to the actual website, you can hover your pointer over the haplogroups and see the percentages.

Wow thats interesting. Looking at this chart tells me that Pashtuns are the most homogenous group while tajiks are the most diverse. tajiks are mixed, but rather many different ethnic groups have fallen under the tajik identity and adopted farsi as a first language, that would also agree with what i have been saying this whole time about them. Tajiks seem to be more related to Pashtuns because they are both eastern iranic groups. I also read somewhere that Pashtuns were actually 77% R1a which would mean thats the highest percentage in the world.

And hazaras are obviously mongols. Thanks for sharing!

[Afghanfootball]

since when was the last time you went to pakistan? are you talking about those pashtun living in Multan or Abbottbad and mansehra ?

I'm talking about the Pakistani Pashtuns in big cities like Peshawar.

[Kushan Saka]

http://vaedhya.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0...ion-among.html



"In this study we have analyzed, for the first time, the four major ethnic groups in present-day Afghanistan: Hazara, Pashtun, Tajik, and Uzbek, using 52 binary markers and 19 short tandem repeats on the non-recombinant segment of the Y-chromosome."

What we can deduce from the data:

1) Of all the major ethnic groups in Afghanistan, the Tajiks are the closest genetically to Pasthuns.
R1a frequency in Pashtuns: 51%
R1a frequency in Tajiks: 30.4%

2) Of all the major ethnic groups, Pashtuns are the least mixed with other ethnic groups (as you can see from the diagram, Pashtuns have the least haplogroup diversity).

3) The high R1a presence in Pashtuns suggests that despite differentiating each other into tribes, their differences seem to be solely cultural rather than genetic, and regardless of tribe assosiation they share a common, fairly recent ancestor.

4) The Tajiks have mixed the most with other ethnic groups, compare to Pashtuns and Hazaras (as you can see in the diagram, Tajiks have the highest haplogroup diversity)

from the article: "The Tajik population is more paternally diverse than all others sampled. Explanations include a less endogamous cultural character or the more recent imposition of the "Tajik" identity, which arrived with the medieval Turks."

5) The frequency of C3-M217 in Hazaras is 33.9%. C3-M217 has invariably been associated with the expansion of Altaic-/Mongolic steppe populations since medieval times. This supports the belief that Hazaras are descendants from the Mongols, whether they arrived during Ghenghis Khan's conquest or earlier can not be concluded yet.

I recommend going to the actual website, you can hover your pointer over the haplogroups and see the percentages.

very interesting, pashtuns seem to be quite homogenous unlike Tajiks who are a mix of many people who were persianized in the past. Pashtuns of pakistan are genetically almost identical to afghan pashtuns and have the same kind of haplogroups.

Tajiks are genetically very diverse people and some samples (duschanbe) had even lower percentages of r1a and were dominated by J which is typical for persians and arabs. But other less mixed Tajiks had more r1a and were closer to pashtuns. But on average Tajiks are not so close to afghan pashtuns like pashtuns in pakistan

[pashtanajan]

I know a Panjsheri Tajik who often clusters with a Pashtun from Kunar, Afghanistan. I think some Tajiks from areas like Panjshir or Parwan etc. cluster more with Afghan Pashtuns than other Tajiks. Admixture results from Pashtuns from the Kurram Valley in Pakistan show that they are more South Asian shifted than Afghan Pashtuns who are more West Asian shifted and closer in admixture to many Afghan Tajiks.